Morning Walk – November 10, 1972, Vṛndāvana

721110MW-VRNDAVAN [23:07 Minutes]

Actually sannyasis are topmost leaders they should see that they are chanting 16 rounds

Guru dasa: Prabhupada on a morning walk, 10th of November.

Devotee: [indistinct] in life.

Acyutananda: What?

Guru dasa: He said he was very bad.

Acyutananda: I saw him also. I can see no justification for such cruelty. I do not care to see my two Godbrothers who committed such a crime. I feel that I will not be able to control my anger with them. I feel that they should be asked to leave the society. Whatever your divine grace decides in this matter I accept. [break]

Guru dasa: After the incident with Gopal Gosvami.

Acyutananda: Subal and Raghavacarya [break] he said [break] he was awake and he had a blanket over his head. Subal. And Subal told him to get up. He stayed up there and was chanting japa. Then Subal threw a bucket of water on him and he just stayed there doing japa. Then he went inside to get some more water and then he [indistinct].

Prabhupada: That is not [indistinct] required but he was beaten severe.

Acyutananda: I can't imagine [indistinct] threatened him with a knife or something. He could provoke that but I heard [indistinct] going to hit him with a bucket. Gopal was [indistinct] with a bucket.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Acyutananda: And throw him out if he hit him but this is severe.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Acyutananda: This is atrocious.

Srutakirti: That evening he felt justified in what he did.

Acyutananda: Hm?

Srutakirti: He said he felt justified in doing it. And then he mentioned your lecture the other night saying that in the Vedic society if someone was attacked like that then he would be killed. [break] he was using this as a ground and he felt justified in attacking him like that. Helping his Godbrother.

Acyutananda: Yes very warped. [break]

Prabhupada: …fight amongst ourselves? Fight with the enemy but not with the Godbrothers. [indistinct] [break]

Srutakirti: He doesn't consider him to be a Godbrother but an enemy. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: He has taken the beating part of beating. No?

Devotee: [break] [indistinct] [break]

Prabhupada: Serious [break] Gosai he is also paralysed.

Acyutananda: Yes [break]

Prabhupada: Eh? That means he has left the hospital?

Acyutananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: Where is [indistinct] He has left the hospital. But where is his [indistinct]

Acyutananda: Well [break]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] very serious how he has left hospital? The police came to enquire about him, that means hospital let him go.

Acyutananda: Yeah.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] knife to the police.

Acyutananda: Yes everything if he is reporting all these things to the police [indistinct].

Prabhupada: [break] [indistinct] he has left the hospital…

Acyutananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: …by the evening. [break]

Acyutananda: Unusual why he would [indistinct] he said something about the 21 [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Ah.

Acyutananda: That didn't, it got translated I think in Hindi.

Devotee: He attacks them with his words, calls them all caste Gosvamis and Mayavadis so he didn't bother.

Acyutananda: [indistinct] interesting?

Devotee: I have no idea. [indistinct]

[indistinct back ground talking] [break]

Guru dasa: There's many students they don't know how to extract intelligently what to say. For instance the day before this incident I said to Visnujana, you are speaking about becoming like fire. If the guru vaisnavas[?] in any way attack, so that was the grounds.

Similarly when Sudama Vipra came back from…, when Maharaja came back from Aligarh you didn't discourage him. So they thought that perhaps they could always attack as a general rule. So [break] Godbrothers have said Srila Prabhupada sometimes appears angry? So I said so he also sometimes appears compassionate, why do you forget that nature? [break]

Prabhupada: These fools they do not understand. [break] …by the Vaisnavas that's a fact but one must know how to attack and when to attack. I also attack against the Mayavadis. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also attacked, my Guru Maharaja also attacked. So attack must be done very intelligently. Don't go to [indistinct].

Guru dasa: Mahaprabhu listened for seven days? [break] then He knew how to attack.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …that many Indians also joined with you and combinedly the preaching will go on. But somehow or other it is experienced that Indians will not [indistinct]. [break] …join with you or circumstances will not allow them to join. In India if you try to preach without Indian cooperation it will not support. Because they will always criticize that these people have come to teach us and they will never perform. This is the position.

And the present circumstances [indistinct] that you cannot join [indistinct]. That Radha-ramana Gosvami[indistinct] that [indistinct] left and so on. [break] [indistinct] to join [indistinct] so abominable so nobody will join. On the platform of Krsna consciousness everyone will some join and work. That is a little difficult. The temple here if no Indians join then they will go away [indistinct] gradually Indians will be preachers. Unless you very carefully and intelligently they will be elevated. [break] the Indians and the Americans keep themselves in the bodily concept of life. [indistinct] means [indistinct] [break]

Devotee: [indistinct] [break]

Prabhupada: Eh? [indistinct] They're lack[?]. They're lack[?] bluffing means 8% interest [indistinct] more banking business. That means 80,000 per year, or 7,000 nearly 10,000 per month. If we draw, suppose we 10,000 lakhs…10 lakhs.

Acyutananda: 10 lakhs.

Prabhupada: That means we are losing 7,000 per month. If you transaction 7,000 per month is that [indistinct]? Why should we draw so much? If we draw big amount there will be income.

Syamasundara: In Vrndavana we have no preaching scope [indistinct].

Prabhupada: No. No we wanted to receive some foreign guests so that they could see and our Krsna consciousness movement to have no branch in Vrndavana that does not look very good. Krsna's place…

Syamasundara: [indistinct] one reason that is the foreign tourists. They have a regular programme of foreign tourists coming. That hasn't happened yet.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Syamasundara: That has not yet happened.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Syamasundara: But in future it could happen and they would be five years ahead of our [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]. Here the government is... [indistinct] people do not like [indistinct] Because you are there with Caitya Guru not very able but he stands for [indistinct]

[break] that is the problem. [indistinct] but you do not like. Always [indistinct]. So we must finish it that another attempt for Bharatpur I don't think we can manage

[break] will be available so you should not mind but that is not also possible because Maharaja is bargaining [indistinct] so why should we take care [indistinct]

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: We will come there someday.

Syamasundara: Eh?

Acyutananda: Someday.

Prabhupada: Someday [laughs] [indistinct] utopian, someday. That Maharaja is more intelligent than you could have understand.

Acyutananda: Yeah. [break]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] [break].

[in room]

Panca-draviḍa: Lot of Germans. Or at least a percentage of Germans 40, 50%. But here we have centres that are already having 15 or 20 Western people. So the image is there are already if they are a Western organisation. So even in Europe we tend to attract more Americans than European people. Like in Germany we will attract more Americans than we will Germans, initially. But after a while the Germans come but usually the best success as far as attracting people seems to be when there is only two or three people left in the whole city. But when you have a large number of Americans [break]

Syamasundara: I have noticed the most we've been traveling around the world, that in India the spiritual standard of the devotees is lower than in America part of the reason has been that the sannyasis who are supposed to be leaders of devotees have misunderstood that what their real duty is in India, in America we told them that the sannyasis duty is to maintain the highest spiritual standards among the devotees. They should always see to the devotees spiritual well-being and welfare. And here it seems to be the tendency that the sannyasis remain separate or aloof from the devotees.

You summed it up in four words to Satsvarūpa when you said, "just do as I am doing." Now that means administrating managing going to the bank, counting money, keeping accounts. Doing all the practical work as well but here for instance in a test case this Kesi Ghat temple. There was practically chaos there day and night there was no spiritual standards at all and the sannyasis seemed to remain aloof. They didn't enter into the actual managing or administrating of the temple or organising it and as a result there was chaos throughout the town we made such a bad image.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Devotee: [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Because we have no spiritual standards.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Syamasundara: No. I know I observed saw there was no standard or organisation. Not as we have in other places [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Anyway, [indistinct] to say. Sannyasis should be leader.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Syamasundara: That's a fact.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Panca-draviḍa: In other parts of the world the sannyasis may be accepted as leaders before... The other devotees there are new and they look to the sannyasis for guidance because they are the senior most members in that particular area who are not often enough present there so they have no one else to look to. [break]

Prabhupada: Yes sannyasis should take leadership and see that everything is nicely going on. That will be wanted. Actually sannyasis are topmost leaders they should see that they are chanting 16 rounds, rising early in the morning and they should also rise early, behave like that and if there is any discrepancy it should not be ended by fighting. If there is any discrepancy there should be very peaceful settlement. Not that because this man [indistinct] pain, let us fight. [indistinct] beating justified. Somebody has told me the beating was justified. [indistinct].

Panca-draviḍa: He beat that boy because that boy was physically attacking me to hurt me. If he did not stop him I would have been seriously hurt Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: No, that's all right, [indistinct] So why you are misunderstanding this now. [indistinct] That check, not that because he is coming I shall not kick, then where is my direction? I'm going to check that, not that I'll also become demon-like. First have to stop…Stop the fighting between them when there was no ways to stop the fighting then war was declared. [break]

This has gone to the police we should not… we should be very careful. But Caitanya [break] sannyasira alpa chidra bahu kori mane, if a sannyasi commits something wrong it is magnified. If ordinary man does it nobody cares for it. But a sannyasi, Vaisnava sannyasi a preacher if he commits something even if it is not wrong it will be magnified, alpa chidra bahu kori mane.

Therefore especially a sannyasi because a sannyasi is supposed to be the guru, the teacher of everyone. Even of the brahmanas. How much qualified they should be? Super-most post in the human society according to Vedic principle. Any sannyasi you should immediately offer obeisances, if he does not do so then he has to starve one day, fast that is the penance. He has not offered, you've seen? No [indistinct] will offer respects to a sannyasi. That is Vedic culture. They should see everywhere that things are going on nicely. [end]