Morning Walk – May 8, 1974, Bombay
|
740508MW.BOM
Morning Walk
- May 8, 1974, Bombay 740508MW-BOMBAY [14:45 Minutes]
Dr. Patel: No, no, but even fallen, Vaisnavas, Sahkhya...
Prabhupada: Sahkhya is required, but the cause of Sahkhya must be understood, cause of all causes. Sahkhya philosophy is our philosophy, Vaisnava, because it was enunciated by Kapiladeva. Later on, the atheist Sahkhya, they wiped out God. [break] Na brahma na isaḥ. These are the Vedic mantras. [break] Koti-brahmanḍa-vigraha. Koti-brahmanḍa-vigraha. Innumerable universes are there in the body of Krsna. [break]
Dr. Patel: Now they are not. Assuming... The government is telling lies, that some people have come to work, and they have not, not have work. [break]
Prabhupada: ...bindu sama, suta mita ramani samaje, sohe visere mana, tahe samarpala, abrahma yuga haba kono kaje. [Srila Vidyapati] This is Vidyapati's song, that "We are seeking water in the desert," tatala saikata. Saikata means the sandy beach, and very hot. So then water is required. But we get little water. What is that? Suta mita ramani samaje. In the society, friendship and love, we are seeking that happiness, and it is exactly like seeking water in the desert. Although there is little happiness, but what is the comparison? Vari bindu sama. I want water, but it is a drop of water.
Dr. Patel: Vari bindu.
Prabhupada: Vari bindu. [aside:] Hare Krsna. So when there is requisition of water like seas and ocean, what this one drop will do? He admits there is little happiness, but this happiness is nothing that we want in comparison.
[aside:] Hare Krsna.
tatala saikate bari-bindu-sama
suta-mita-ramanḍi-samaje tohe visari mana, tahe samarpala ab majhu habo kon kaje madhava! hama parinam nirasa
[Tatala Saikate] "Therefore, my Lord Krsna, I see my future is hopeless, and therefore I surrender unto You. There is no other way." Madhava! hama parinam nirasa tuhun jaga-tarandina doya moy ataye tohari visoyasa, that "I have no other hope. Simply hope You are." Hare Krsna. [break] ...is better, the breathing air. That side is...
Indian man (1): Now the wind is changing, this side.
Prabhupada: This side is pūrva.
Indian man (1): No, this is east. This is north.
Prabhupada: Oh, north. So here, this is pūrva...
Indian man (1): The rains will come from southwest.
Prabhupada: Southwest, oh, yes.
Dr. Patel: It has not changed as yet. Still...
[indistinct comments by Indians about weather] [break]
Prabhupada: ...even the sun, what to speak of other things, even the sun, the central point of this universe. Yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakraḥ [Bs 5.52]. It is also rotating in the orbit by order of Govinda. Govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami.
[aside:] Hare Krsna.
[break] ...nama utila pi-asa nire[?]. Now, if you live on the ocean and if you are thirsty, you cannot drink a drop. You will have to die. Nira kari vasa[?]. Although the same water we are drinking. Is it not, Doctor?
Indian man (1): Yes. "Water, water everywhere, not a drop to drink."
Prabhupada: Yes. The same water drinking, but when it is purified by the arrangement of Krsna... You cannot drink. And still, you are scientist. [Hindi]
Dr. Patel: One boy from engineers' school of technology here in Bombay has found out a method of...
Prabhupada: That is another nonsense. He will turn one cup of seawater into sweet water, and it will cost some hundreds of rupees.
Dr. Patel: That is right, but these fellows, they have found some natural way.
Prabhupada: Well.
Dr. Patel: He is passing it through this banana leaf, some very rational method.
Prabhupada: Banana leaf. So that also required by God's mercy.
Dr. Patel: That's right. Nobody says that he does himself. If he says, he's a fool. But what I mean to say is from that way... And the government of Ceylon has [indistinct] this methods. There was a big row about it. This boy approached the Bombay Municipal Corporation for getting it done here [indistinct] they say... [break]
Prabhupada: ...scientist.
Dr. Patel: Scientist, that you say. Einstein never claimed that he is... Einstein was a great bhakta. Einstein is the grandfather...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: ...of the modern science. He never claimed that anything can be done by man. Einstein has always said it is God who does it. Still you say that "Scientists are atheists. Fight them"?
Prabhupada: No, no.
Dr. Patel: I don't think that is right statement.
Prabhupada: No, no, there are many scientists like..., but generally they think in their way. Just like modern scientists, they are trying to prove from chemicals, life.
Indian man (2): Jagadish Chandra Bose, he was a great scientist. [Hindi] He can answer how many wise. He can answer.
Dr. Patel: There is no question of... He cannot make even a grain of sand. Scientists, if they say that they are making, that is wrong. They are finding out what is already admitted.
Prabhupada: No. Some of them say, "Now there is no need of God. Science is everything." Even Dr. Radhakrishnan was saying in a meeting.
Dr. Patel: No, what is science?
Prabhupada: Science means...
Dr. Patel: Science means knowledge. And knowledge is there. Knowledge means God.
Prabhupada: Practical...
Dr. Patel: But we are trying to honor the knowledge which we have not now known.
Prabhupada: That knowledge is described in the Bhagavad-gita: vasudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ [Bg 7.19]. When one understands, "Oh, here is the original source of everything," vasudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ, that is greatest scientist. And how this knowledge comes? Bahūnam janmanam ante [Bg 7.19]. They are struggling for the ultimate knowledge. So struggling many, many births after births, when, by the grace of Krsna he comes to the real knowledge, then he admits, vasudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ.
Indian man (3): [Hindi conversation about science] [break]
Prabhupada: ...and police is controlling by beating them. Now they will go to the office, and again they will come in that way. And coming home for two chapatis. You see? That's all.
Dr. Patel: They reach their office at two o'clock.
Prabhupada: Just see. And again...
[Hindi conversation]
Dr. Patel: Modern civilization is the civilization of the indriyas. We want a civilization...
Prabhupada: No, no, indriyas... Material civilization means indriyas, but it should be so organized. That is the Vedic principle, that you enjoy your indriyas in a systematic way so that you may not fall again, another difficulty. That is the Vedic way.
Dr. Patel: The whole background of that modern civilization is indriyas.
Prabhupada: Yajnarthe karmano 'nyatra loko 'yam karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg 3.9]. That civilization is yajnarthe karma. You work, but for yajna. Yajna-sistasinaḥ santo mucyante sarva-kilbisaiḥ. [Hindi] ...modern science... [Hindi] This is mistake.
Indian man (4): This is not the ultimate solution.
Prabhupada: No, that is not.
Dr. Patel: Ultimate solution, nobody knows.
Prabhupada: Na te viduḥ svartha-gatim hi visnum durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninaḥ [SB 7.5.31]. They are captivated by the external energy. They think by material advancement they will make solution of all problems. That is not possible. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanas te 'pisa-tantryam uru-damni baddhaḥ. He does not know that he is bound up, hands and legs, by the laws of nature, and he is trying to solve it by his own method of material civilization. That is the mistake. Prakrteḥ kriyamanani gunaiḥ karmani sarvasaḥ, ahahkara-vimūḍhatma [Bg 3.27]. They are all vimūḍhas, mūḍhas, duskrtina, mūḍha.
[japa] [Hindi]
[break] He asked me, "What is the conception of hell?" I said, "It is your London. By artificial way you have kept it as heaven. But otherwise, it is hell." So this was published.
Dr. Patel: Bombay also is hell. Bombay, nobody inhabited this island till the Britishers came, and they created this spot. The importance of Bombay backward... Otherwise so far hell is concerned, they are both place. Best is Bangalore in India. Best. [break]
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [end]
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/walk/morning-walk-may-8-1974-bombay
|