Morning Walk – May 6, 1974, Bombay

Prabhupada: ...speak in all language, even in the animal, birds' language. Babhudaka.

Dr. Patel: Kesi-nisūdana.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Dr. Patel: Kesi.

Prabhupada: Kesi-nisūdana.

Yadubara: [continuing the reading] "Kesi rushed toward with Lord with great..." [break]

Prabhupada: ...control his mouth.

Dr. Patel: ...are doing this because practically amongst all the, I mean, animals, lower and higher. There are demons who are against. Even horse, even birds, even snake. Eh?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Yadubara: "As soon as Kesi reached Him..." [break]

Prabhupada: ...was not so cheap. He had to pay proper price.

Dr. Patel: In Europe also they were eloping away with these girls. That young eloping [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Europeans, they are also coming from ksatriya family.

Yadubara: "I shall also see how You..." [break] "...Your internal potency You have set up the influence of maya." Is that is part of the internal potency?

Prabhupada: Hmm? Yes. What is your question?

Yadubara: Well, I thought it was the external potency.

Prabhupada: For Him there is no external, internal. For Krsna there is no external, internal. You cannot understand this. Krsna is absolute. For me there is external, internal, but for Krsna there is no external, internal because His energy... The external energy is also His energy, and internal His energy. Therefore He's everything. [aside:] Hare Krsna. Jaya. [Hindi] For electrician there is no difference between refrigerator and heater. He knows how to adjust it. For me, this is heater; this is refrigerator. Like that.

Yadubara: "You have taken Your birth in the Yadu dynasty..." [break]

Prabhupada: ...Krsna says, atma-mayaya. Atma-mayaya, His own energy. So the material energy and the spiritual, both of them are His energy. So even if He appears in a material body, it does not act as material body; it act as spiritual body. Just like same example: the expert electrician, he can turn the refrigerator into heater. Is it not? That is the it. Hare Krsna. For Him there is nothing, no distinction, because He is absolute. Similarly, to take the side of the devotee and to kill the enemy of Krsna, they are all the same.

Brahmananda: To take the side of the devotee?

Prabhupada: Or to kill the demon, that is His mercy. Both of them. It is not that materially, as we think, "Oh, Krsna is taking side of this man and killing this man." No. Still, He is neutral, absolute.

Brahmananda: The sahajiyas, they don't know that.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Brahmananda: Sahajiyas, they just go towards like the rasa-lila, and they avoid the demon-killing.

Prabhupada: Who?

Brahmananda: The sahajiyas.

Prabhupada: Oh, they are rascals. Kick them out. They think everything is easy.

Dr. Patel: What is sahajiya?

Prabhupada: Sahajiya... Sahaj means easy. Easy-going. They will smoke cigarette, at the same time they will play rasa-lila. This is sahajiya. This is sahajiya. They will do all nonsense; still, they will become God, imitation of God.

Yadubara: "Narada Muni wanted to impress upon people in general that Krsna is fully independent. His activities such as His appearance..." [break]

Prabhupada: He played also. Chor chor kela. We used to say chor chor kela: "Catch up the feet." [Hindi with Dr. Patel] [break] ...and wonderful things, as they are mentioned, they were all manufactured by the demons.

Dr. Patel: Maya.

Prabhupada: No, no, these wonderful scientific advancement, they were done by the demons. So they are demons. These so-called scientist, they're all demons.

Dr. Patel: That way. Palace of Panḍavas were constructed by maya. This maya..

Prabhupada: Yes.

Dr. Patel: So they were all engineers.

Prabhupada: No, no, engineer... Engineer are also demons, but he is no longer demon. Now doctors are demon. [laughter] Hare Krsna. [break] ...land only for this beach.

Dr. Patel: But you are going away.

Prabhupada: No, I am... [Dr. Patel laughs] I am here. [break] Very soon. [break] Living entities are there in the sand. How do they say there is no life in the moon? I cannot understand. What they are eating within the sand?

Dr. Patel: Not that, but our definition of life is, I mean, not really complete. It is not complete. We mean... Life means anything which, I mean, which breathes, which beats. That is all humbug. Everything is life, to tell the truth.

Prabhupada: No, even distinction, life and matter, here is sand. How these animals are living within the sand? And not only that. Now it is... Because it is wet, they are living. When it is very scorchy hot, then also living.

Dr. Patel: That is maya. This is all maya.

Prabhupada: Living entity can exist in any condition. In the sun globe there is life. Hmm. Go on. [break]

Dr. Patel: Life is caitanya.

Prabhupada: Yes, caitanya. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg 2.20].

Dr. Patel: Without caitanya nothing can exist.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.

Dr. Patel: I think even in an atom there is caitanya.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Anḍantara-stha paramanu-cayantara-stham [Bs 5.35]. There is. [japa] Go on.

Yadubara: "I can be sure this opportunity..." [break]

Prabhupada: It is His energy, so therefore Krsna cannot be under the influence of material energy. [break] Just like, what is called, shade and light. They are the same thing, but shade means the other side of light, absence of light. But light can be there at any time. It is not that because it is shade, there cannot be any light. And this light of Krsna consciousness is eradicating the darkness of the shady material world.

Yadubara: "Similarly, Krsna, the original..." [break]

Prabhupada: ...taking so much care of the body. Why? Because there is consciousness. Therefore consciousness is important thing, not this body. [break] ...that "Kamsa, this rascal, is sending me to Krsna. I'll be able to see Him." That's all. His business was to see Krsna.

Dr. Patel: He was a diplomat.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...between demons and gods. So god abides by the order of the Supreme Lord; the demons do not. That's all. They do, indirectly, by force. Just like the demon has to die.

Dr. Patel: Both were the sons of Kasyapa.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Kasyapa, gods and demons. By their behavior one sect became demons, no?

Prabhupada: Eh? Yes. Vyavaharena jayante. Canakya Panḍita has said, na kascid kasyacid mitro na kascid kasyacid ripuḥ, vyavaharena jayante: "Who is friend and who is enemy, it can be understood by the behavior." Vyavaharena jayante mitrani ripavas tatha.

Dr. Patel: Mitrani ripavas tatha. By their... When there is coming action, then you find out who is friend and who is enemy.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] This is very nice [indistinct].

Dr. Patel: Now all that society, any decent society.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Dr. Patel: That Mr. Nair...

Prabhupada: Mr. Nair also, in Calcutta, many times. [japa] [break]

Dr. Patel: Irish or English?

Prabhupada: No, Irish. He established the Home Rule, Home Rule Party, in India.

Dr. Patel: And he fell off from Gandhiji's movement.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Go on. [break] ...raga of love. When one goes to see his beloved and thinks so many things, "I'll do this, I'll do this, I'll do this," that is pūrva-raga. [aside:] Hare Krsna. Jaya. [break] ...gopis as krūra, not akrūra.

Dr. Patel: Yes, because he was taking away Krsna and Balarama from there. [break]

Prabhupada: ...manusyesu kascin me priya-krttamaḥ [Bg 18.69]. Krsna recognizes immediately who preaches the gospel of Bhagavad-gita. Yes.

Dr. Patel: Shall we go back? They are all [indistinct] there. [break]

Prabhupada: [Hindi conversation]

[japa] [break] ...uncle, His father's cousin.

Dr. Patel: Uddhava was His cousin.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...kabe suddha ha'be mana, kabe hama herabo, sri vrndavana [Narottama dasa Thakura].

Dr. Patel: This is Bengali. Bengali.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Yadubara: " 'When my mind will be purified after leaving the...' " [break]

Prabhupada: ...Vaisnava kavi has sung,

Unless you are free from the material desires, you cannot enjoy what is the celestial or spiritual bliss in chanting the Hare Krsna mantra. If one has got material desires, he cannot enjoy.

[break] ...can see here United Nation actually. Here is Britisher, here is American, here is African, here is Indian, here is Hindu, Canadian, Hindu, Muslim, Christian-all. This is United Nation. Just let them see practically what is United Nation. Brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sūdra-all combined in Krsna consciousness. Why do they not see? The so-called unity, brotherhood, why do they not see the reality?

Dr. Patel: United Nations were created...

Prabhupada: No, no, not only United Nation; united in everything, "universal brotherhood," whatever you call-here is the example.

Dr. Patel: So-called United Nations were created not for unity.

Prabhupada: No, no, either so-called United Nation or so-called nation. Here is also there is nation. What do they know about nation? Everyone, he is interested with his own pocket, that's all. "What money is coming in my pocket." That's all. Where is the nationality? If there was nationality, why such havoc could have happened? Now the strike is going on. There is no feeling of nationality because they are not thinking of the nation; they are thinking of their own pocket, that's all. Where is the nationality? They are simply bogus slogans. Actual unity, nationality, universality, is in Krsna consciousness. It is a fact. Let them see. Men, women also. There are women also. We do not hate anyone. "Come on. Take to Krsna consciousness."

Here is the unity for everyone, under the shelter of the lotus feet of Krsna.

Dr. Patel: This M. N. Raya, you know, who advocated that humanism, for which he was banished by the Communist fellows, because the root of M. N. Raya was in Hinduism, after all. It is very difficult for us to think about so-called Communism. But religion itself is communistic.

Prabhupada: No, no. We, we don't think in terms of Hinduism. We don't think.

Dr. Patel: No. But we have been actually brought up religiously as communists, religious communists.

Prabhupada: Spiritual communists. Religious, religious upon strict sense of religion. Religion means spiritualism.

Dr. Patel: Yes, spiritual communism.

Prabhupada: Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means to abide by the orders of Krsna. That is religion. Other things are cheating. If they have no sense of God, they do not know what is God, how to abide by the orders of God, that is not religion. Therefore Bhagavata says, dharmaḥ-projjhita kaitavo atra [SB 1.1.2]: "All cheating types of religion system is rejected, kicked out from this Bhagavata." They're all cheating. "I am God," "You are God," "I am everything," "You are..." This is not religion. It is all humbug religion. Go on.

[break] ...has written about Krsna by Vyasadeva, and people say, "There was no Krsna. Krsna, it is all fictitious." Vyasadeva had to take so much trouble for some fictitious. Just see their intelligence. Even no common sense. Why Sukadeva Gosvami will take interest? Why Vyasadeva will write such book? Therefore they do not recognize that Bhagavata is written by Vyasadeva. But how they can deny? Bhagavad-gita, that is also written by Vyasadeva.

Yasomatinandana: So-called scholars like Radhakrishnan says, "It is..., Vyasadeva, is some imaginary character."

Prabhupada: Yes, just see.

Dr. Patel: Why they say even Vyasadeva is imaginary?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Dr. Patel: They say, some of them, there was not one Vyasadeva, but multiple Vyasas, and all sorts of things.

Prabhupada: So which Vyasa you accept? There may be multiple, but which Vyasa? That means if someone... I do not know if there were multiple Vyasadeva.

Dr. Patel: Vyasa is the surname.

Prabhupada: No, Vyasa, Vyasadeva... The guru is called Vyasa. That is one of... But the original Vyasa is one. Just like we. We worship the birthday of guru as Vyasa-pūja day, because guru is representative of Vyasa.

[break] ...eating, if this tambūla is offered and sandal pulp, it becomes a garland. It becomes very comfortable. Yes.

Yadubara: "When Akrūra finished eating..." [break]

Prabhupada: The guest may be comfortable. Sukham asinam [SB 11.2.3]. He is seated very nicely, comfortably, then talk. This is the system, receiving guests and talking. [break] "Beware of dog." "Beware of dog. I am living with dog. Don't come here." He poses that "I am friend of... Dog is my best friend, so don't come here." Yes. His overfaithfulness has obliged him to take the body of a dog.

Yadubara: "The Vedic system of receiving a guest was completely observed by Lord Krsna Himself to teach all others how..." [break]

Prabhupada: Even if you receive at home your enemy, you shall treat him in such a way that he is not afraid. Akuto 'bhayam. That "I have come to the house of enemy and he can do me harm at any time," no. He should be received in such a way that he will be completely free from these thoughts that "I am his enemy."

Dr. Patel: These Arabs were well known about receiving these guests like that, but they have learned from India.

Prabhupada: Yes, they were all Indians. All this land... Now just like they have become Pakistan. They were Indians, Hindu. Because we degraded in our culture, the divisions, the so many divisions... Otherwise whole world are under Vedic culture. As soon as the brahmanas and the..., or ksatriyas, they degenerated, the whole society disrupted.

Dr. Patel: Now the brahmana is trying to regenerate.

Prabhupada: Now he is above brahmana. Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhūyaya kalpate [Bg 14.26]. He is brahma-bhūtaḥ, not brahmana.

Anyone who is in the devotional service, he is already brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannatma.

[aside:] Hare Krsna.

[break] ...Bengali proverb, tomar je balo asa, mussulmaner mūrgi pasa, [laughter] that "You love me just like the Muhammadan loves the mūrgi, chicken, every day cutting one."

[break] I thought that they are taking so much care of the cows, but later I understood not taking care; they are making them fattened to kill. The whole Western world. Why America? In your country also. In England? This is the process. Letchmore Heath in our Bhaktivedanta Manor, so many cows were there. It is meant for killing.

Dr. Patel: You know, when during Christmas they bring the turkey, they fatten it.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Dr. Patel: These Christians, during the Christmas they buy a turkey one month before...

Prabhupada: But that is not the injunction of Christ. They have made it.

Dr. Patel: No, no. That cannot be injunction of a saint like that.

Prabhupada: No. He says, "Thou shall not kill." General order.

Dr. Patel: Christ was a great bhagavata-bhakta.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Dr. Patel: He was a bhakta.

Prabhupada: Yes. I said in many lectures that Christianism means Vaisnavism. Where is the Christian?

Dr. Patel: Vaisnavism. Totally Vaisnavism.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.

Dr. Patel: Christianity it is really Vaisnavism, but they, unfortunately... The Church...

Prabhupada: Muhammadanism... Muhammadanism...

Dr. Patel: The Church has spoiled it.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Dr. Patel: Church has defaced it.

Prabhupada: Yes. Everywhere.

Dr. Patel: It is the Church, Christian Church, which has defaced Christism.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Everywhere the followers make the whole thing bungled. Hmm. Go on. [break]

Dr. Patel: No, He saw them there.

Prabhupada: No, He never went. Not that. Never went, because all of them were thinking of Krsna always. Therefore He never went.

Dr. Patel: But they met again in...

Prabhupada: Vrndavanam parityajya na padam ekam gacchati. [Yamala-tantra, quoted in Laghu-bhagavatamrta 1.5.461]. Krsna... Physically it was seen that Krsna left, but Krsna remained within their mind.

[aside:] Hare Krsna. Jaya. [Hindi] [break] No, Krsna came also.

Sridhara: "We gopis of Vrndavana, having left our homes, friends and relatives, have become Krsna's maidservants, but He is..." [break] [end]