Morning Walk – June 11, 1975, Honolulu

Why do they not inject chemical in the dead body?

Prabhupada: [talking with Manasvi in Bengali about different types of dal] [break]

Siddha-svarupa: ...experiments that these... I know of the experiments that these men are doing. They're connected... They have gone to the Buddhists. They've gone to Buddhist monks and various people that are into voidism, and they've made these tests, and it comes out that there's no activity. So they're seeing this as being the goal. They're trying to see if the same perfection, result of perfection, is achieved by the chanting. They already have a preconceived notion of what perfection is, and if they're testing to see if...

Prabhupada: To that standard.

Siddha-svarupa: Yeah, if we're up to that standard of perfection of the Buddhist monks or the Zen monks or transcendental meditators or whatever. So I think it's a very bad thing to take part in that thing.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Siddha-svarupa: Because they'll simply try to... Anyway, it's... [break] Sometimes because these people have big titles like "psychologist" or "professor," and they have many machines and authoritative-looking instruments, we become deceived into thinking that they are authorities of some sort, and we let them dictate to us. [break]

Prabhupada: ...do not study that why these devotees have given up intoxication, which the government failed to stop?

Siddha-svarupa: Yes.

Prabhupada: It is practical.

Siddha-svarupa: Yeah, it's an easy enough thing to study.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Siddha-svarupa: It's an easy thing to study. Simple.

Prabhupada: Why these devotee, they have given up intoxication? Apart from other items, the government, especially in USA, they are spending millions of dollars to stop this intoxication, LSD. So why they have failed? And why Krsna consciousness movement has become successful? What is the psychology?

Siddha-svarupa: It seems that these people don't know how to be simple.

Prabhupada: Well, they have no spiritual information. That is the... Therefore the first education is to understand what is spirit. Then spiritual knowledge is... They do not know what is spirit.

[break] ...imani bhutani bhavanti. That is spirit, the original source of everything. This body, original source is the spirit. As soon as the spirit is not there, the body will not grow. They are seeing actually. Therefore the original source is the spirit. Why the dead child does not grow? Or dead young man does not grow? They have not studied, still, what is the cause? If it is chemical, then inject some chemical, if you know, and make it grow. Is there any... Why they cannot do it? Why do they say it is chemical? Chemical you have got in your possession. So inject the dead child and it will grow. Then it is correct. And where is that? Simply bogus propaganda. And we have to accept it. Either they must say that "Yes, it is chemical, but we did not find that chemical."

Siddha-svarupa: So they have to admit their failure.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Siddha-svarupa: So that means they're not sure it's a chemical.

Prabhupada: Then?

Siddha-svarupa: If they say they haven't found it, they have to admit that they're not sure.

Prabhupada: Why do they not inject chemical in the dead body? Harikesa? What is their answer, these rascals' answers? If they know this out of chemical, then inject that chemical in the dead body and let him come back again in life. What do they say?

Harikesa: They're a little puzzled about that one.

Prabhupada: Puzzled means they are rascals. Why a scientist should be puzzled? Then you are rascal, admit it. If I know my business correct, why shall I be puzzled? That means rascal. You are rascal, and you are theorizing only. What is the value of your statement?

Siddha-svarupa: Actually, the chemicals are already there in a body which has just..., someone has just left the body, the soul has just left, all the chemicals are there. There's nothing missing.

Harikesa: Well, they will say there's a slight difference, and that slight difference is enough.

Prabhupada: But you do not know what is that slight difference.

Siddha-svarupa: It is a slight difference. The soul is missing. [laughs]

Prabhupada: If the chemical is missing, you can replace the chemical.

Siddha-svarupa:. Right. Do they say it's a slight difference in chemical composition?

Harikesa: Yes, there's just a slight difference with some of the chemicals...

Prabhupada: What is that difference? That also you cannot explain.

Siddha-svarupa: What is the difference? Do they know? Or do they say they know?

Harikesa: Well they haven't found it yet.

Prabhupada: Well, that's it, still they are talking of chemical... They did not find what is the original cause; still, they are suggesting this is the cause.

Harikesa: Because they are finding so many cures to diseases, they are trying now...

Prabhupada: What the disease? What they have...? Have they found any cure for the cancer?

Siddha-svarupa: Cancer?

Harikesa: For certain diseases they are...

Prabhupada: Certain diseases. Then we are calling of disease.

Ambarisa: There's always new diseases, though.

Siddha-svarupa: That's the whole thing. Like cancer is a new disease.

Ambarisa: For every old disease they find a cure for, there are..., a new disease.

Prabhupada: No cure. They simply find out... They say, "It is better medicine," but it is not cured. What disease they have cured? What... Name particular disease, "This disease is cured."

Harikesa: Well, they have some smallpox vaccine, and no one gets smallpox any more.

Prabhupada: Yes, does it mean smallpox is stopped all over the world?

Harikesa: It's very much cut down. There's hardly any smallpox...

Prabhupada: Very much cut down, but it's very much increasing in another side.

Siddha-svarupa: No, no, they have smallpox.

Harikesa: In America there's no smallpox. So that means here...

Prabhupada: That is all right. It is due to poverty, uncleanliness. So that is known to everyone. The smallpox takes place amongst the poorer class, unclean class. In India also, that is there. No gentleman's house there is smallpox. Only these lower class, unclean.

Siddha-svarupa: Where there's no facility for sanitation...

Prabhupada: If you remain unclean, all diseases will come. Where is the cure?

Harikesa: They also have this thing where they're freezing bodies just before they die.

Prabhupada: That is another nonsense.

Harikesa: Later on, they will unthaw them...

Prabhupada: Later on.

Harikesa: ...when they find the cure, and cure it.

Siddha-svarupa: They promised that man? [laughs] So they are doing good for that person?

Prabhupada: Everything, "Later on. Wait. Take this post-dated check." "And where is money, sir?" "Wait. You have got the check. That's all right."

Siddha-svarupa: They are making promises.

Manasvi: The scientists who are saying that they're going to do this, they'll be also in the same position after some years.

Siddha-svarupa: Right, they're promising this person they freezed that "We will thaw you out later," but they cannot even promise themself that they won't die that night in a car accident or die from some disease themselves. So how can they promise that "In a while we will thaw you out"? They're simply cheating the people.

Prabhupada: Why it is congested today?

Siddha-svarupa: Well, we came a little late. It's rush hour. All the people that live on that side of the island work on that side of the island. So they have to drive over every morning. And we happened to get the work-hour traffic because we left a little late.

Harikesa: They are turning Hawaii into New York City.

Siddha-svarupa: Yeah, they're making it very difficult. They're going to develop this entire side of the island more and more, and so that they're taking agriculture land, and they'll be building subdivisions, and people from the mainland will be moving, living in condominiums on this island.

Prabhupada: That means for one convenience, they create another inconvenience.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes.

Prabhupada: This is the business. In this way they will take three hours to go to the other side?

Siddha-svarupa: Uh, not three hours, but it'll... [break]

Prabhupada: [talking about Colonel Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken] ...photo must be there.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes, here's his..., his photograph is also on this round bucket. He puts his photograph on the bucket.

Prabhupada: He has become a very big man.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes.

Prabhupada: By killing chickens.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes. He actually is beginning to look like a chicken, his face. He's actually starting to look like a chicken.

Ambarisa: He claims he is a very religious man, too.

Prabhupada: Accha?

Ambarisa: Yes.

Prabhupada: This is the sample of religious man. And what is irreligious? [chuckles] If the religious men kill so many chickens daily, then what is the irreligious man do?

Siddha-svarupa: They're vegetarians. [laughs]

Prabhupada: He kills the chicken and fry it in oil. And that is sold.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes. Big money. They...

Ambarisa: He's also very involved in politics.

Prabhupada: Accha? He's a politician also?

Ambarisa: Yeah. At the Democratic convention he supplies all the politicians with unlimited fried chicken.

Prabhupada: Accha? [laughter] [break]

Siddha-svarupa: ...he also sells, I think. But this other chain of restaurants, McDonald's, they are very proud. They announce how many hamburgers they have sold. They have branches everywhere in the world.

Prabhupada: Hamburger means?

Siddha-svarupa: Uh, that's beef. They kill the cows in a unbelievable..., at an unbelievable rate, the number of cows they're killing for their meat. [break]

Prabhupada: ...up? No?

Siddha-svarupa: I'm not sure.

Manasvi: I think up to now they have sold 200,000,000 hamburgers, or something like that.

Prabhupada: You also keep account? [laughs]

Manasvi: No, they put that ad in every day.

Siddha-svarupa: They put in a newspaper.

Ambarisa: You can't avoid seeing it.

Siddha-svarupa: No, they are always telling you.

Manasvi: In front of their shop it's always there.

Siddha-svarupa: "We have killed this many." They have also tried to connect themselves with patriotism and religion. They have, at all of their restaurants, they have the American flag flying along with the McDonald's flag. They have their own flag, McDonald's. So they fly alongside the American flag. [break]

Ambarisa: I heard once that human beings in the modes of goodness were coming from the cow family or from the cows mostly? If there are so many cows being killed, why aren't there more people in the modes of goodness?

Prabhupada: Hmm? Now, after the... There are three sources: cow, monkey and lion. This is the last animal life.

Siddha-svarupa: You gonna park here?

Prabhupada: Why not go a little...

Siddha-svarupa: There's a beach park right up there.

Prabhupada: Yes, beach park. Oh, you have to stop.

Siddha-svarupa: The... [break]

Prabhupada: ...cow which is killed, that does not get immediately human life, because he is untimely killed.

Ambarisa: Oh. So he takes birth as a cow again?

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...finish his birth as cow, and who is killing, he becomes... He is stopping his progress, therefore he is punishable. Just like you have leased one apartment to live for so many years, and if somebody, by force, kicks out, then he is punishable.

[break] [on walk]

Devotee: ...Kamehameha Day, today?

Bali-mardana: Today is a holiday. [break] Saturday. [break]

Prabhupada: Here, for chanting? A good hall? [break]

Siddha-svarupa: This is the buildings where all the... [break] They don't have any crocodiles here.

Paramahamsa: Is that a shark? That's a shark. That big fish... See that big fish, Prabhupada? That big one on the wall? He is hanging?

Prabhupada: Oh, he is dead?

Paramahamsa: Yes, dead fish. That's a shark.

Prabhupada: Oh. [break] ...these are kept for sale?

Siddha-svarupa: Well, no. It's a very strange thing. They just show everybody. They capture 'em and show everybody what they look like. The public pays 25 cents to go see what it looks like. [break]

Prabhupada: For aircraft killing?

Siddha-svarupa: Maybe. I don't think it's that bad in... [break]

Bali-mardana: This is a war memorial.

Prabhupada: Oh. American or enemy's captured?

Bali-mardana: It looks like American artillery.

Devotee: A gun.

Siddha-svarupa: When I was about ten years old... When I was a young boy, we would play with my friends. We would stand on this and try to knock each other off, push each other off the cannon.

Prabhupada: It can be... No.

Siddha-svarupa: No, it doesn't swing around.

Devotee: It's jammed now.

Prabhupada: It is from the last world war? [break] ...far it goes?

Bali-mardana: Few mi... About ten miles.

Prabhupada: Oh. [break] ...such cannons are meant for killing aircraft. [break] ...London Blitz, Blitz, they were attacking from aircraft and from ground also, simultaneously. [break] ...beginning, they were conquering over Belgium and neighboring... Evening... Morning, one country, and evening, one country.

Bali-mardana: Blitzkrieg.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...is the name of somebody?

Siddha-svarupa: There was a queen named Queen Kapiolani.

Prabhupada: Oh. [break] ...Hawaiian queen?

Siddha-svarupa: Yes. [break] No.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Siddha-svarupa: The Filipinos mostly eat dogs.

Prabhupada: He said, Govinda dasi.

Siddha-svarupa: Who?

Prabhupada: Govinda dasi.

Siddha-svarupa: I don't think she knows the difference between Hawaiians and Filipinos.

Prabhupada: Oh, there are Filipines here?

Siddha-svarupa: Yes, there are many.

Bali-mardana: They imported them to work in the plantations.

Prabhupada: Oh. [break]

Srutakirti: That was the sound of peacocks.

Prabhupada: Where?

Srutakirti: Just over here somewhere.

Devotee: That's a zoo over there.

Bali-mardana: There is a zoo. They have many peacocks who roam around. [break]

Prabhupada: ...on the pathway there was sometimes tree. They do not cut it. [break] ...very rare there. It is dried firmly? It is dried up?

Devotee: Not all of them. Little bit dried and like that. So sometimes one of those..., Kanva and other devotees, have been suggesting to put fruit trees instead of this kind of trees. Can we cut them?

Prabhupada: No.

Devotee: No, we should not. [break]

Prabhupada: ...it is absolutely necessary. [break]

Prabhupada: ...develop this land. [break] ...develop.

Siddha-svarupa: Hawaii.

Prabhupada: Hawaii, yes.

Siddha-svarupa: The Hawaiians could never develop. They didn't want development.

Prabhupada: Oh. Now they are still here, or they have left?

Siddha-svarupa: They are here, but they've mixed up with other races. There's many mixture in races. And most of the local people who live here, they're a mixture of Hawaiian, Japanese... [break]

Prabhupada: Then everything will go on nice.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes, the people will have someone to look up to, at least. They'll know which way to go. [break]

Prabhupada: ...rogues.

Siddha-svarupa: Yes, and so then they become..., the people become very frustrated because the leaders they're trying to look up to, they find out they're crooks, and it ruins their... [break]

Prabhupada: ...the animals. Take, for example, the cows. If the master is Krsna conscious, they are not killed. And if the master is a rogue, they are killed. They have no knowledge how to protect themself. They take shelter of a master. So if the master is good, then their life is safe. And if the master is rogue, then they are killed. So it requires the leader. Formerly, the kings were saintly, rajarsi. Therefore there was peace. You cannot expect the mass of people very intelligent. That is not possible. They are generally in darkness. They believe that "Somebody, this man, will give us protection." But the man is treacherous. He sits round[?] on the post of giving protection, but he kills. This is going on. Therefore if the leaders become nice, Krsna conscious, then everything will be all right. [break] These rogues, by force, by device, they all occupy the government post. Formerly, Vedic, the king was trained up very nicely by the brahmanas, guided by the brahmanas, and they would do nicely. [break] ...now thousands of kings. The president, the secretary, the minister, this, senator, everyone is king. Because everyone is in the business of exploitation. That's all. Formerly there was one king. Now, in the name of democracy, there are thousands of kings. And the poor citizens, they have to satisfy all of them.

Siddha-svarupa: Right. They have to...

Prabhupada: This is the position. [break] [end]