Morning Walk – January 31, 1977, Bhubaneswar

All right, take water here also

Prabhupada: ...obedient to God-that means offer sacrifices-then there will be regular rain. And if there is regular rain, any damn land is good for any purpose. Land has been made bad because there is no regular rain. They... Why the desert is? If there is regular rain, the desert will be also fertile. So it is gradually becoming desert. The whole world will be desert. No production. Suffer. Make your scientific research, godless. All rascals, full of rascals...

[horn beeping] [break] There is a proposal. You know that? Just see how great rascals they are. They'll import water.

Gurukrpa: They have done that in California. They have piped water into the desert and made it the most fertile place.

Prabhupada: Yes. What is desert? Desert means no water. There is no rain.

Gargamuni: In Israel, which is a desert, they are exporting food all over the world.

Prabhupada: Every land will be fertile and usable if there is water. That's all. They are making scientific research.

Satsvarūpa: So if they can bring water by pipe, then they don't need yajna.

Prabhupada: That is also another foolishness. How much water he'll carry by pipe?

[aside:] Where is pole?

Take water from God. That is sufficient. Navadit tarims ca[?]. When there is water supplied by God, where there is no need of water there will be water. Just like on the hills, on the mountains, there is no need of water. In the ocean there is no need of water. But the God... "All right, take water here also." That is God's gift. You rascal, how much water you have got that you transport by pipe and this and that? All rascals. Mūḍha. They can simply address as rascals. That's all. That is my language, always. These are all rascals. Godless means mūḍha, rascal, duskrtina. They will attempt so many things, simply waste their time and energy. Duskrtina. Because they are rascals. Mūḍha. Na mam duskrtino mūḍhaḥ prapadyante naradhamaḥ [Bg 7.15].

And a human being should have intelligence, but they are lower, lowest status of the human being. Mūḍha, duskrtino mūḍhaḥ naradhamaḥ. Naradhamaḥ? "No, the university education..." Mayayapahrta-jnanaḥ. Everything is analytically spoken. Why all these things? Asuram bhavam asritaḥ. Because godless, no intelligence. Anyone who is godless, he has no intelligence. This is the conclusion. They are intelligent amongst the similar rascals. Sva-viḍ-varahostra-kharaiḥ [SB 2.3.19]. He's intelligent among the dogs, among the camels, among the hogs and the asses. They will praise them, "Oh, you are so intelligent. You are so educated." Not human being. Just like dog receives his master, [makes growling sounds] "Grw, grw, grw, grw," like that. So what is that reception, dog's reception? Similarly, these intelligent men are intelligent amongst a class of men who are compared with dogs, hogs, camel and asses. They are not human being. If some man praises them, that "You are so big. You are so big leader," he's also amongst this group. Sva-viḍ-varahostra-kharaiḥ. This is grave thing. Let understand it, that anyone who is godless, who has no idea what is God, he is a rascal. Immediately take him that he's a rascal. He may be prime minister, he may be president, he may be scientist, but we shall take him as rascal number one. This is our first understanding. Boka. My Guru Maharaja used to say boka. So at that time I was thinking, "Everyone is boka?" [laughing] Guru Maharaja says, "Everyone..." "Even Rabindranath Tagore, he is also boka." Later on I could under..., "Yes. Everyone is boka."

Satsvarūpa: You were surprised that he was saying at first, "Everyone is rascal."

Prabhupada: [laughs] Yes.

Satsvarūpa: We were all too. When you said Gandhi, we were shocked, because we thought he was a great saint. And he's also rascal.

Gurukrpa: When you say it in public... In private meeting you say... The other night you said that this Munshi was a rascal, everyone was...

Prabhupada: Who? Who? Whom I said?

Gurukrpa: Munshi.

Prabhupada: Munshi, ah, yes. [laughs]

Gurukrpa: Everybody was, "Is it true?"

Prabhupada: He did not believe in Krsna. And from his character he's a rascal. I know that.

Hari-sauri: The one thing that shocks the Indians the most is Vivekananda.

Prabhupada: Because they're rascals. Modern population in India, they are all rascals. Whole population is boka.

Gargamuni: No. The Marwaris don't like him because he was a chicken-eater.

Prabhupada: Marwaris are little religious. They...

Gargamuni: They never talk about Vivekananda. They don't like him.

Prabhupada: He was rascal number one. He brought three women with whom he had intimate connection. That is very easy to make intimate connection with woman in America. With money also. He brought. And with their money... Aurobindo also, the same thing. With woman's money they became rich-not like me, with hard labor of writing books and selling. I could also do. There was chance. But this is not my business to make intimate relation with woman and get money. I could do. There was chance. When attempt was failed, the man who introduced that woman to me, he one day said, "I have seen many svamis, but none like you." [laughter]

Gargamuni: They advised you to grow a beard and to wear Western suit, the other svamis. [break]

Prabhupada: ...in a different style, that's all. [break] ...money. These rascals are also after woman and money, in a different style. Asat eka stri-sahgi [Cc Madhya 22.87]. Caitanya Mahaprabhu immediately rejects him, that "He's a rascal. He's after women." Immediately. Asat eka stri-sahgi. Two kinds of rascal-nondevotee of Krsna and woman-hunter-reject immediately. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... The sannyasa life is... What is that? Cent per cent, no connection with woman. That is sannyasa. What we have renounced? We have renounced... We are using the motorcar, we are using this machine, we are eating, we are sleeping in nice room-what is the renouncement? Only renouncement is no connection with woman. That is the real platform of renouncement. If one can renounce woman's connection, then he's liberated man. That is very, very difficult. [break] Except myself, they go for woman and money, that's all, in foreign countries. This is the position. This Vishnu, Vishnu... Vishnananda, Vishnu-ananda? Now what is that? One yogi is in Montreal?

Satsvarūpa: Vishnu-something-ananda.

Prabhupada: He also is after women. That's all.

Satsvarūpa: Swami Saccidananda.

Prabhupada: He is also.

Satsvarūpa: He was exposed with fourteen-year-old girl.

Prabhupada: Yes. Just see.

Satsvarūpa: And Yogi Bhajan.

Prabhupada: He is openly.

Satsvarūpa: Yes. He comes with his women.

Prabhupada: He is openly. His philosophy is how to enjoy women, tantric.

Satsvarūpa: Yes. He advertises sex for..., yoga for two. He has a special price that a couple can come and learn tantra-yoga in America. And then Guru Maharaj Ji, he married.

Prabhupada: Tantra-yoga means they will have sex, and he will be able not to discharge. That is tantra-yoga. The woman likes a man who does not easily discharge. This is tantra-yoga. So he is teaching that art, or science. They will prove their tantric success that while sex there is no discharge.

Satsvarūpa: I spoke to one of them and said that for spiritual life you had to refrain from sex, and he said, "No. If you do this enough, then you will not have any more desire." Otherwise if you just refrain, that is not as thorough.

Prabhupada: So many things going on. Very difficult to lead spiritual life.

Actually one who is serious going back to home, back to Godhead-for such person, one should be niskincana, no connection with these material woman and money. Niskincanasya. [break]

But I am not collecting money for sense gratification. For preaching work. Krsna-sambandhe... [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.255] Krsna sebaya yaha haya anukula, visaya baliya taha haya bhula. [sri-hari sevaya yaha haya anukūla visaya baliya tyage haya bhūla [Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura]

The anything which is favorable to my preaching work, that is not visaya. Taha bhūla.. Then that is mistake. Why the air is misty? Fog...

[break] Similarly, you can kill. You have to see it, what for they are killing. Stalin was killing for his own sense gratification. He wanted to maintain himself in the position, and anyone going against him, he would kill. That was not for the citizens' benefit. For his own benefit. Therefore he's a criminal. Just like soldier is killing hundreds of thousands of other soldiers. He is being awarded, "Oh, you are brave." And as soon as he kills one man for his own-he is hanged. So we have to see what is the cause that Arjuna fought for Krsna, he became a devotee. Bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg 4.3]: very dear friend. What is the business? To kill. There are different.

Satsvarūpa: Isn't it true also that, in the Krsna conscious state, that a rascal, he may be allowed to live if he does his rascaldom but within the regulations? Like there's even allowance for eating meat and for going to the prostitute. Not that he'll be automatically killed, but...

Prabhupada: No, who said like that?

Satsvarūpa: Well, there are some purports in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that say there'll always be a class of men who will do this thing, so the prostitute is natural in society. That will keep him from at least going to...

Prabhupada: That is another thing. Because there are rascals, they will pollute their homely wives and sisters, you can allow to go to the prostitute.

Satsvarūpa: So it's not that they are automatically killed, but at least they must...

Prabhupada: They are killing... They are... Prostitution... But to save the society from their pollution, the concession is there, "Go to prostitute." They are killing themselves.

Satsvarūpa: Just like Maharaja Pariksit, he did not kill the Kali, either, when he found...

Prabhupada: He was ready to kill. When he surrendered, he gave him some shelter. [end]