Room Conversation with Reporter – August 7, 1973, London

George Harrison donated this house to Prabhupada for spreading Krsna consciousness

Reporter: [indistinct] what happened [indistinct] photographer, who is coming any time, any time now.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Reporter: So I would be grateful if I could just talk to you for a few minutes.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Reporter: Um, the, ah… When did you arrive in this country, sir?

Prabhupada: Just… These questions, he can answer.

Hamsadūta: Okay. [indistinct] …tape-recorder.

Reporter: Why are you tape-recording the conversation?

Hamsadūta: Oh, we tape-record everything, because everything Prabhupada says is very important.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] comes from the book.

Reporter: I see.

[pause]

Hamsadūta: Prabhupada... You want to know when he arrived in London? July seventh.

Reporter: July seventh. Is this the first time that he has been...

Hamsadūta: No, Prabhupada has been here often, very often before.

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: We have another center downtown.

Reporter: In London?

Hamsadūta: Yes, it is 7 Bury Place, right behind the British Museum.

Reporter: I see. Yes. And when was this house given to you?

Hamsadūta: Oh, I think in May. George Harrison, he donated this house to Prabhupada for spreading Krsna consciousness.

Reporter: Did he in fact… How much did he pay for the house?

Hamsadūta: Ah, about £220,000.

Reporter: Does he still own the house?

Hamsadūta: Erm.... It's in a special trust, of which the proceeds go to our society.

Reporter: I see.

Hamsadūta: You have to excuse me [indistinct]

Reporter: Yeah, sure

Hamsadūta: A plug in, and then I can speak with you.

Reporter: Ah. What does "prophet" mean? You call him prophet?

Hamsadūta: Prabhupada?

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: Prabhupada means the master at whose feet, or at whose lotus feet, all the other masters take shelter.

Reporter: Yes. How long has Prapoom [sic] been leading this faith?

Hamsadūta: Hmm…

Reporter: Do you call it a religion, or do you call it a faith? What do you call it? Spiritual movement, is it?

Hamsadūta: Just a minute. [making some technical adjustments] Okay. Prabhupada, he came to America in 19... 1965.

Reporter: Yes. Where did he come from originally?

Hamsadūta: He was born in Calcutta, in India.

Reporter: What is his background?

Hamsadūta: He was educated in Scottish Churches, and he was a businessman. Chemical company, manager of a chemical, pharmaceutical supply house.

Reporter: Where? In Calcutta?

Hamsadūta: Well, in India, different parts

Reporter: India. When was that?

Hamsadūta: That was in [indistinct]. In his early life he [indistinct].

Reporter: Yeah. And when did he start this religion?

Hamsadūta: Well, Krsna consciousness is not a religion, but Prabhupada... Krsna consciousness is very old, you know. The Bhagavad-gita was spoken over five thousand years ago. So it is the oldest literature in the world. So Prabhupada is an acarya, or spiritual teacher.

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: A pure devotee, in the line of disciplic succession…

Reporter: When…

Hamsadūta: …which is coming down from Krsna. So…

Reporter: When did he first start doing…

Hamsadūta: He came to America in 19…

Prabhupada: Sixty-five.

Hamsadūta: 1965, under the order of his spiritual master, to spread this, this eternal teaching in the English language.

Reporter: Until that time had he been teaching in the Indian language?

Hamsadūta: Yes, Prabhupada has, practically, Prabhupada has been a devotee from birth. He was born in a family of Vaisnavas, or Krsna devotees.

Reporter: Yes, I see.

Hamsadūta: And all his life, dedicated to preaching Krsna consciousness.

Reporter: Yes, and… But what…, at what stage in his life did he abandon his career in business?

Hamsadūta: In business?

Prabhupada: About sixty… I was born in 1896 and I left my home in 1954. 1896 to 1954.

Hamsadūta: Fifty-five years.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Reporter: Yes. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: No, I came to America in 1965. But I left my home in 1954.

Reporter: Fifty-four, yes. This is when you abandoned your career in business.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Reporter: Yes. What made you decide to abandon a career in business?

Prabhupada: This is our system. At a certain age, we must give up our family life. This is Vedic system.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: There is no question of decision. According to Vedic system, a man's duration of life is divided into four. The first portion is called brahmacari, or student life.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Up to twenty…Suppose one man lives, take it for granted, one hundred years.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So first twenty-five years, he becomes a rigid brahmacari.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Means completely celibacy.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: And austerity, penance and education.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Up to twenty-five years.

Reporter: Twenty-five. Yes.

Prabhupada: Then he becomes married, householder.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So he remains up to his fiftieth year.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So within this twenty-five years, whatever children he gets, they are grown up, so the husband and wife goes out of home…

Reporter: Okay.

Prabhupada: …touring all over holy places.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Then, when gradually he becomes unattached to wife also, the wife comes back home and the husband takes sannyasa, the renounced order. This is the Vedic system. It is not a question of decision; it is the system…

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: …that one should live in this way.

Reporter: Yes. Do you have a wife and family, sir?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Reporter: Can I ask you, how many children do you have?

Prabhupada: Yes, I have got two daughters and two sons.

Reporter: And your wife, she is still living, is she?

Prabhupada: Yes, they are living at my home in Calcutta.

Reporter: You still see them occasionally?

Prabhupada: No.

Reporter: You don't? Because this is that part of your life, is that right?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Reporter: So how do you spend your life now, sir?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Reporter: How do you spend your life now? Where is your home now?

Prabhupada: My home is in Calcutta.

Reporter: But not with your family.

Prabhupada: No, my wife with her children…

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: …they are living in their house in Calcutta.

Reporter: In Calcutta, yes.

Hamsadūta: He wants to know what is the nature of your life there…

Reporter: But you still see…

Prabhupada: Yes. No, no, I don't see.

Reporter: You don't see them.

Hamsadūta: Right.

Prabhupada: I'm strictly prohibited to see my wife.

Reporter: I see.

Prabhupada: But my children may come and see me.

Reporter: But your children may see you, yes.

Prabhupada: Yes, they come sometimes.

Reporter: So you have a home as well, also a home in Calcutta.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Reporter: And you spend… Do you travel extensively over the world…, around the world, I believe.

Prabhupada: Because I am now sannyasi.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So I have no home at all. A sannyasi is supposed to have no home. He is touring. Just like here, although I am supposed to be the owner of everything…

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: …but I don't possess anything. It is the possession of the Society.

Reporter: I see. How many members do you have in your Society?

Prabhupada: We have got many members. About... Members and admirers, about 10,000, in the Western countries.

Reporter: Ten thousand in the Western countries. What about in the East?

Hamsadūta: Everyone.

Reporter: I see.

Prabhupada: East, everyone is Krsna conscious.

Reporter: I see. Now, there are many movements which seem to emanate from India at the moment in this country. The most popular recently is a Maharaji-ji. Now, how do you regard these other…

Prabhupada: Do you think he is very popular?

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: Do you think so?

Reporter: Well, it seems he gets a lot of people at the rallies. They have rallies, and they have many people there.

Prabhupada: But they have no center. We have got about one hundred centers. And in each center...

[aside:] You show.

Hamsadūta: This is our Los Angeles center.

Prabhupada: Similarly, we have got in every center.

Hamsadūta: Los Angeles center.

Reporter: In Los Angeles.

Prabhupada: I don't think this Maharaj-ji has got such thing.

Reporter: No. But how do you regard these other people? Do you regard them as impostors?

Prabhupada: Yes, because anyone who is not God conscious… Most of them, they come, they pose themself as God.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: This is most ludicrous.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: We hate[?] them.

Reporter: They pose themselves as God and like to drive around in Rolls-Royce cars.

Prabhupada: Rolls-Royce car, that is another thing. Anyone can travel… But when they say that…, when somebody says that "I am God," then immediately we kick on his face.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes, he is the most impostor. And the foolish person only follow them, because they do not know what is God.

Reporter: Hmm. Are you… Are you a rich man, sir?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Reporter: Are you a rich man? In financial terms?

Prabhupada: No.

Hamsadūta: Prabhupada is a sannyasi. Sannyasi means he has renounced everything. He has no money, he doesn't acquire anything. His business is simply to preach the message of Krsna. What he is is a preacher of God, a servant of God.

Reporter: What is the message, in fact, of Krsna?

Hamsadūta: Yes, the message…

Prabhupada: Message is that everything belongs to God. Even ourself, we belong to God. Therefore everything should be used for satisfying God. This is our message.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: We have written about more than one dozen books, big books, and such small books about twenty, thirty like this. Small books.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: To help people understand this philosophy.

Reporter: Yoga is part of the religion?

Hamsadūta: Yes, this is called bhakti-yoga. Yoga, devotion. Yoga of love, love of Krsna.

Reporter: I see.

Hamsadūta: So these, we are publishing at least fifteen books like this.

Reporter: I see.

Hamsadūta: They have all authorized scripture. They are more than five thousand years old, these scriptures. And we are distributing them all over the world in different languages, like German, English, Japanese, Hindi, like that. All the pictures and everything are made by our students.

Reporter: How do you view the Christian religion? I mean, are these religions valid in your eyes?

Prabhupada: The religion is quite valid, but the followers are not valid.

Reporter: No. Because they're not dedicating themselves…

Prabhupada: Not only that; they are violating the orders of Jesus Christ. Just like Christ said, "Thou shall not kill." But they are maintaining big, big slaughterhouse.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So it is very difficult to find out a strict Christian.

Reporter: Yes. How is it possible sir, if, for someone who is totally dedicated to your religion, how is it possible for them to survive in a world that demands people go out to work for a living?

Prabhupada: Yes, Krsna has helped us. Just like we had no house, but Krsna has given us this house through George.

Reporter: But I mean, do your followers work, in the...?

Prabhupada: No, we do not work like ordinary men.

Reporter: But I mean there must be a… But we couldn't live our life like this. People have got to work, have they not?

Prabhupada: No, no. This is the mistaken philosophy, that people has got to work. That is a mistaken philosophy. Nobody has got to work. Just like work means… Suppose if you have given me food, bread. I go there and take my food. Do you think it is work?

Reporter: No, but somebody has to…

Prabhupada: First of all answer this. You have offered me some dish here.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: So I go and eat. Do you think it is work?

Reporter: No, that isn't work.

Prabhupada: If you think that going from here to that place is work, that is another thing.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: But if my food is there, so I have to go and take it. Similarly, for everyone there is food and shelter…

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: …ordered by God…

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: …but you have to take it.

Reporter: But I mean somebody has to make tables and chairs and carpets and...

Prabhupada: That is your artificial need.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: You have created this need.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Just like other living entities, they also sleep.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: But they do not have apartments or nice bedstead, nice table. That has not hampered their sleeping.

Reporter: No, no.

Prabhupada: You have created these artificial needs.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: But without this, it does not hamper your eating or sleeping. Your... Your... You have got certain amount of energy.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: That energy was to be utilized for designating or to search out God.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: But you are misusing this energy for manufacturing table and chair.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: You can live even without table and chair.

Reporter: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: But if you live without God consciousness, then immediately you become to the status of animals. Because they live without God consciousness.

Reporter: Yes. Are there any animals which you regard as sacred? I know in the Hindu faith, where the, erm…

Prabhupada: No, this is for everyone. But others, they have no brain. Just like cow. We drink cow's milk…

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: …therefore she is our mother. So how can you kill your mother? Can you?

Reporter: No.

Prabhupada: Then how you kill cows? Because milk you drink. Is that very a gentleman's philosophy?

Reporter: Well, the people would starve.

Prabhupada: People are not...

Reporter: People would starve if we didn't…

Prabhupada: Starve? Without eating flesh?

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: This is another nonsense. We are not eating flesh.

Reporter: What in fact do you eat? Are you vegetarian?

Hamsadūta: Yes, we eat [indistinct] we eat vegetables, fruit, milk products, sugar, grains and nuts.

Reporter: Yes, what..

Hamsadūta: We don't eat meat, fish or eggs.

Reporter: What about alcohol?

Hamsadūta: We follow four principles very strictly: no meat, fish or eggs; we don't take any intoxication whatsoever, no cigarettes, tea or coffee; and we don't indulge in illicit sex life; and we don't gamble.

Reporter: What about marriage? Is marriage a part of…?

Hamsadūta: Yes, sex life is allowed, but, under condition that one gets himself married, and once married no divorce, no abortion. [indistinct] sex life for producing children only.

Reporter: Yes. Yes. Yes. How many followers are here, living in the house?

Hamsadūta: About fifty.

Reporter: About fifty. What is the breakdown for nationalities? What nationalities are there?

Hamsadūta: Well, most of them, of course, are English, but there are…

Reporter: And these English who have become followers…

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

Reporter: English [indistinct].

Hamsadūta: [indistinct] we don't make any distinction here between English [indistinct].

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: Everyone is welcome.

Reporter: Yes. Before you were given this house, where in fact did you live?

Hamsadūta: We were staying, and we still have, Bury Place, that I told you.

Reporter: Yes. I see.

Hamsadūta: 7 Bury Place. So George donated this house because he appreciates the movement. So we are using this house.

Reporter: Does George have any position within the movement at all?

Hamsadūta: He doesn't have any. He is a follower. He is helping us.

Prabhupada: He also gave me formerly $19,000, for printing that Krsna book.

Hamsadūta: That we showed you.

Reporter: When he, and other members of the Beatles, went to India, it was not you that they saw, was it, sir?

Prabhupada: No, I met him here.

Reporter: You met him here, yes?

Hamsadūta: George, he paid for the printing of this book.

Reporter: Ah, yes.

Hamsadūta: A few years ago.

Prabhupada: In the Preface I have acknowledged.

[aside:] You show him the Preface.

I have acknowledged.

Reporter: Spiritually[?], if he printed the book, that's nice.

Hamsadūta: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] Preface.

Hamsadūta: All our books are very nice. "My grateful acknowledgment is due to Sriman George Harrison, now chanting Hare Krsna, for his liberal contribution of $19,000 to meet the entire cost of printing this volume. May Krsna bestow upon this nice boy further advancement in Krsna consciousness."

Reporter: Is there… Most of the… Do you have age limits as far as that is concerned?

Hamsadūta: No.

Reporter: I mean, from what age can you become a member?

Hamsadūta: Well, Prabhupada is about seventy-five. [laughs]

Reporter: But are you…, what age do you start?

Hamsadūta: Any age. Even children.

Reporter: But I mean most of the followers, I would think, are in their twenties.

Hamsadūta: Yeah, they are all between about 16 to 25, you know.

Reporter: This is… Why... Have you any older members who…?

Hamsadūta: Yes, we have older members too. But we have older members who are…, just like you are.

Prabhupada: Our Bhakti Pramode is another businessman; he is also sixty-five.

Reporter: Where will you go…? What are you doing this week, sir? What are your plans?

Prabhupada: Our plan is…

Hamsadūta: We are going to Paris tomorrow.

Reporter: Paris? What is happening there?

Hamsadūta: There is a ceremony at our new temple…

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: …and the mayor of the city of Paris will receive Prabhupada in city hall.

Reporter: I see. And from there what will happen?

Hamsadūta: Then we will come back to London.

Reporter: Back to London. And then?

Hamsadūta: And here at the Manor, on the twenty-first and twenty-second…

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: …there is a very big...

Reporter: August, yes.

Hamsadūta: …celebration, [indistinct] birthday, or appearance day, of Lord Krsna. So it is the most important event, a holiday, or...

Reporter: Yes. I see. Are you hoping to, obviously, get more members in the movement, are you?

Hamsadūta: Well, we want people to be Krsna conscious; we want people to chant Hare Krsna. And if they just…

Reporter: Yes… What does "Hare Krsna" mean?

Hamsadūta: Hare Krsna is… Hare is the energy of Krsna, and Krsna is the name, God, the Personality of Godhead.

Reporter: Yes.

Hamsadūta: Krsna, and Radha is also [indistinct]. So we are calling to Krsna, "O Krsna, please accept us please engage us in Your service."

Reporter: Krsna is God?

Hamsadūta: Yes.

Reporter: I'm... I see... Hmm. Fine. Do you enjoy life, sir?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Reporter: Do you enjoy life?

Prabhupada: What do you think?

Reporter: I think yes. I think yes.

Prabhupada: Practically, we are enjoying life.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: Those who are not Krsna conscious, they are simply wasting their time for working hard.

Reporter: Yes. Do you go outside, sir, or do you stay inside all the time?

Prabhupada: No, if there is important engagement, I go.

Reporter: Yes. How do you travel normally? By car or by plane?

Prabhupada: No, anything, anything available-plane, car...

Reporter: Will you be going to Paris in a special plane, or will you be going...

Hamsadūta: No. Normal flight.

Reporter: Normal flight.

Prabhupada: I came here first by...

Hamsadūta: Helicopter.

Prabhupada: Helicopter.

Hamsadūta: From the Heliport.

Reporter: Oh! [laughter]

Prabhupada: Drop… Dropped here. Dropped here.

Hamsadūta: Right here on the lawn.

Prabhupada: Yes. [laughter] From the airport, I dropped.

Reporter: Are you...?

Prabhupada: Within five or ten minutes.

Hamsadūta: You see, we are not against using anything at all [indistinct] because we are engaged in [indistinct] Krsna, therefore flying [indistinct]. Everything we use, but we use it for Krsna.

Reporter: Do people have to pay money to join your group, or do they have to give something?

Hamsadūta: No, they don't… They don't have to give something.

Reporter: Because I understand with this other movement, if you…

Hamsadūta: [indistinct] kingdom of God. So why should you pay?

Reporter: Well, this is the point. I just wondered if…, how… [indistinct].

Prabhupada: They are making some business.

Hamsadūta: Yeah, it's a business.

Prabhupada: It is not… It is a science, it is not…

Reporter: I am just wondering how in fact you are managing to survive, you know, to...

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Now, just imagine, this house was 220...

Hamsadūta: Thousand

Prabhupada: …thousands of pounds. So, suppose a man is working, just like you are working. How long years you will have to take to accumulate this money and purchase this house? How long years?

Reporter: I don't know, really. [laughter]

Prabhupada: But we, without doing anything, we have got this house.Yes. Similarly, we are getting our food, nice foodstuff.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So, everything is there by Krsna's arrangement. The foolish people, they do not understand. They unnecessarily work hard. Of course, we do not wish to disclose this.

Reporter: No.

Prabhupada: Ah, but this is the fact. But you can understand that those who are lower than the human being…

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: …they have no business, they have no profession, they have no education, so how they are living?

Reporter: Not very well.

Prabhupada: Therefore the birds and beast, they have no education in the university, neither they are professional. Neither they have any accumulated bank account. Nothing of the sort. In the morning they do not know where to eat and where to go, but have you seen ever, any bird has died of starvation?

Reporter: No.

Prabhupada: Ah. So there are 8,400,000 forms of life. The civilized human form of life is one of them.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: So if 8,000,000 species of life can exist without any endeavor for economic development, why this 400,000 species… Not 400,000; out of 400,000 species of human form, maybe 200…., not even 200, less than, that is civilized man. So how many there are? Why they are busy? But that's all right, you remain busy, but we should try to understand that simply by endeavoring, one cannot become happy. That is not possible.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: Suppose everyone is endeavoring to become very rich man. Does he become so?

Reporter: I don't think so.

Prabhupada: So then why? Another man, without doing anything, he is born in a very rich family and he gets money immediately. What is the cause of this distinction? Is there any cause for what is happening, whatever [indistinct]?

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: One is born with riches.

Reporter: Yes.

Prabhupada: And one is working hard like an ass.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: He cannot get sufficient food even, daily. No. For this difference, is there any cause, or this is happening automatically?

Reporter: All people are born with different values…

Prabhupada: Eh?

Reporter: Each one has learned particular habits…

Prabhupada: Who is judging their values? That is the question. Suppose, if I am judging, "All right, you get one million dollars from him,"I am judging; and I give another man, "You should be hanged." The judge…, the judge is not anyone's enemy, but he says that this man should be hanged and this man should get one million dollars from that person.

Reporter: Hmm.

Prabhupada: So, is the judge friend of that man who is awarded one million dollars? And is he enemy to that man who is to be going to be hanged?

Reporter: No, it doesn't work quite like that. We don't have hanging in this country…

Prabhupada: No, I… You are…

Reporter: No, I see the point you're making. But it doesn't, ah… Anyway…

Prabhupada: But you could not answer this.

Reporter: No.

Prabhupada: But I am answering so many questions, you should answer this.

Reporter: Are you hoping, sir, to get, erm, more followers over here in this country?

Prabhupada: If my movement is genuine, I'll get more. But to become member of our Society is little difficult.

Reporter: Is it?

Prabhupada: "Is difficult" means because we have got four kinds of prohibitions.

Reporter: Yeah.

Prabhupada: It is not like other camps, that you can do any nonsense and you become a member.

Reporter: Yeah.

Prabhupada: No. [indistinct]

Reporter: A person... A person has to be prepared to dedicate his life [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Yes. Not only that; he has to give up meat-eating, illicit sex, gambling. It is very, very difficult.

Reporter: What about his family?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Reporter: Living with family. Does he have to leave home?

Prabhupada: No. He can do... But he can live in home with a wife and children on these principles.

Reporter: Yes. Do you find, sir, that many people who join you leave very quickly?

Prabhupada: No. He is a grhastha; he is a householder. He has got his wife.

Reporter: Running out of time. So I did have a photographer with me. I think he would want to take a photograph…I think you would like to [indistinct]. Outside, yes.

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

[pause, as things are moved around for a photograph]

Prabhupada: I have put hard question, this [indistinct].

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] They will never accept God.

Hamsadūta: [laughs]

Prabhupada: Any way.

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Ah.

Hamsadūta: I told you [indistinct] preach, you know.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

[knock on the door]

Prabhupada: Yes?

Reporter: He doesn't appear to arrived [indistinct].

Hamsadūta: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Hamsadūta: [indistinct] then we can [indistinct]

Reporter: Thank you very much indeed.

Prabhupada: Now give him some prasadam.

Hamsadūta: Take all of it.

Reporter: What is it?

Hamsadūta: [indistinct] milk preparation, very nice sweet, and offered to Krsna [indistinct] Nice, eh?

Reporter: Thanks very much.

Prabhupada: [chuckles]

Reporter: [chuckles]

Hamsadūta: [indistinct] very clean…

Reporter: Thank you.

Hamsadūta: Okay. Thank you. [indistinct]

[reporter leaves]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] principle and principal, they have two meanings.

Hamsadūta: Oh.

Prabhupada: But you have written principal.

Hamsadūta: I see.

[Prabhupada is turning some papers]

Prabhupada: Yes. Just learn from the dictionary, the principal and principle, they are two different words. [end]