Room Conversation With Śrī Nārāyaṇa and Śrī Rāmakṛṣṇa Bājāj – October 31, 1977, Vṛndāvana

If you want to mitigate their sufferings, give this Gita culture

Sri Narayana: But are you feeling better, Swamiji?

Prabhupada: Yes. Little, little.

Sri Narayana: Little better.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Sit down, sit down. Come in Maji.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. I sit here. Last time we met you in Juhu and had your darsana.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Only bones are left.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. I can see.]

Prabhupada: Therefore always two attendants, and they are taking care. Otherwise personally I would not...

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Should I move a little?]

Tamala Krsna: Yes, please sit down. It's all right. It's here for you to sit, so you can...

Sri Narayana: I don't want you to talk loudly.

Tamala Krsna: So you sit down.

Mataji: [Transl. I can come that side.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Can we come to that side?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. Come and sit down.]

Tamala Krsna: You can sit here.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. May I sit here?]

Tamala Krsna: Yes.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. So that you don't have to speak loudly? That is why.]

Prabhupada: I'm very glad to see you here. [Transl. Has Bajajji come?]

Sri Bajaj: [Transl. Yes, I am paying obeisances to you.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Jaya. All of you accept my blessings.]

Sri Bajaj: [Transl. As we had a talk with you, we have come to your house. By tomorrow about 80, 90, or 100 people would arrive here. They are all members from different places.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. So what is the programme now?]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Tomorrow from 2 p.m. there will be a conference called Gita sammelana. It will go on tomorrow and the day after tomorrow also. I have also said that tomorrow evening about one and half hours, we would like to see all of your films, and hear kirtana etc.]

Prabhupada: So, Tamala Krsna?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Who has got these films, you can...

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I'm going to arrange it with Aksayananda Maharaja. The temple has everything here.

Prabhupada: Call Aksayananda Maharaja.

Tamala Krsna: All right.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. We will arrange it in the temple only. We all sit down there and hear kirtana. We will also watch the film 'New Vrindavana'. It is very nice.]

Prabhupada: Just see our activities all over the world.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Everyone knows about it. People from all parts of the country are coming here. From Pondichery one member of Aurobindo society will come. Navajatji.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. He is the head of the Aurobindo Society.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. He is the President now. He is also coming here from Pondichery.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. And Vinobhaji?]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Vinobhaji does not go out anywhere. Many members who are engaged in the act of spreading Gita are coming. They all want to see...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. There is a good field, to preach the message of Gita there is a good field.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. There is a field.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This I am telling from my own experience. Alone I did whatever I could. If it is done with a combined effort it will be very big.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. It will be very big.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. You have done a marvelous job.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. You have made a miracle. In last ten or eleven years, you told me before, we are very much amazed. In such a short time how you have...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. In the whole world...]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. In the whole world it will spread.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. People are taking. In Africa, now in South Africa.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. In South Africa?]

Prabhupada: Is it not South Africa?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: [Transl. In South Africa, they hate Indians so much.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. They hate so much. There they don't allow anyone.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Gandhiji worked very hard for this.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. But he was not successful.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. He was not successful.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. General Smatt did not give any attention. Now things have changed there.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. I see. Your moment has started there now?]

Prabhupada: Why don't you show them the South African report?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. We want to see what is happening in South Africa. In South Africa there is still no political system. They are not ready to hear India's views.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What to speak of politics, they have put Indians in such a place to live which is like a slaughterhouse.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Like slaughterhouse.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They are kept in a place where the local people scream whole night like animals.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. They have been given such a place to live.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. So that they run away.]

Tamala Krsna: This is a temple that was built there. We have a big farm there as well as two temples. This is one of the temples.

Sri Narayana: Where in South Africa? Natal?

Tamala Krsna: Near Durban.

Sri Narayana: Near Durban. I see.

Tamala Krsna: And they had fifteen thousand people attending at the Janmastami celebration. Here you see some go-pūja.

Prabhupada: [Transl. This I can tell you that there is so much field for our culture...]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes, Very much.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. ...if you can give them then the whole world will be benefitted. And our glory will be enhanced. India's glory. This is our humble request to all of you.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. You don't have to request. You have done so much and it should continue. It should spread everywhere.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This is my inner desire that people,] Without culture they're suffering. If you want to mitigate their sufferings, this is Gita culture.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Gita culture.]

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. That is my experience. [Transl. Now you can see this yourself. But there is huge field, they will accept widely. The same thing is in Africa also. They are just like animals, but they also chant and dance. Europeans are buying our books so much.] We have sold this Caitanya-caritamrta even in Russian countries.

Sri Narayana: Russian countries.

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. This is Caitanya-caritamrta.]

Sri Narayana: Gita Caritamrta.

Bhakti-caru: This is Caitanya-caritamrta in seventeen volumes.

Tamala Krsna: Here are some of our African publications, Srila Prabhupada, published in Swahili.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Really?]

Prabhupada: African,

Sri Narayana: [Transl. African language.]

Prabhupada: Chinese, Japanese.

Sri Narayana: Russian... [Transl. You have no discrimination between this and communism. This is a great achievement. To have success in Communist country is a great thing.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Communist country has taken 30 sets of books.] This is really humanitarian.

Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Transl. Those participants who have come here, we will explain to them whatever you said. We will inform them about the activities of this society and highlight them.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I cannot come.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes, you...]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. I think you go to the temple in the morning?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. At that time all of them can take your darsana.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes,yes.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. 8:30 no?]

Sri Ramkrsna Bajaj: [Transl. At 8:30.]

Prabhupada: When I go for parikrama?

Tamala Krsna: Eight-thirty in the morning, generally.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. We will tell everyone to take darsana.]

Tamala Krsna: Then all of the participants can have darsana of Srila Prabhupada, and we also have the darsana of the Deities at that time.

Sri Narayana: Deity also. [Transl. That will be good. I have heard that you are leaving for Mayapur tomorrow. Is it not?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Have a plan, but God knows]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Have a plan?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Just have a plan.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. If you have some improvement from the Vaidyaji's medicine, that is what I was told, you will certainly improve. But during the journey you should not.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They are saying I should stay here only. Now it is up to the Lord.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. Everything will happen by the will of the Lord.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This much I can give you hint that there is so much field for Gita culture. And if it is organized then we can influence the whole world.]

Sri Narayana: Whole world.

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? We got report that the recent printing of the Bhagavad-gita will be sold out by June. One million five hundred thousand copies will have been sold in about ten months' time. Fifteen lakhs were sold in ten months just in the United States.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Fifteen lakh copies?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Just see.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes, you told me that your daily income from the book sell is 8 - 10 lakh rupees. This includes all your literatures. You told me this before in Bombay.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. One set of our Sri Caitanya-caritamrta costs Rs. 800/-]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Rs. 800/-]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. This is that?]

Bhakti-caru: Seventeen volumes, Caitanya-caritamrta, English translation.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now we have received,] How many? Fifty...

Bhakti-caru: How many sets?

Tamala Krsna: Standing orders was..., I think it was three thousand standing orders.

Prabhupada: Three thousand or five thousand... [Transl. Anyhow even if it is three thousand then how much will that be?]

Bhakti-caru: Twenty-four lakhs.

Prabhupada: Three thousand eight hundred.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Three thousand eight hundred.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. That's two and half crore. No it is twenty-four lakhs.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Twenty-four lakhs.]

Tamala Krsna: Three thousand at fifty rupees each.

Bhakti-caru: Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Svamiji, you were saying in Bombay that you were translating some literature. Have you finished it? I don't remember which literature it was? You were translating, I think it was the last chapter?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srimad-Bhagavatam]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. It was not Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srimad-Bhagavatam is already translated no?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Tenth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam is being translated.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes. It was Srimad-Bhagavatam. Is it completed?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No. It is not completed. It is going on. His health is not good so the translation work is slow.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. You said like you translate at night.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I translate at night only.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. You translate at night.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. But now my brain doesn't work properly. The brain has to be involved in the work.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. That is very true.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You can't talk rubbish.] [Everyone laughs]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. In Rishikesh your health did not improve much.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. No significant improvement]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It was in Rishikesh where my health detoriated]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. It became worst.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Then I thought if I have to die then better I go to Vrndavana. So I came to Vrndavana.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. You stayed in Vrndavana for sometimes. I think you also went to London.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Your health did not improve there.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. According to my Horoscope, there is no life span left. That is over.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now what can I say? Only God knows, Otherwise] I finished my duration of life according to horoscope.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Now you have to complete at least one hundred years of your duration of life. Is it not?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I have to do, but] in this feeble condition.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. In our country the tradition is that one should live up to one hundred twenty-five years.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now you all do it. You are all young men. I am old now. Now you will have programmes for two days.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Two days programme, Tomorrow and day after tomorrow. It will conclude on the day after tomorrow evening.]

Tamala Krsna: Here is Aksayananda Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Ah, Aksayananda Maharaja...

Aksayananda: Yes, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: The film and... What happened to...?

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, they would like to have a...

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Bhajan, Kirtana and they would like to see the film on New Vrndavana. Then one hour bhajan and kirtana tomorrow evening 9 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. After meal, from 9 o'clock. If you say we can take meal little early.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. We can take meal early also.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Then it can be from 8.30 to 10.00p.m. Many people have come from different parts of India.]

Aksayananda: [Transl. We would be very happy.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Whenever you want you tell.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. That we will take care.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. Now let him...]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. He should not be strained. We had your darsana and we are very happy about it. As soon as we arrived we came to know that you are leaving. We were thinking to meet you tomorrow morning, it is good that we met you today. Tomorrow morning we will have your darsana anyway.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. Whatever you have said at the time of inauguration, we will explain it to everyone.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. We will tell everyone about that.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Matajis are here. Your mother?]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. Yes, my mother is well now. My wife just returned from there. She is fine now.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. [to the guest ladies:] Come this side and pay your obeisances. This is Ramakrsna's wife-Vimlabai, Mataji's health is good now. She just went and met her. She is fine and living in Wardha.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I had developed a relationship with Ramakrsnaji's mother. Elder sister.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Elder sister. [Laughs] She is now eighty-six years old. She will be eighty-six in January.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This is God's grace.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. This is Madalasa. You met her before.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I cannot get up and sit down. Please excuse me for my mistakes.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. No, no. You have rendered a great service to the whole world. And you need to continue it for many more years svamiji.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You all co-operate.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Such a huge mission has been accomplished in ten or eleven years. It is simply unprecedented.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Outside India...]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Outside India?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. There was no temple whatsoever.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. There was not even a single temple.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. But now there are one hundred eight temples.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Now there are one hundred and eight temples.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. All of them are dedicated to Sri Radha-Krsna. Your, that Mayor of Bombay, what's his name?]

Tamal Krsna: [indistinct.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He visited our centers abroad.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Did he visit your centers?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. He says that such temples are not found even in India. They take so nice care of the Lord and spend so much money for Them.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. There was some problem in Bombay. Is it solved now? Ramakrsnaji told me that there was some problem about the road. I think that dispute is over now.]

Prabhupada: I do not know.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. You remember last time we had a talk with you, after that Ramakrsnaji tries very much...]

Prabhupada: What..., what happened to the Hindu...?

Sri Narayana: What is the latest about the Bombay temple [Transl. Some roads had to be constructed?]

Guest lady: [Transl. That belongs to the temple.]

Tamala Krsna: We haven't heard anything in the last two or three months, Srila Prabhupada. Giriraja hasn't... This telegram came from the former mayor-Ganatra? Ravji Ganatra? He wrote, "Pray God to give you long life to spread Indian culture in every nook and corner of the universe."

Sri Narayana: [Transl. That is from the Mayor of Bombay. It is very nice.]

Ramkrishna Bajaj: That is the feeling of all, everybody.

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Now everything will be alright Svamiji. Do not worry, the Lord will help you.]

Prabhupada: That is Bhagavan, Krsna. Ye yatha mam prapadyate [Bg 4.11].

[Sri Narayana and lady guests talking about leaving.]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. This is my another sister, this is my younger sister and this is my brother-in-law Sri Raj Narayanaji.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Where do they live?]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. They live in Delhi.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How many sisters do you have?]

Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj: [Transl. I have three sisters.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. The eldest one is Kamalabai. She lives in Bombay most of the time. And we live in Wardha most of the time.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. And what about your wife?]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. She is here. We live in Wardha. And this one is the youngest.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Okay. All of you be happy.]

Lady guest: [Transl. Your blessings.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You have done so much for the country. Para-upakara. The human form of life, this is the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, para-upakara.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Para-upakara.]

Prabhupada: Especially those who have taken birth in India...

Prabhupada: [Transl. Do you understand?]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anyone who has take birth in India, should make his life perfect and do good to others.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. Do good to others.]

Prabhupada: This is Indian culture, para-upakara. Indian culture is not meant for exploiting others. Para-upakara. That is human life, para-upakara. And that is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. Bharata, especially bharata-bhūmi... [Transl. Is a holy land. One who has taken birth in that land should make his life perfect and then engage in the welfare of others.]

Sri Narayana: [Transl. So we will have your darsana tomorrow morning again in the temple.]

Devotee: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Jaya.

[kaviraja enters]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Today you talked a lot Maharaja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You talked so much today.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Oh, you are sitting here.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He has come Srila Prabhupada. He prepared the medicines and came back just now.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. How much urine did he pass today?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today it is more 540.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I am very happy.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. And clear, the last two times he passed was very clear.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This one bottle I have prepared, it is very light. I have changed some ingredients. I have to make two bottles. I engaged my assistant to help. Very good medicine. It was not possible to prepare today, but by his mercy I was able to make it. Everything was scattered. I used jaggery and fenugreek. It started dropping from 7 o'clock. I prepared this bottle. You keep it in the water. Do you have fridge here?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Keep in the fridge.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give one dose from this today.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today one dose. How much quantity one dose should be?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Half an ounce.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Means two spoons]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, four spoons.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Four small spoons.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Four big spoons. No harm.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Four big spoonfull. Okay. Should I give him now?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The swelling in the eyes is less. Didn't you notice?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. Swelling is less in the eyes. There was swelling in the legs.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Was it more?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Little, but you see]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You didn't apply Narkachur today? No, it is not more. It seems you didn't apply today.]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. No Narkachur today?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh no. Because he was sleeping at noon time.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So what? You apply while he is lying down. Medicines should not be missed.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I was afraid of disturbing his sleep.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He falls sleep within minutes and wakes up within minutes.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. In the evening we gave him oil massage.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. ya nisa sarva-bhūtanam / tasyam jagarti samyami / yasyam jagrati bhūtani / sa nisa pasyato muneḥ Not much.]

Tamala Krsna: It's going down.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Today he looks little better.]

Adri-dharana: [Transl. Urine is more today.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Very good. He will pass like that.]

Tamala Krsna: The main thing we saw today, Prabhupada passed more urine than ever before, and very clear-colored.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Is the ticket booked for day after tomorrow?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Day after tomorrow, there is no news from Delhi till now. Our telephone is also out of order.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I see.]

Bhakti-caru: The telephone is out of order. He was wondering...

Tamala Krsna: Whether we got the reservations or not.

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Kaviraja: [Transl. What did you give him today to eat? See, there are blisters in the hands.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. There is still some swelling. Before it was less than now.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He has talked too much today. He should not be speaking so much.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. It puts pressure on the heart.]

Tamala Krsna: What is that?

Bhakti-caru: Said Prabhupada shouldn't speak so much.

Tamala Krsna: Phew. Yes.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Do you know them?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. I don't know them personally. I have heard Sriman Narayana's name.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. One of them was Sriman Narayana and the other one was Sri Ramakrsna Bajaj. Bajaj Electricals. His wife, two sisters and brother-in-law.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Svamiji, these people are also beggars. They pray every day, O Lord, let me have one mill, two mills, four mills. [Prabhupada laughs] But I think they are nothing in front of you. You are an exalted personality.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I am also a beggar.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I am also a beggar.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. You didn't do anything for yourself. Do you have any house of your own? Do you have 2 to 4 lakhs of rupees in your personal account? No, nothing. Now it appears that you are like the father of the whole world. Just like Mahatma Gandhi was the father of the nation. Whatever work you have done and the way you have trained so many children you will remain immortal in the pages of History. Now do not be in illusion about your astrological chart. You still have duration of life left, I am telling you this. I say this because the medicines are working on you perfectly. That's why I have full faith. I have faith in God. Yesterday I had a dream in which I saw you in a divine form. Therefore, actually from so many months the diseases have been jammed together. It will take time to get rid… The medicine that I give you is very slow medicine, because if I give more doses it might cause reaction.]

[whispering in background]

Prabhupada & Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So I thought you rather get well after a few days, no problem. Slowly, slowly there will be progress. After three days there will be progress.]

Bhaki-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

Tamala Krsna: Slowly but surely.

Kaviraja: [Transl. What did you give him to eat today?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. This morning I gave Barley and milk.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Very good.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Then I gave grapes juice.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What about cough?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He has no cough now. That's why I did give him the medicine.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Actually he doesn't have cough. He simply thinks like that, I know. Svamiji, you don't have cough. Now give up this pastime of being sick. Stop this business and serve mankind. This is my request. Benefit the whole world. It is impossible that today you have cough and tomorrow there is no sign of cough at all.]

Bhakti-caru: [chuckling] He's saying it's impossible, that Srila Prabhupada, that he had cough today, and tomorrow there is no sign of it. So these are all Srila Prabhupada's pastimes, his own doings.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Today in a short while give him some ark, because he might go to sleep as he has spoken a lot today. He becomes tired very quickly.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. In the evening also he took barley and milk.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That's good. You continue to give him barley and milk and he will gain strength from it.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Strength, It is grain. It will go out through urine. There is no problem.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. The important thing is that today he drank milk, but he had no problem.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay. Did he pass stool today?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today he passed little stool.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Passed? Very good. Now he will get back his appetite.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. If he passes stool once a day, he will gradually have appetite to eat.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay. Today he ate some Gourd sabji at noon.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Very good.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He said he liked it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. My idea was that you get well in fifteen days and then I will take you further. But you have a desire so I made this programme of going along with you. Nothing will happen. You will reach there safely. This is my self confidence. Also I have full faith in my medicine. After I give you...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. But you will not stay here for fifteen days.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I will not be here. If needed I will come back again. I cannot stay. Diwali is coming in a few days time.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. When is Diwali?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Diwali is on 7th]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I came here only for 2 days. I thought after 1 or 2 days I will come back. That's why I didn't bring enough cloth. I inquired there about Maharaja's problems. But I didn't get the exact situation. If I knew, I would have come here with ark and other things.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Nobody knew, it is not possible to say much in telephone.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You should have talked to me over the telephone so that I would have asked about the whole picture. But you didn't know me.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. I didn't know you.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. See. The quantity of urine has automatically increased from 300 to 500. Same medicine.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. It is more than 500. It is 540. Try if you can increase it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, I will not try to increase. If passing of urine is too much then potassium goes out of the body.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I save the urine tomorrow morning?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. I will see it. I must see. Tomorrow I would also like to see the stool.]

Bhakti-caru: In the morning you have to save the urine.

Tamala Krsna: Which time? The latest possible one.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Of what time in the morning?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What time does he pass stool?]

Tamala Krsna: 'Cause he passes urine sometimes two times in the morning, or three.

Bhakti-caru: For last few days, at times he's passing at four o'clock and then again at about six o'clock.

Tamala Krsna: So which one of those two?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Did he pass at noon time today?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He passes from time to time whole day.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. stool?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. Stool.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Urine you save the first time he passes in the morning like four or five o'clock.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. 12 o'clock noon time.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Just now I was talking to her, is she his sister?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. It was 12 o'clock at night. I forgot.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I think the swelling in the eyes will reduce in 3/4 days.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. It looks little less.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Little swelling is always there in his eyes. That's his nature. Same thing with his sister also. So far the extra swelling is concerned, the more the swelling reduces, it means his kidney is working better. What the arrangement is all about? Srimad-Bhagavatam?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No. There will be Gita conference here.]

Tamala Krsna: Gita Pratisthana. Big conference.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Will it be tomorrow?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Tomorrow and day after tomorrow.]

Tamala Krsna: Two days. Two-day conference.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Two days conference. You also come.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Surely. Where?]

Bhakti-caru: Where is the conference?

Tamala Krsna: It will be in the gurukula building at two o'clock tomorrow afternoon.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. It will be two o'clock in the afternoon tomorrow in the gurukula building. There is a hall where it has been arranged. If I can't go then I will send someone to bring you. Today you must be very tired. You have to take rest.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Actually I don't have assistant with me here. I have to do everything myself. He has also worked very nicely.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh, Yes.? Obeisances. He is a good boy.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Medicine No. 2, …]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I have not given medicine no. 2 yet. I will give now.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. With that you give the ark also.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I mix together and give?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. Mix it with honey and give him. Did you give him decoction?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Decoction? Decoction is given. I gave at about 5 o'clock.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You don't tell me all this. Did you mix punarnava root in it?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I did not have roots, so I mixed punarnava leaves only.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. If you find roots then use that. Roots are better.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So Doctor Sir? Is he not a Doctor?] [referring to Svarūpa Damodara].

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, he's a doctor of Physics.]

Tamala Krsna: Chemistry.

Bhakti-caru: Oh, chemistry.

Kaviraja: [Transl. See? he fell asleep? Sometimes he sleeps and sometimes he is awake.]

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I give you little medicine?]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give him. ausadham jahnavi toyam. As Ganges water is pure, similarly medicine is also pure. [pause] Svamiji, today you took juice, did you feel good taste?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Little bit.]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, you also ate a little bit of vegetable, and you said there was a little taste today, I think. [to Svarūpa Damodara:] You can tell him. Some vegetable.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes, he said. [Transl. He ate some vegetable.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He will eat. In a day or two he will also eat rice, he will also eat sabji. Today urine was 500cc?]

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes. 500 cc, urine.

Tamala Krsna: The Ayurvedic science is very perfect. But the difficulty is that until now we could not find a doctor who understood the science.

Kaviraja: [Transl. The main difficulty is to prepare the correct medicine. Very difficult.]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Now I brought medicines with me and it was very difficult.]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. Takes so much time also.]

Tamala Krsna: What did he say?

Svarūpa Damodara: He said that the difficulty is to make the medicine. It takes time and...

Tamala Krsna: Yes, that's...

Kaviraja: [Transl. This is special for Kidney.]

Svarūpa Damodara: It is for kidney, special.

Tamala Krsna: [looking at medicine] Phew. What is it made from?

Kaviraja: [Transl. It contains twenty-two medicinal herbs.]

Tamala Krsna: What is that made from? Srila Prabhupada, Shastriji has made very nice medicine for you-very, very nice. What is that from?

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. How many ingredients are there?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. It has twenty-two herbs.]

Svarūpa Damodara: Twenty-two ingredients.

Tamala Krsna: Distilled.

Kaviraja: [Transl. It is made with Distilled water.]

Tamala Krsna: No one will take the time anymore these days. How is it given? How is this given?

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. How, how should it be taken?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You have to take it orally. One dose. One dose is one ounce.]

Svarūpa Damodara: Drink. One dose. One, once.

Tamala Krsna: Phew. This is the science. This is real medicine. It took him seven, eight hours to make this, twenty-two ingredients distilled. He has to distill the water first. Twenty-two ingredients. It's very nice, isn't it?

Kaviraja: [Transl. From tomorrow give him... [indistinct]]

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada? [Transl. I give you little medicine. Please lick it.]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Open your mouth.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give him little water.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Little water Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Kaviraja: [Transl. What happened?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It's okay.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Is it like water? This medicine?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This is distilled. It has twenty-two ingredients in it.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Tamala Krsna: This is for the kidneys?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. Vrkka-sanjivani. In our Ayurveda the kidney is called Vrkka.]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. Vrik?]

Bhakti-caru: Vrkka. V-r-i-k-k-a.

Kaviraja: [Transl. In Urdu it is called Gurda. And in Allopath it is called kidney.]

Bhakti-caru: The Sanskrit name for kidney is vrkka.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Vrkka-sanjivanayarak.]

Tamala Krsna: Vrkka-sanjivani-aya.

Bhakti-caru: No, sanjivani-araka. Araka means extract, and sanjivani means...

Kaviraja: [Transl. This medicine revives a damaged Vrkka or kidney.]

Tamala Krsna: What does that mean, "extractive"?

Bhakti-caru: Yes. Extract, to revitalize the kidney. No, medicine for revitalizing the kidney. [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, should I put off the light?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. If you want.]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, would you like a little soft kirtana?

Prabhupada: No. Now let me take rest.

Tamala Krsna: Take rest. Okay, Srila Prabhupada. [end]