Room Conversation – October 31, 1977, Vṛndāvana
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771031R1-Vrindavan [86:33 Minutes]
How many men, they have come?
Tamala Krsna: ...may request him that "Since you feel that it is very important that Prabhupada gain a little more strength, you kindly wait about two more days, and let us go like that." In other words, we're not overly eager to leave tomorrow. If the kaviraja were willing to stay here for ten days more, we'd be very happy, and then after ten days we'd go with him.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Huh. If he agrees to stay a couple more days, we should take advantage of that to give you more time to gain strength. Not that we're overly eager to rush out of here. Our point is that we want to go where he is, that we want you to remain under his treatment. That is our point. If he was willing to stay...
Prabhupada: No, no, if after all he wants to go, why not leave earlier?
Tamala Krsna: Because the whole idea of going is that the medicine is supposed to be having effect. So the longer we have for the medicine to take effect, the stronger you should become. And the stronger you become, the easier will be the journey. It would only be a question of one or two days extra, because in any case he'll want to leave after a few days. [break]
Prabhupada: ...some rest, back side, I can sit down.
Bhavananda: Something to rest against on his back. Then he can sit.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, and in any case we were going to purchase three seats for you, for Your Divine Grace, so that you can lay down conveniently in the plane also. No harm in taking... Because one thing you have to remember: the entire journey will take ten hours, so you should conserve your strength by laying down as far as possible. Here you can sit up for two hours because the bed is stationary, and then you can always be resting. But this will be a ten-hour journey. So we should try to take every possible means to allow you to be comfortable the whole way and to relax as much as possible.
Prabhupada: Give me some rest, back side.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Bhavananda: Just setting it up, Srila Prabhupada.
[aside:] We just have to move your bag. [break]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You discuss about that.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I agree.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. You agree? But I like to take you only after ten to fiteen days. When you start to walk, when swelling reduces.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. But in this condition, according to medical consideration, it is not proper to take him. I can take him, I can reach him there, this much I can do as I have full faith in my medicine. I will give such medicine that he will remain fit for ten, twelve hours. But in this present condition, he is extremely weak, and the climate here is much better than the climate there. This is the point. Here the climate is dry.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. His main disease is being treated and slowly he will be cured. There is no problem with that. Now his cough is just a symptom and it will be taken care of immediately. His nature is very delicate. He cannot tolerate coughing. If he passes stool more than two times he cannot tolerate. To take care of these secondary symptoms I will instruct my assistant. Don't worry, there will be no problem. Main diagnosis is already done and I will prepare the medicines for that. As he takes ark regularly, his kidney will function better. When his kidney works nicely, his appetite will come. And when there is appetite his food will be digested. So the condition will change and improve on a day to day basis, from today to tomorrow, from tomorrow to day after tomorrow like that.]
Tamala Krsna: But the fact is that no matter how expert one may be, sometimes the body reacts in a certain way. Sometimes the body may react in a way which was not foreseen. And then we are at the mercy of this assistant. And that we do not want. This assistant is... We are not very anxious about him.
Kaviraja: [Transl. The thing is that the medicines that I have given him, so far there has not been any bad effect. It has been good so far. I have already been here three days and tomorrow again I will examine him. Actually the effect of the medicine, if there is any, will be immediately and not later on.]
[kaviraja interrupts]
Prabhupada: [Transl. If you are giving guarantee for twelve hours then in twelve hours we will reach Mayapur.]
Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Whenver Prabhupada travels in this condition, we arrange a big car like Mercedes, Shafole. We put mattress in the back seat and that way we arrange a place for his sleeping. Prabhupada travels like that while lying down. And those cars are also very good because they don't jerk. It is a smooth riding.]
Tamala Krsna: We'll drive slowly. Then we'll have a wheelchair at the airport. The car will go right up to the plane and the wheelchair... We'll carry Prabhupada right into a seat, and he can lay down in the three seats. Then again we'll take him off the plane. Immediately he'll lay down in the car and go to Mayapur.
Prabhupada: [Transl. Hum?]
Kaviraja: [Transl. I was wondering that from the climatic condition his health would have improved here.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. About medicines, yesterday I spent three, four hours. Today I have solved that problem. I have prepared medicines for twenty days for him. That ark will gradually help improve his kidney function. Last night it took me three, four hours. Now I will go and spend about six hours to prepare the medicine. It is not in my house. I have to go out look for them and collect.]
Bhakti-caru: No, he didn't say it in that relation also. He just said... I told him that medicine is a big problem. [Transl. Maharaja is saying, he thinks that you will give medicine for twenty days and go away. If it is like that, see twenty days is a long time, either every day or every alternative day someone should check him.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Now he will gradually progress. Now for example, last three days I have been observing no deterioration only improvement.]
Kaviraja: Progress.
Kaviraja: [Transl. His health is good. His health will go on improving. The climate there is good for him. As far as his health improvement is concerned, what will take ten days here, will take twenty days to one month there. This is due to the climatic condition. That's why I was hasitant.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. In Bengal, Mayapur climate is better than Bengal. Bengal is a state no? Oh, it is Anupadesa and he has mucus problem. In Anupadesa the air and mucus increase.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Bengal is Anupadesa, here it is Misradesa and Rajasthan is Jangaldesa. Jaṅgaldesa is even better than here. The climate there is like Swizerland.]
Prabhupada: So you arrange tomorrow?
Kaviraja: Okay.
Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, see it is less? There are wrinkles in the skin. The swelling is less. The swelling of hand.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. The biggest relief for him is when he starts to pass more urine. Passing more urine is the sign of improved health.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Coughing stopped at night.]
Prabhupada: Hum?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Dab? I don't feel like]
[kaviraja interrupts]
Satadhanya: It was soft and a medium amount.
Satadhanya: It was brown, dark brown.
Kaviraja: Huh? Brown-colored.
Satadhanya: And it was soft.
Satadhanya: It was soft.
Prabhupada: [Transl. For eating, I am taking fruit juice. That is my desire, what else?]
Satadhanya: [Transl. Barley and Horlicks.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I take milk and barley.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. No, there will be no cough. What happened yesterday was by chance. He needs to get some strength. He must take some grain. Barley is a grain. It is a food grain meant for the sages, Maharaja. This yava or barley is arsa grain or pertaining to the sages. Our great sages like Visvamitra, Jamadagni, Bharadvaja used to eat this grain.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. How much barley and how much milk you tell us.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. Two spoons. When it is cooked or boiled then you strain it. Then you mix it with milk and give him.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Boil until all the water burns out. After it is boiled you strain it and give him. There will be no mucus or anything.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. That's a tonic, Heart tonic. General tonic. Maharajaji was saying something about Makaradhvaja, it is a tonic as good as Makaradhvaja.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Let's go]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Another thing is that I was also considering the climatic condition and I remembered yasya desasya yo jantus / tajja tasyausadham hitam [Wherever this material body is born, climatic condition of that place becomes especially favorable for it.] Just like I am from Rajasthan, so whether of Rajasthan will suit me.This is the consideration of the earth element. Therefore it is the desire of Lord Balarama and Krsna that let us go and everything will be alright.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Now there is no need to make further changes. Let us keep our faith on you. If I die that's alright….]
Kaviraja: [Transl. So far my intelligence goes and what I have understood there is no better treatment for you in Ayurveda than this. This is my understanding. Off course there might be more educated and experienced person than me. But I will not leave any deficit in my treatment to you. I also hope that you will be cured.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Alright. Then do like that.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Only thing is that please try to eat little by little. I will try to improve your health by my medicine, but you please co-operate this much. Because, if no grains go inside or any solid food goes inside the stomach….]
Prabhupada: [Transl. For grain milk and barley I am taking.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Oh, that's good. Even if you can not take rice etc, you can increase the quantity of barley and milk gradually.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Less than half. You mix milk in it and it becomes very nutricious. Anyone who takes barley in the morning regularly never becomes weak. Barley is very good food.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Sure, take him. You said you will reserve three seats in the plane. Are they separate seats?
Kaviraja: [Transl. No, no. Three seats this side and three seats on the other side. It was like that in Caravelle. May be in the Boeing plane there is two by three.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Did you come by Boeing?]
Kaviraja: [Transl. I always travel, but I did not find any difference. Both are similar. Nothing special.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. This time we will fly by Boeing, because that way within four hours we can complete the journey.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. By Boeing?]
Kaviraja: [Transl. Boeing flies directly. It will reach in two hours and ten minutes. And the other one takes four hours. So we will directly go there and from there two to three hours, the vehicle will move slowly and it may be four hours to reach Mayapur. From Dumdum.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]
Kaviraja: [Transl. I will prepare and take with me. Did you soak in water those medicines I bought?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. If you are deciding to go tomorrow then what is the need of preparing medicine?]
[lots of indistinct background conversation among devotees]
[Prabhupada being bathed]
[aside:] You can inform the temple that Prabhupada will go on parikrama.
Prabhupada: Hmm. [break]
Bhavananda: ...over there. We'll bring fresh gaṅga-jala every day. Sweetest. When I was on the boat preaching, I never drank anything but gaṅga-jala. I took my bath in the Gaṅga three times a day. So spiritually enlivening.
Prabhupada: Three times you were taking?
Bhavananda: My bath.
Prabhupada: Oh. When your date for appearing in the court?
Bhavananda: Twenty-ninth of December, which is the appearance day of your Guru Maharaja, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. We have to appear that day.
Prabhupada: Twenty-ninth December.
Bhavananda: Twenty-ninth December.
Bhavananda: Long way.
Bhavananda: In Krishnanagar. The magistrate who is hearing the case is a real gentleman-very kind, understanding. He had been to Mayapur about three or four months before this incident. He came with his wife and children. We gave him very nice prasadam and showed him the movie "Hare Krsna People." And on the twenty-fifth of November, that's Rasa-purnima festival, and that is big day at Mayapur. In three days probably over half million people will come to the temple. We sell so many books, magazines. It never used to be like that, Srila Prabhupada, until you built this center. Now the Rasa-purnima festival has turned into a big, big event in Bengal. Everyone comes to Mayapur on, like, pilgrimage, just like Dol-purnima. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people, they come. Twenty-fifth of November.
Prabhupada: [Transl. Smiles. Your blessings.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Really Maharaja. Your intelligence is fixed and your mind is joyful. Your heart is also blissful. Whatever verses you are quoating, your conclusion is correct. Your spiritual body has become very strong and therefore you are destined to go to Goloka. There, under the shelter of the spiritual master, you will reside in the association of Guru, Gauraṅga, Gandharvika Giridhari. Here in this world you have established many Mathas and Temples, you have installed many Deities and delivered many fallen souls. This is the proof.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. The most important thing is...]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I am ready to do...]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Yes. You will develop Yoga Pitha. You install the deities of Srila Prabhupada, Bhakti Vinoda Thakura, Gaura Kisoradasa Babaji, Jagannatha Dasa Babaji, Pancatattva Deities are already there and, so you dedicate this service unto the lotus feet of your spiritual master. People are disregarding the sannyasa order of life, you refute it with evidence. You introduce your western devotees to the devotees of the eastern country in saṅkirtana movement. Bhakti Vinoda Thakura has said in Caitanya-siksamrta that devotees from the west and east should mix together in the saṅkirtana. Your deity form and Srila Prabhupada's deity form should be established.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. You do it as soon as possible. It is possible by you only and no one else. Srila Prabhupada and Mahaprabhu blessed you to accomplish many important missions. This service will be done by you only. If this is done then it will be complete. There will be books. The devotees can assemble there and perform kirtana, they can sit and take prasada. What else you need? There can be bhajan kutirs of the acaryas. Dark complexioned devotees and white complexioned devotees will perform Hari-kirtana together at Yoga-pitha. You arrange to hang a large bell there. Every hour the bell should be rung and the sound of which will be heard all over Navadvipa. In the early morning I used to loudly chant 'jaya dhvani' and people from Godruma could hear it. People used to wake up from sleep after hearing our sound. Besides, Yoga-pitha is siddha-pitha or a spiritually sanctified spot. Listen to this. One time Srila Prabhupada started his parikrama in Mathura Vrndavana. At that time Vanamali Prabhu was at Yoga-pitha. He used to do puja. One Muslim came to pass stool. As he was about to pass stool, someone beat him up and he started shouting. Nityananda Prabhu was at Yoga-pitha, he took a stick and chased him. Later the Muslim man confessed-I didn't come to steal, I came to pass stool. But look these marks, somebody beat me up. adyapiha sei lila kare gauraraya / kona kona bhagyavan dekhibare paya [Caitanya-bhagavata, Madhya-lila 10] "Lord Gauraṅga Mahaprabhu performs His transcendental pastimes even now. Those who are very, very fortunate are able to witness these pastimes even today." There are many experienced devotees live there and do their bhajan and service. That is a holy place. No other holy place can be compared to it. We meditate, we chant mantras, but first we meditate on the abode of Navadvipa. pratah sriman-navadvipe dvi-netram dvi-bhujam gurum [In the morning, one should remember the spiritual master as being situated in Sri Navadvipa, having two eyes and two arms] First one should meditate on the spiritual master and then one should meditate on Gauraṅga, followed by meditation of Vrndavana. The development of Mayapur will be done by you. No one else will be able to do it. I have one request. You will go to Mayapur. I will stay here in Vrndavan in a solitary place. Kindly arrange for my food and drink.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. So stay here.]
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Rupees?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Instead of taking money you come here and stay with us.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Here Maharaja, I will not be able to talk to anybody, I can't understand what they say and they won't understand what I say. My nature is different and their nature is different. That is why it is not possible to adjust with them. I respect them, I come here often and look after, but I don't feel like staying here and do my bhajana. Whatever is convenient, if you feel like you can give me the money.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Where will you stay?]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Yes, they will give. They will provide me food. Not medicine, conveyence etc. For that I would require money. Also for emergency as nowadays the condition is not so good. It is difficult to get even a few paisa. They will give. They will look after. But if it can be arranged it will be great help for me.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You like to stay independently.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Hmm. In Mayapur.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In Mayapur, we have so many rooms.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. What if you stay there in a separate room? There if you want to cook of your own, that arrangement can be made.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Rice, Dal and whatever else you need. You take a small room in the new building on the second floor and live there.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. And if you look after little bit.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. To give cash money every month…]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. And in Mayapur if you take a room and live independently and cook your own food then we will provide everything like rice, dal to you.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. To give cash, is a little burden I feel.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. And to supply commodities is not very difficult. We grow our own food grains and vegetables.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. And the rooms are also very nice.]
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: [Transl. You bless me.]
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: [Transl. No mistake. We give him sixty rupees.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Their time is not so good nowadays.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. To construct wall with bricks. God knows what they are doing.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Finished?]
Prabhupada & Ananda Prabhu: gauda-mandala-bhumi yeva jane cintamani, tara haya braja-bhume vasa [ Song 38- Savarana-Gaura-mahima(The Glories of Lord Gauraṅga ) gauraṅgera duti pada ja'ra dhana sampada se jane bhakati-rasa-sara gauraṅgera madhura-lila jara karne pravesila hrdaya nirmala bhela ta'ra je gauraṅgera nama laya ta'ra haya premodaya tare muni jai balihari gauraṅga-gunete jhure nitya-lila tare sphure se jana bhakati-adhikari gauraṅgera saṅgi-gane nitya-siddha kari mane se jaya brajendra-suta-pasa sri-gauda-mandala-bhumi jeba jane cintamani tara haya braja-bhume vasa gaura-prema-rasarnave se taraṅge jeba dube se radha-madhava-antaraṅga grhe va vanete thake ha gauraṅga bale dake narottama mage ta'ra saṅga PURPORT by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada This is a song by Narottama dasa Thakura in praise of the glories of Lord Caitanya. Gauraṅga refers to Lord Caitanya, who has a fair complexion. One who has a fair complexion is called gaura, and since Lord Caitanya was very fair, just like molten gold, He was also named Gaurasundara. Narottama dasa Thakura says, gauraṅgera duti pada, jara dhana-sampada, se jane bhakati-rasa-sara. Anyone who has accepted the two lotus feet of Lord Caitanya can understand the true essence of devotional service. Devotional service is very difficult. It cannot be understood by any ordinary man. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, out of many thousands of persons who are trying to achieve the perfection of human life, only some actually become perfect and realise the self. And out of many thousands of such self-realised persons, only one can understand Krsna. Without understanding Krsna, how can one engage himself in the service of Krsna? Therefore, the devotional service of Krsna is not an ordinary thing. But fortunately, if one follows in the footsteps of Lord Caitanya (gauraṅgera duti pada) by following the path shown by Lord Caitanya-the process of simply chanting Hare Krsna-he can very easily understand what devotional service is. Therefore, Narottama dasa Thakura prays that one take shelter of Lord Caitanya and follow in His footsteps, for then one can understand the essence of devotional service. Lord Caitanya's pastimes are very pleasing, because the basic principles of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's movement are chanting, dancing, and eating krsna-prasada. He made His headquarters in Jagannatha Puri and would dance, chant, and then immediately call for prasada to be distributed to the devotees. They were so pleased that every day hundreds of men would come to chant and dance with Lord Caitanya. The temple proprietor, the King of Orissa, Maharaja Prataparudra, had an open order to the workers in the temple to supply as much prasada to Lord Caitanya's devotees as they wanted. Therefore, His pastimes are very pleasing-chant, dance, and take prasada. If one is captivated by the pastimes of Lord Caitanya, simply by chanting and dancing and eating prasada, the dirty things in his heart will all become cleansed. The heart of anyone who takes to this movement of chanting, dancing, and eating krsna-prasada will surely be cleansed of all dirty material contamination. Narottama dasa Thakura says, very rightly, gauraṅgera madhura-lila, ja'ra karne pravesila, hrdaya nirmala bhela ta'ra: if one wants to cleanse his heart, he must take to the movement of Lord Caitanya-Krsna consciousness. Lord Caitanya is so nice that one who simply takes the holy name of Gaurasundara, Sri Krsna Caitanya, will immediately develop love of God. Generally, devotees first chant sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda, for the preliminary process of cleansing the heart is to invoke the mercy of Lord Caitanya, Lord Nityananda and Their associates. Lila means "pastimes." Without associates there cannot be pastimes, so Caitanya Mahaparabhu is always accompanied by associates-Nityananda, Advaita, Gadadhara, Srivasa, and many other devotees. Tara means "his," haya means "it is effected," and premadaya refers to development of love of God. Simply by chanting sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda one immediately develops love of God. To such a person Narottama dasa Thakura says, "Bravo!" to encourage him in chanting Lord Caitanya's name and dancing. Just as we clap and say, "Bravo!" similarly he says, jai balihari "Very nice, Excellent!" Then he says, gauraṅga-gunete jhure, nitya-lila ta're sphure: if one appreciates the merciful pastimes of Lord Caitanya and feels ecstasy and sometimes cries, this process will immediately help him to understand the pastimes of Radha-Krsna, which are called nitya-lila. The loving affairs between Radha-Krsna are not a temporary things. Here in this material world we can see loving affairs between boys and girls, but that is temporary. That is simply for a few months, a few years, or maybe a little more. But then all that so-called love will go to hell. They are not permanent affairs. But if one really wants permanent love affairs, he must enter into the pastimes of Radha-Krsna. Simply by appreciating Lord Caitanya's movement one can immediately enter into or understand Radha-Krsna's eternal pastimes. One who can understand the transcendental, eternal pastimes of Radha-Krsna reaches the highest perfectional stage of devotional service. The next line is, gauraṅgera saṅgi-gane. Saṅgi-gane means "associates." Lord Caitanya is always associated: He is not alone. We never see a picture of Lord Caitanya alone. At least there must be Lord Nityananda or Gadadhara Pandita. Actually, wherever Lord Caitanya was present, many thousands of devotees would assemble. Such devotees, especially those who were His nearest intimate associates, were nitya-siddha. In the devotional line there are three kinds of perfect devotees. One is called sadhana-siddha. This refers to a person who has very rigidly performed the regulative prescriptions and thereby reached the perfectional stage. Reaching the perfectional stage by executing the regulative principles is called sadhana-siddha. There is another kind of devotee who is called krpa-siddha. He may not have executed the regulative principles very rigidly, but by his service mood he is specifically blessed by the spiritual master or Krsna. He is immediately promoted to the perfectional stage. This is called krpa-siddha. Nitya-siddha is one who was never contaminated by the material nature. The sadhana-siddhas and the krpa-siddhas were supposed to have once been in the contamination of material nature, but nitya-siddhas never came into contact with the material nature. All the associates of Caitanya Mahaprabhu are nitya-siddhas, or eternally perfect. Nityananda Prabhu is Balarama, the immediate expansion of Krsna; Advaita Prabhu is Maha-Visnu (He is also visnu-tattva); Gadadhara Prabhu is an expansion of Radharani; and Srivasa is an incarnation of Narada. They are nitya-siddha, or eternally perfect. They were never imperfect. They were never in contact with material contaminati
on. We should understand that as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Krsna Himself, is transcendental, similarly His personal associates are also nitya-siddha, or eternally transcendental. Se jay brajendra-suta-pas. Brajendra-suta means Krsna. Simply by accepting that the associates of Lord Caitanya are eternally free, one can immediately be promoted to the transcendental abode of Lord Krsna. Sri-gauda-mandala-bhumi. Gauda means West Bengal. Lord Caitanya appeared in West Bengal, Navadvipa, and He especially flooded that part of the country with the saṅkirtana movement. That part of the country has special significance for it is non-different from Vrndavana. It is as good as Vrndavana. Living in Vrndavana and living in Navadvipa are the same. Narottama dasa Thakura says, sri-gauda-mandala-bhumi, jeba jane cintamani. Cintamani means the transcendental abode. ta'ra haya braja-bhume bas. If one simply understands that this land of Navadvipa is not different from Vrndavana, then he actually lives in Vrndavana. One should not think that he is living in Bengal or any material country; the places where Lord Caitanya had His pastimes are as good as Vrndavana. Lord Caitanya's distribution of this love of God is compared with an ocean (rasarnava). What kind of ocean? Not the salty ocean that one cannot taste. The water of this ocean is so nice that if one drinks even one drop, he will like it more and more. It is not ordinary ocean water, of which one cannot taste even a drop. Therefore it is called rasarnava. In this ocean there are different waves; an ocean does not stand still, for it is not impersonal or void. And as the ocean is always dancing with waves, similarly the ocean of transcendental love of Krsna as introduced by Lord Caitanya has constant waves, constant sound. One has to dive deep into that ocean. If one knows the secret and says, "Let me dive deep into the ocean of the transcendental loving movement introduced by Lord Caitanya," he immediately becomes one of the confidential devotees of Radha and Krsna. Therefore Narottama dasa Thakura concludes this song by saying, grhe va vanete thake, 'ha gauraṅga' bale dake. It is not necessary that one become a mendicant or give up his family life and society. One can remain wherever he finds it suitable, whether as a householder, as a brahmacari, as a vanaprastha, or as a sannyasi. Vanaprasthas and sannyasis are supposed to live outside of the city. Vanete means "forest." Formerly, those who were in spiritual consciousness used to live in the forest to become free of the turmoil of city life. But that is not possible now. In this age no one can go into the forest. That requires practice, and no one is practised to that line. Therefore, generally one is recommended to live with his friends, wife, and children. That doesn't matter, but he must take to the process of Krsna consciousness as introduced by Lord Caitanya. It is not difficult. The real thing is that one has to accept the movement of Lord Caitanya-chanting, dancing, and eating krsna-prasada. Even if one is in family life, there is no difficulty. He can just sit down, chant Hare Krsna, dance nicely, and then take krsna-prasada. Everyone can do this. Those who have renounced this world, sannyasis, also can do it; there is no difficulty. Therefore, Narottama dasa Thakura says that it doesn't matter whether one is a brahmacari, grhastha, or sannyasi. He says, "If you have taken to these principles of life, I desire your company, because you are a devotee of Lord Caitanya." In this way, Narottama dasa Thakura finishes the song.Song by Narottama Dasa Thakura]
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: [Transl. That we can do. Humm. We sell so many books here.]
Prabhupada: Hum?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yesterday morning we sold eight hundred ruppes worth of books. Did you see all the books kept in order in the book stall?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In Mayapur also lots of books are sold. If there are no books...]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Books. Big way of preaching. People will read. sarvatra pracara-preaching everywhere Publishing and distributing of literatures is an important work. It is the desire of Sri Jiva Gosvami Prabhu. Visva Vaisnava Raja Sabha sarvatra pracara haibe mora nama-this prediction you have fulfilled. You have fulfilled the desire of Advaita Acarya Prabhu and Nityananda Prabhu. baulake kahiha,-loka ha-ila baula / baulake kahiha, hate na vikaya caula "Please inform Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is acting like a madman, that everyone here has become mad like Him. Inform Him also that in the marketplace rice is no longer in demand." Now everything is fulfilled. That's all. Everybody has become intoxicated by the chanting of the Hare Krsna Mahamantra.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Did you see the books?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Which book?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. We printed one lakh copies. They are also very enthusiastic.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. If all of us together would have done it, then it would have been done.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. If Government would have given us some facilities like making canels etc. so that the flood water could have drained out. But they don't help like that. You just cook some kichri and eat it. Is it not?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Why don't you take rice and dal from us and make kichri for yourself? Why don't you take any room you like and do your bhajana? Is there any objection?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. By paying cash, if they stop, it will bring a bad name.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. No difference. Same truth. Srila Prabhupada, Gaura Kisoradasa Babaji Maharaja, Bhakti Vinoda Thakura and Jagannatha dasa Babaji Maharaja-these four acaryas lived there. After residing in Vrndavana Jagannatha dasa Babaji Maharaja went and lived there at the end of his life. Srila Prabhupada, Gaura Kisoradasa Babaji Maharaja, Bhakti Vinoda Thakura and Jagannatha dasa Babaji Maharaja-Mayapur is their life and soul.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. How old are you now?]
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Sixty-four?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Not so old.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. No. Your health is good. I was also healthy until seventy, seventy-two years.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Your health was good up to eighty. In last two years you have become exhausted. Still your consciousness, mind, and spiritual body for cultivating devotional service are very sound. I am very happy about it Maharaja. This present body has to be given up. But the spiritual body has grown with full knowledge. This is very astonishing to all. Not everybody can understand it. With the spiritual body you will go there.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Did you see the rooms in the double storey new building?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Very nice. Whatever work they will do...]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In our childhood, they used to say foreigners are auspicious. If you meet a foreigner your day will be auspicious.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Bhakti Vinoda Thakura has said-White complexioned persons and dark complexioned persons will embrace each other and chant 'Ha Nityananda, Ha Gauraṅga.' This is Mahaprabhu's will and it will take place very soon. And you have now fulfilled that. This is written in Caitanya Siksamrta either in fifth or sixth Vrsti or chapter. You also arranged to draw pictures in Yoga-pitha. Now everything is complete. What you have done will remain forever.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Is anyone around?]
Prabhupada: Who is here?
Prabhupada: Hmm? Oh. Give him some fruits.
Upendra: Yes.
Prabhupada: Either whole fruit or...
Upendra: Either?
Prabhupada: Whatever is available.
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. About this temple? People are so happy Maharaja. Many people, the number of people come here, that many people do not go to any other temple. There are shops, rickshaws and horse carts in front of the temple. It's more crowded than the city. Foreigners temple. This is a very opulent temple. You have fulfilled everyone's desire. Even an emperor can't do like that.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In the beginning I thought who will come here so far away.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Laughs] [Transl. Now instead of going to other direction people are coming here. And after seeing the Deities here, they become astonished. Nityananda Prabhu, Gauraṅga Mahaprabhu, Krsna-Balarama & Radha-Krsna are so attractive, people gaze at Them without blinking their eyes. Every day there is a huge crowd here. They stand here and look around until the temple is closed.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. And because we have books here, good people also come.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In the other temples there are no books.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Nowadays cultured people want to hear spiritual truth.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. You fulfilled everyone's desire. A huge saṅkirtana fire you have lighted and in that fire of saṅkirtana you have engaged everyone.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I had to accept their sinful reactions. Is it not? Don't I have to digest all that? They are all mlechhas.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. You spoke so much Hari-katha, you gave advice to many people, you might have used harsh words, but you have done all that for the sake of Mahaprabhu. He has given the order. Mahaprabhu slapped Balabhadra Bhattacarya on the back and said-murkhera vakye 'murkha' haila pandita hana [Therefore I kick the head of any sinful person who disregards the glories of Lord Nityananda and dares to criticize Him.] If you have disregarded anybody, criticized anybody or called bad names to anybody, it is not your words. It is His words. You are not questionable by the people of the world. Spreading of the holy name is His mission.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I have a desire. When will you go?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. That place is very nice.]
Ananda Prabhu: [Transl. Yes. 'navadvipa'-hena grama tri-bhuvane nai / yaṅhi avatirna haila caitanya-gosani [There is no place in the three worlds like Navadvipa, where Lord Sri Caitanya appeared.] hethaya caitanya mile setha radha-krsna [Only by your mercy, my desires of attaining the shelter of Lord Caitanya here, and attaining the shelter of Radha and Krsna in the spiritual world, will be fulfilled.] [Prarthana Song 20, Narottama Dasa Thakura] By taking shelter of Mahaprabhu and Mahaprabhu's dhama there is no problem at all.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Your blessings.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Okay.]
Upendra: He's here.
Prabhupada: Give him... [break] Today you take twenty-five rupees.
Prabhupada: Twenty-five.
Tamala Krsna: Twenty-five. Okay. Remember that Gita Pratisthana conference? So it's starting tomorrow. I just happened to notice Mr. Ramkrishna Bajaj is here and Shriman Narayan is here. So probably tomorrow they'll want to come and see you.
Prabhupada: Where they are beginning?
Tamala Krsna: They're all staying in the guesthouse. They've rented the whole guesthouse. The conference is being held in the same room that they held the science conference. It's a very good credit for us that they're doing this. I just thought I would inform Your Divine Grace. So I'll just give him now twenty-five rupees.
Prabhupada: [Transl. Take twenty-five rupees from him. For your pocket-money.]
Prabhupada: Jaya.
[break]
Tamala Krsna: You know, the fact that he turned to Communism... Probably he's intelligent but frustrated. That's why they turn to this Communism. And he has a very good upbringing, so much association. I mean Vrindavan had no association, but M.M. had a lot of association, not only with Your Divine Grace but with your Guru Maharaja and Godbrothers. So perhaps with proper, little cultivation, he might...
Prabhupada: You give him the scheme and ask him, and if he wants to discuss it, please come and see me.
Prabhupada: No, no. Amendment you can give later on. You can give the scheme.
Prabhupada: You give him the scheme. Ask him to come and discuss first.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Myself?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Tamala Krsna: All right. Temple without kirtana doesn't have full life. Bhavananda Maharaja was just saying that this evening. The kirtana party from Mayapur, they went back today. Otherwise, every night they've been doing kirtana for about five hours. Today they're not here because they're returning to Mayapur. I was thinking today how you've always taken care of us so much and served us so much all of these years that now Krsna is giving us a small little opportunity to just do a little service to you.
Prabhupada: How many men, they have come?
Prabhupada: They are looking after the book?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Hundred-fifty men?
Prabhupada: Lecture?
Prabhupada: Oh.
Prabhupada: That is also kirtana.
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