Room Conversation – October 25, 1972, Vṛndāvana

721025R2-VRNDAVAN [11:43 Minutes]

The poor man, unless he gets some income, he becomes disturbed

Gurudasa: ...then I must agitate my mind either how to stop the intoxicant or how to get it.

Prabhupada: And if we get the management of this temple, that will be triumph in [indistinct] Vrndavana. It is the most important place.

Gurudasa: And actually, the man who came yesterday, this Mr. Nath and some men who come regularly, they would like to see it, because they like this...

Prabhupada: Mr. Nath?

Gurudasa: There is one man who comes every day, a Vrndavana resident.

Prabhupada: But the one thing, you know there is one physician?

Gurudasa: Printer and physician, yes?

Prabhupada: Printer also? He has published some Caitanya-caritamrta. What is his name?

Gurudasa: Yes, I know it. Hari Nama Press? The press is Hari Nama Press.

Prabhupada: The physician's name.

Gurudasa: Nagia. Dr. Nagia, N-a-g-i-a.

Prabhupada: Nagia. What is his first name?

Gurudasa: His father's name...

Prabhupada: His father's name. I gave him one set of books, Bhagavata, to sell [indistinct]. So you have to inquire from him whether it is sold. If not, return. So... [break]

Gurudasa: Sudama Vipra Maharaja has such reverence for Siddha-svarūpa, that the other students do not like that, because they think he is treating Siddha-svarūpa with respect when he should be treating you with respect. So naturally, the students love you and so they don't like that.

Prabhupada: They do not like to give him extra...

Gurudasa: Respect, at the expense of yourself.

Prabhupada: There is no such thing. They all stop[?].

Gurudasa: Yes, they are nice boys. Secondly, for some reason, they don't like..., they like to cook themselves.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Gurudasa: They like to cook for themselves. They cook without spices and similar like that, because they are thinking of their health. I gave them... I know, I can... [break]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] a nice place, a very open place. [indistinct]

Gurudasa: Very nice place.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Gurudasa: You have your choice.

Prabhupada: No, no, it's a very nice place, undoubtedly.

Gurudasa: Yes. The nicest place in Vrndavana.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Gurudasa: One of the nicest buildings. He had so many buildings in Vrndavana from his dynasty, but they have all been taken by unscrupulous pūjaris.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Gurudasa: They've been taken by unscrupulous pūjaris that are just squatting illegally. And so he says, "All right, let them have it." But this one he has kept, because it is so first class.

Prabhupada: So we shall have to deal with this pūjari.

Gurudasa: This one...

Prabhupada: Is nice?

Gurudasa: Nice, and he jumps when the Maharaja speaks. I don't think he will be [indistinct], this pūjari.

Prabhupada: He is alone, or he has got some associates?

Gurudasa: Alone.

Prabhupada: He is living with family?

Gurudasa: No.

Prabhupada: Alone.

Gurudasa: Alone.

Prabhupada: Then, satisfy him.

Gurudasa: We will retain him in some way.

Prabhupada: That's it. You retain him.

Gurudasa: That is the system, that he stays there, but we will do the pūjari work.

Prabhupada: Yes. Give him salary.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: He is being paid?

Gurudasa: I think they must be.

Prabhupada: Anyway, whatever he is being paid, we shall pay it. [indistinct]

Gurudasa: Bharatpur-raj also knows it, because he announced to this chairman of the council that he will become the gardener and they will become the pūjaris. So he is for that.

Prabhupada: The poor man, unless he gets some income, he becomes disturbed.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: He is not renounced. So let him satisfy [indistinct]. So when you are going to talk to the Maharaja?

Gurudasa: I will be going today if he sends a car. Or if not, I think I will go tomorrow. But that means I cannot go to Delhi. But I don't think... I think Manasvi and Mr. Sarkar, the engineer, can handle this deal. It's just to see if they can give another allotment.

Prabhupada: Not that everywhere you have to go. You go to the important business.

Gurudasa: So which do you think is more important-this deal or the palace? I think the palace.

Prabhupada: Anyone can purchase. But to get the palace, it requires very tactful dealing.

Gurudasa: Subala Maharaja and I are going to Mathura today to find out the position what they have done in relationship to this sanction, written sanction.

Prabhupada: From Mathura, then go to Bharatpur.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: From Mathura, Bharatpur is near.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: I think there is train or bus.

Gurudasa: There is bus, train. But the thing is, he may be sending a car here.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Gurudasa: So I am getting a message from that boy who wrote the article, with the mustache. The boy who wrote the article, he has gone to Bharatpur with that note.

Prabhupada: Oh. He is very good boy.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Just keep him as our friend. Give him nice food, prasadam. He is intelligent. He considers that aratik very nice.

Gurudasa: He has been coming since the beginning. Since we first came he has been coming.

Prabhupada: So keep him as good friend.

Gurudasa: I try to do that with everyone.

Prabhupada: Yes. Especially he is good..., very nicely inclined. He is married or not?

Gurudasa: No.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] what does he do?

Gurudasa: He lives with his father, and he goes to Bon Maharaja University.

Prabhupada: For education?

Gurudasa: Yes. But I asked him, "Do they teach any spiritual philosophy there?" and he said no.

Prabhupada: There is no spiritual philosophy. It is an academic, ordinary college. People understand that where is the credit, there are so many colleges. Responsible people, they understand that I am doing much more valuable thing.

So what is the use of these schools and colleges? That [indistinct] school, college is not very good. And there are so many schools and colleges. That is not very extraordinary thing.

Gurudasa: Now I understand that Bhaktivinoda Thakura, that school is not teaching spiritual philosophy. I told many people that if we got a chance to open a university, we would not compromise. We would not do anything with the government if they restricted our curriculum...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Gurudasa: ...without spiritual... Without spiritual, it is void.

Prabhupada: What do they say?

Gurudasa: They think. Then I say, "You can teach all the subjects and also teach the spiritual. "

Prabhupada: If we organize our Bombay, then we shall regularly teach all the students from the very beginning. And in London also we shall. London, Dallas. So that these students will be transferred.

Their parents will be very glad that our students have gone to foreign countries for studying. We shall have very, very good sympathies. Our only policy will be the students should be taught very nice English for understanding our books. Yes.

Gurudasa: In Bombay rather than Mayapur?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Gurudasa: In Bombay rather than...

Prabhupada: Everywhere. Everywhere. But you make higher study, higher study, higher study.

Gurudasa: Mayapur can be the highest.

Prabhupada: That you [indistinct]. All, everywhere this existence[?] should be: lower class, higher class. But our all institutions should be for giving spiritual. We have got so many books. Simply he has to learn English and Sanskrit, that's all. [indistinct] history. So we are not going to follow the university curriculum. No. We have got our own.

Gurudasa: We have had experience in the university, and it has not satisfied us. We have come to you.

Prabhupada: Not only you; I know what is [indistinct], what nonsense they give.

Gurudasa: Yamuna?

Yamuna: Yes, prabhu?

Gurudasa: Where is that file, that spiritual exposition? I wanted to show it to Prabhupada.

Yamuna: Prabhu, I looked for it, I couldn't find it.

Gurudasa: Recently? I'll look again.

Prabhupada: So we shall now go?

Gurudasa: Yes, we can go now.

Prabhupada: What's the time now? Six?

Gurudasa: [indistinct] upstairs. Shall I get it?

Prabhupada: No.

Gurudasa: I should put it on. You're always asking me the time. I should put it on. [break] [end]