Room Conversation – November 9, 1977, Vṛndāvana

His condition of the heartbeat is perfect

Kaviraja: [Transl. Today did he pass stool?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. Today he passed in the morning.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He did in the moring. O.K. How much is that?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. One hundred fifty.]

[Kaviraja and Bhakticaru discusses]

Bhakti-caru: He gave a medicine yesterday to control the stool, so we have to get it today.

Kaviraja: Pulse still ninety.

Tamala Krsna: Ninety. That's not bad. But is it strong or weak?

Kaviraja: No, stronger.

Tamala Krsna: Stronger. Your pulse is stronger now, Srila Prabhupada. Shastriji says that your pulse is normal rate and stronger. I think the kirtana is having a good effect, Srila Prabhupada.

Kaviraja: [Transl. This is also a great medicine-the holy name of Krsna.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Bhavausadhi-medicine to cure material disease.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. Maharaja. Someone asked for some medicine, and the Doctor replied, idam sariram sata-sandhi-jarjaram pataty avasyam parinama-pesalam kim ausadham prcchasi mudha durmate niramayam krsna-rasayanam piba [Mukunda Mala Stotra] This body is consist of hundreds of joints. It will definitely die one day and it is changing all the time. Therefore O fool, what medicine are you looking for? If you really want to be cured then drink the nectar of the holy name of Krsna.]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, Shastriji was saying that when he gives someone medicine, he gives the medicine, and then because he's a doctor, he doesn't care, it may work or not work. But with you, he said he's become too much attached. He does not know why, but he's become very much attached, and now he's too much determined that his medicine must work. He can't feel indifferent when he treats you.

Kaviraja: [Transl. The day before yesterday, Maharaja, I went to the jungle but I could not find it. That 'tal makhana', what you call 'kulekhara' or 'Branolia', you know kulekhara no? I am sure you know it. This grows so much in Bengal. Don't you know it?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Heard about it. I can't remember.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. We need it's root. If we have it then automatically instead of taking the trouble of passing urine again and again you can pass more urine at one time. And if you pass urine more then very soon you will be relieved of your disease.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hmm. You see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What see? Maharaja you were ... you definitely wanted to get rid of me. I am telling you the truth.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I lost all hope.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. There is no need to give up hope. If you loose hope then tell me how will we proceed forward?]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Whatever problem you feel kindly let me know. I am sitting here for you. I have no other work. My only work is to treat Prabhupada and help you regain your health quickly. Other than that I have no work in Vrndavana. I do not give that much importance to have darsana of Bihariji as I give importance to cure you.]

Bhavananda: Bhakti-caru?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Let me check the blood pressure, Maharaja.]

Bhakti-caru: He's explaining about the medicine, that if he gets the medicine it will be all right.

Bhavananda: Which medicine?

Bhakti-caru: The one that he went to look for in the forest.

Bhavananda: Oh.

Bhakti-caru: He's telling that Prabhupada's condition is not bad right now. [indistinct] take care of him and Prabhupada shouldn't be left alone.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Do you feel like eating sweet-rice or tasmi today?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I have desire. But will I be able to eat?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Eat little. What is there? tasmi kasmai na rocate. There is a sloka in Sanskrit-tasmi kasmai na rocate or who is that person who does not like sweet-rice? I am just having little jesting with Maharaja.] [sound of blood pressure pump.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Is everything alright?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. One forty by seventy-five.]

Tamala Krsna: Seventy-five.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Just correct.]

Tamala Krsna: Just right. What was the pulse this morning?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What was his pulse rate this morning?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. In the morning the rate went up.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, How much?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. His pulse rate was one hundred fifteen in the morning.]

Bhavananda: What?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. This morning his pulse rate was one hundred fifteen.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Now his pulse rate is ninety. His heart is working very nicely. It is working exactly the way it should be in good condition.]

Bhakti-caru: Now his heart is in perfect order.

Bhavananda: So what was the cause of that distress?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What has happened in the morning?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Maharaja did it, I don't understand anything.]

Bhakti-caru: He says Prabhupada has done it himself.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Sometimes he is fully alright and sometimes his condition becomes reverse.]

Tamala Krsna: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Kaviraja: [Transl. You feel cold in the morning, but you took off your clothes this morning. Were you feeling hot?]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Kaviraja: [Transl. You took off all your clothes this morning. [To Bhakti-caru: Since his stool is not clear, we will do something so that he will have clear motion. The stool, we have to create strength to put pressure on the motion.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. The color of the stool was green this morning.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Was it green?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. It might be due to the medicine.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, No. It becomes green when the liver is working in good condition. Green color is good, the color of stool should not be white. That's all.]

Bhakti-caru: The color of his stool was greenish this morning. So that's good. That shows that the liver is working.

Kaviraja: [Transl. It is important to keep the liver in good condition. You don't understand Hindi and I don't understand English. This is a big problem. [laughter]]

Bhakti-caru: "It's a pity that you can't understand me and I can't understand you."

Tamala Krsna: No, we are understanding.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Don't forget these two doses of medicine.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Which one? The one for the stool? With water in the morning?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. With warm water or normal water?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No need of warm water, Just normal water. Whenever you give him water you can boil the water first and then let it cool down. Today I have also reduced his dose of medicines.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Today I have given him only three doses of medicine. You keep giving him water from time to time. That's all.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I give him the medicine along with ark?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, only with plain water.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I give him half or the complete dose? Should I give him the full dose?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. Right now, from pathological test he has no problem. Whether we believe in the test or not, pulse is good, heart is good.]

Bhakti-caru: He says from pathological point of view, there is nothing wrong.

Kaviraja: General condition has become good.

Bhakti-caru: His condition of the heartbeat is perfect.

Tamala Krsna: So what is wrong?

Bhakti-caru: Blood pressure is perfect.

Tamala Krsna: It is a spiritual thing...

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Then why there is trouble?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, it happened that time]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The point is that...]

Bhakti-caru: At that time it happened, but now it's all right.

Kaviraja: [Transl. When Sani Maharaja or Saturn casts his glance on him, he drives Sani Maharaja away who sometimes feels chastised and thus gives him some trouble. So long the influence of Sani will remain...]

Bhakti-caru: Saturn is having its effect, like at times when he was looking at Srila Prabhupada then getting some trouble. When his vision was somewhere else, than when the Saturn looks higher from him, then he becomes...

Tamala Krsna: But what did Prabhupada just say?

Kaviraja: [Transl. The situation in the morning was somewhat like that and he had some problem. Even if we give him ten doses it won't work. But one single dose works. What can I say? How can I explain it?]

Bhakti-caru: He said how can you define it? How can you explain it? Like the condition couldn't have improved by ten medicines also, but just one medicine it became perfect.

Tamala Krsna: What did Prabhupada just say?

Bhakti-caru: Prabhupada just said that I mean, this morning his condition was bad, not now.

Bhavananda: Prabhupada was complaining of mental distress this morning also.

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What happened? That ...mental distress?]

Prabhupada: Hmm-hmm. [smile]

Kaviraja: [Transl. bole bole. Speak speak]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is this that someone has given me poison.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh, I see. Then he says.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. See my point is, maybe some demon has given you poison, you understand?]

Bhakti-caru: [indistinct] ...someone gave him poison.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Maybe some demon has given you poison. It may be like that. It is not impossible. You know Saṅkaracarya was there… someone gave him poison and he had to suffer so much for six months. You know glass bottle, someone crushed pieces of glass bottle into powder and fed him mixing it with food. You know what was the result? After one year he contacted leprosy all over his body. Every person must suffer the result of his action. The medicine I have given, if there is any effect of that, there cannot be any poison, that I guarantee you. If there is at all any effect then he would not have survived. Now I cannot detect it as it is already given. I can detect it if his kidney becomes defunct, whether it is caused by disease by planet or by poison.]

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him?

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: That was the mental distress?

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Since he says so, there has to be some truth in it. There is no doubt about it.]

Tamala Krsna: What did Kaviraja just say?

Bhakti-caru: He said that when Srila Prabhupada was saying that, there must be something truth behind it.

[People all speaking at once; asking about the acarya that was poisoned by powdered glass]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, Shastriji says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned?

[pause]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The strongest poison is mercury. The Surupa Guha case in Calcutta, did you read it Svamiji? Surupa Guha.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He doesn't know it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Her husband gave her.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He gave her as a medicine dose for immediate relief, which we call Ras kapur.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. There was mercury in makara dhvaja.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, No. It is to be given with.]

Woman devotee: What did he say?

Bhakti-caru: He said that it's quite possible that mercury, it's a kind of a poison...

Tamala Krsna: That makara-dhvaja.

Bhakti-caru: No, he's saying not that.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Ras-kapur, amiras it's a very bitter preparation, very poison.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Is it like Makara dhvaja?]

Bhavananda: What was he taking, Prabhupada, before that?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Makara dhvaja is like nectar. But it is suitable for him, that's a different thing. Actually it is poison for everyone.]

Bhavananda: What medicine was he taking before that?

Bhakti-caru: Which one?

Devotee: Yogendra-ras.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Nothing like that.]

Bhakti-caru: Yogendra-ras. No, he was referring to a case, big murder case in Calcutta, the husband poisoned the wife.

Bhavananda: That Guha.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Surupa Guha.]

Bhakti-caru: Saṅkardasa Banerjee was.

Bhavananda: Oh, yes. Our lawyer is the...

Tamala Krsna: Bhagatji doesn't think the [indistinct].

Kaviraja: [Transl. His body is just like a thunderbolt, hundreds of obstacles cannot harm it.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Whoever the Lord protects, just like Prahlada Maharaja was also.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Svamiji]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This reminds me a sloka.

You are expert in conclusion Maharaja, so there is no need to doubt.]

Tamala Krsna: No poison is strong enough to stop the hari-nama, Srila Prabhupada.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. Before Harinama… Meera was given so much poison... by a single drop of poison a man can die, she drank it all. Just see. If food is offered to the Supreme Lord it transforms into nectar. This is my conviction.]

Devotee: Prahlada Maharaja.

Bhakti-caru: Prahlada Maharaja also.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Meera was given more deadly poison than Prahlada. In Allopathy there is a poison, the taste of which no one could tell till now.]

Tamala Krsna: Would you like some more kirtana, Srila Prabhupada? Lokanatha can lead. Lokanatha, you lead.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Tamala Krsna: Lokanatha.

Lokanatha: Not for chanting, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Lokanatha: We just had a big kirtana, but I could chant more. I have come a long way to see you and chant for you. So if you allow, I will chant.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes. Been chanting all day in the ratha. [break]

Tamala Krsna: [aside:] Jagannatha Puri also. All right, I'll tell him that, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: You have taken your van?

Lokanatha: No.

Prabhupada: You take your van and three o'clock there.

Lokanatha: Three o'clock is all right?

Prabhupada: Four.

Lokanatha: Four o'clock.

Prabhupada: How is the climate outside?

Lokanatha: There's not cold so far. Lucky I came today. It's good climate.

Hamsaduta: At night it's a little chilly, and in the day it's very pleasant and warm.

Prabhupada: No, other parts of India.

Lokanatha: Oh, north. As we go towards the Himalaya it gets cold; otherwise up to Delhi and Chandigarh same climate as it is here now. As soon as we got into the mountains, it was very cold. We were shivering. But as we came to the plains, wherever we went the same climate. Same as Vrndavana. It's a good climate.

Prabhupada: So you come at four, [indistinct]. [break] [end]