Room Conversation – November 7, 1972, Vṛndāvana

721107R1-VRNDAVAN [33:18 Minutes]

Bhagavata never becomes old

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Guru dasa: [indistinct] was that there discussion important?

Prabhupada: Very important.

Guru dasa: Section of Bhagavata was it there[?]. [break]

Prabhupada: ..that is the whole [indistinct] of Bhagavata. Bhagavata never becomes old, nityam bhagavata-sevaya [SB 1.2.18]

[indistinct] [break]

Guru dasa: [indistinct] … companion of the first three chapters is it not? The second question…

Prabhupada: So you're going Agra?

Guru dasa: No.

Prabhupada: When Dr. Kapoor phones…

Guru dasa: Hm.

Prabhupada: …tomorrow at 1 o'clock in the temple room.

Guru dasa: So he is coming here.

Prabhupada: Here, sitting here sit down. Come here... [break] what is the position of that palace? Any word from them?

Acyutananda: I think…

Prabhupada: Ah.

Acyutananda: Of course the king is the king [indistinct].

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Acyutananda: …but he is very very generous.

Prabhupada: Flatter him. [indistinct] flatter him. [indistinct]

Acyutananda: Next time.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Acyutananda: So but it's a Trust, his all the properties now are now in the name of a Trust. The other members of the trust would like some. Someone has told us that to give them they mentioned something sometimes 15,000 and sometimes 25,000.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Acyutananda: But its not clear whether that would be the whole amount of money that will have to happen I think that if you give them some money to satisfy them [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] can pay very much [indistinct]

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes [indistinct] decorate the deities [indistinct] the temples or [indistinct] I have got [indistinct] to make first-class exhibition it's already there. I have to take care of that, we shall paint very nicely [indistinct] very attractive painting [indistinct] to decorate. So [indistinct] if they want something [indistinct] 50,000, 70,000 then [indistinct] you can pay it. [indistinct]

Devotee: They also want two or three rooms in the temple.

Prabhupada: Oh no that cannot do. We welcome but you cannot usurp.

Guru dasa: He said that when he is not there we can use this, those rooms.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guru dasa: But [indistinct] he wont.

Prabhupada: But one thing is that clearly [indistinct] deserve? That is not [indistinct] at all.

Acyutananda: You mean that [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: You can accommodate there but with a little gravity. That is not clearly [indistinct].

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Acyutananda: [indistinct] room this land and [indistinct] for us.

Prabhupada: We can accommodate them but he gives us donation.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: .. And to satisfy the [indistinct] you cannot [indistinct].

Acyutananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: This is inevitable. Now we can now... Whenever he comes we can provide four rooms, whenever he comes, this much [indistinct] but if we have allocated this four rooms [indistinct] always reserved for rooms.

Acyutananda: We can use them [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Ah.

Guru dasa: Whenever you come when you have left?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guru dasa: Whenever [indistinct]

Prabhupada: We shall pay. Whenever they come we shall have good facilities [indistinct] then if they decide then we can make additions and alterations that's our program. So we better not spend so much money there…

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] residential quarters [indistinct] immediately decorate [indistinct] with a nice garden. [indistinct]

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] and for our devotee's [indistinct]

Guru dasa: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: If they somehow or other [indistinct] that [indistinct] Maharaja has come [indistinct] acknowledged [indistinct]

Guru dasa: Would it be [indistinct]?

Prabhupada: If he wants to go to London we have there. Got now residential building, everywhere he wants to go. [indistinct] foreign country. Los Angeles, New York, in Dallas. Oh Dallas we have got [indistinct] better than Los Angeles. You have not seen. [indistinct] [laughs] You have not seen house [indistinct] [laughs]

Guru dasa: Wouldn't it be better with 26 2nd Ave. These lectures give me a feeling of those days.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Guru dasa: These lectures [indistinct] just yourself and devotees.

Prabhupada: In the beginning they were the first students. Acyutananda, Brahmananda [indistinct] Hayagriva, Kirtanananda, later on Bhavananda. I think [indistinct].

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh? Pradyumna was from the beginning?

Bhavananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Pradyumna [indistinct] And our Hamsadūta.

Acyutananda: When did Hayagriva come? [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. He got a son.

Guru dasa: Samba [indistinct] If the king travels to London he will want some spending money there.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] spending money? [indistinct] he can spend [indistinct] whatever he likes. You cannot give him [indistinct] this is not possible.

Guru dasa: If that is what he wants.

Prabhupada: That [indistinct] otherwise [indistinct] meat eating and drinking and gambling with a few lakhs then he can go to some hotel. [indistinct] temple [indistinct]

Guru dasa: He once [indistinct] mentioned [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Guru dasa: Once he had mentioned that he wants to help him opening a foreign bank account.

Prabhupada: Immediately we shall help, immediately.

Guru dasa: But then he may want some contribution from our side for his palace? If he asks what should we offer?

Prabhupada: Minimum because we have to spend so much.

Guru dasa: Yes.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] but whatever he asks I can pay. Nominal.

Guru dasa: Because his nominal, he mentioned nominal 25 lakhs at one time. So what do [indistinct]

Prabhupada: That we need direction. Immediately [indistinct] So what is your idea?

Acyutananda: Idea of [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Acyutananda: Or [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Acyutananda: Well 25,000 [indistinct]

Prabhupada: If you want that you can give him $2,500. Immediately in any foreign country, either in England or New York or anywhere. I shall immediately send [indistinct] that will be very nice immediately we can open an account. [indistinct] …bank balance then there will be no difficulty of [indistinct]

Guru dasa: Yes.

Acyutananda: A round trip ticket to America costs $1100. [break]

Prabhupada: I'll take care of that, first of all take care of this. He can be educated if he likes otherwise he can remain in ''London' or he can remain in ''New York' or in ''''London'' village. Any big city [indistinct] there will be no charge for his boarding and lodging. Everything will be free and if he wants to be educated that also we can arrange.

Acyutananda: The Maharaja would like [indistinct] religious.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Prabhupada: He was trained up [indistinct] If he is prepared [indistinct] going there. He will be trained up. Eh? We can teach him Sanskrit also. In Dallas [indistinct] Sanskrit. [indistinct] what is the age of the boy?

Devotee: [indistinct] 17?

Prabhupada: Then we can teach him Sanskrit and English. So let him donate without [indistinct] and we will take care of it. Let us make our programme nicely, we shall welcome him.

Devotee: I would like to.. When we go up to Mayapur [indistinct] I would like to ask the Maharaja to come and see you [indistinct]

Prabhupada: That would be very nice.

Devotee: I don't think that you should [indistinct]

Prabhupada: That we don't know [break]. So instead of going to Agra you can go to Haripur.

Guru dasa: I go on the 18th, departure.

Prabhupada: [indistinct].

Devotee: The car is expected.

Acyutananda: The car is expected and if it doesn't come then I will not be able to go to Broadwood[?] until after Delhi because the [indistinct] is not [indistinct]. This is the difficulty.

Prabhupada: Their name, fame, tradition will remain the same.

Guru dasa: We've been through that thing he said I am not interested.

Acyutananda: He said he wanted money.

Guru dasa: Yes. His son and his money.

Prabhupada: Let him take care of his son. [indistinct] take Rs.10,000 if he wants.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Oh.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] this mrdahga is very nicely done.

Devotee: Oh they are from Calcutta.

Prabhupada: Wherefrom?

Devotee: Dinanatha. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: What is the time?

Devotee: 10:30.

Prabhupada: [break] [indistinct] then half a dozen [indistinct] [Hindi]

When I was living at that Kesi Ghat that [indistinct] settlement from that time I was looking.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: No. [indistinct] I was appreciating [indistinct]

Guru dasa: You were doing that then what is the future? What are you looking at now?

Prabhupada: [indistinct] that house for 10,000, but at that time I had no money.

Guru dasa: Inside it is nice.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Guru dasa: Inside it is nice. Gopal. But small.

Prabhupada: Oh. If he agrees then you give him 10,000. [indistinct] no money. And we can decorate the garden very nicely.

Guru dasa: The garden has more area than it appears from where we saw it.

Prabhupada: Yes I can understand. The situation is very [indistinct]

[Hindi conversation] [break] father and mother. He has spring cleaned everything [Hindi conversation] jiva va maro va-those who are devotees for them death or life the same thing.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. [indistinct] now everyone is sūdra [laughs]

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. There is no discrimination. [Hindi conversation] [break]

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Ah. But they [indistinct]

Acyutananda: Yes. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: No just guess how many [indistinct]

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh? Then there will be a whole meeting

Acyutananda: [indistinct conversation with Prabhupada]

Prabhupada: [Hindi conversation] Ah that's nice [Hindi conversation] [break] All right [indistinct] Jaya. [break]

Guru dasa: So?

Indian man: We can't say anything openly even if they are convinced so we can say anything openly because he [indistinct] nobody can rest or say anything about it. Nobody can proof it.

Guru dasa: But my point is that…

Prabhupada: The government has a strong hand in that movement the pulse [indistinct] Very strong.

Acyutananda: Very strong. Very strong.

Prabhupada: But. That everyone.

Indian man: Everyone [indistinct] have you come in touch?

Prabhupada: I have met one.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Guru dasa: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] Canakya Panḍita Eh? Avidyam jivanamsūnyam disaḥsūnya abandhavaḥ[indistinct] [Hindi conversation] it is said there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam [indistinct] every alternate year [indistinct]

Acyutananda: A front.

Prabhupada: It becomes a front… But this Krsna consciousness movement is the solution of all problems.

Acyutananda: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: For want of bhoktaram

[break] Fully Krsna conscious. [indistinct]

Acyutananda: [indistinct] [break]

Prabhupada: [Sounds like a tape playing]. As soon as one becomes [indistinct] no material possessions [indistinct] unless one is free from all material attachments one cannot [indistinct] niskincana [indistinct] material [indistinct] Caitanya Mahaprabhu also says [indistinct] niskincana [indistinct] Anyone who accepts only Krsna as the supreme proprietor and enjoyer [indistinct] the material world is such that everyone is thinking that I am the enjoyer. So there is competition. [indistinct] working. Everyone is taking advantage of [indistinct] and everyone is [indistinct] everyone is trying to enjoy to his best capacity [indistinct] gopi-bhartuḥ pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasaḥ [Padyavali63] servant of the servant of the servant.

Guru dasa: One or two [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh? [break]

Acyutananda: And they stayed in [indistinct] house.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Indian man: [indistinct] [break] and immediately they began to talk to me [indistinct] and for three hours [indistinct] criticizing Mayavad. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Indian man: [indistinct] and a picture that he painted, a picture of the divine rasa the divine lila [indistinct] not that I [indistinct].

Devotee (2): No.

Devotee: [indistinct] so I was going to go over there at night I didn't have it with me. So Prabhupada was afterwards suggesting and a few days later he was invited [indistinct] he was guest for 20 days. And there I found [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Devotee: Eh? No the [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] [break] [indistinct]

Indian man: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: That's Mayavadi.

Indian man: Mayavadi [indistinct] [laughs] strange experience.

Prabhupada: You wrote your thesis on Caitanya?

Indian man: Yes. I wrote and then I came in contact with these people. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Indian man: Yes.

Prabhupada:

Indian man: [indistinct] Psychologist [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes.

Indian man: [indistinct] psychologist.

Prabhupada: They are also converted more than psychologist.

Indian man: More than that.

Guru dasa: We were deceived by psychiatrists.

Indian man: [laughs]

Guru dasa: There was one psychiatrist in London who was very well-known and he was coming to the temple. So then Prabhupada came and I said to him, "you come now and see him." And he said to his wife, "I'm going to see my Caitanya."

Indian man: [laughs]

Prabhupada: There is another kind of philosopher I forgot, there is a group in London. The head of that group.

Guru dasa: Mensa.

Prabhupada: Mensa.

Guru dasa: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Guru dasa: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Ah. First of all one of their followers he talked with me and [indistinct] chief. I told them, "you are simply mental speculators."

Indian man: [laughs]

Prabhupada: Mental speculators.

[laughter]

Devotee : [indistinct]

Indian man: [break] [indistinct] the bathroom floor. [laughs] [indistinct] [laughs] bathroom floor [laughs] [break]

Prabhupada: Beginning from Socrates [indistinct] Plato and later on Darwin, Marx Freud like that.

Indian man: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Indian man: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes.

Indian man: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: I gathered that [indistinct]

Indian man: Ah.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Devotee: Ah. [indistinct] they are taking me home now and I enjoyed my stay. [end]