Room Conversation – November 7, 1972, Vṛndāvana
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721107R1-VRNDAVAN [33:18 Minutes]
Bhagavata never becomes old
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Prabhupada: Very important.
[indistinct] [break]
Prabhupada: So you're going Agra?
Prabhupada: When Dr. Kapoor phones…
Prabhupada: …tomorrow at 1 o'clock in the temple room.
Prabhupada: Here, sitting here sit down. Come here... [break] what is the position of that palace? Any word from them?
Acyutananda: I think…
Prabhupada: Ah.
Acyutananda: Of course the king is the king [indistinct].
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Acyutananda: …but he is very very generous.
Prabhupada: Flatter him. [indistinct] flatter him. [indistinct]
Acyutananda: Next time.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Acyutananda: So but it's a Trust, his all the properties now are now in the name of a Trust. The other members of the trust would like some. Someone has told us that to give them they mentioned something sometimes 15,000 and sometimes 25,000.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Acyutananda: But its not clear whether that would be the whole amount of money that will have to happen I think that if you give them some money to satisfy them [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] can pay very much [indistinct]
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes [indistinct] decorate the deities [indistinct] the temples or [indistinct] I have got [indistinct] to make first-class exhibition it's already there. I have to take care of that, we shall paint very nicely [indistinct] very attractive painting [indistinct] to decorate. So [indistinct] if they want something [indistinct] 50,000, 70,000 then [indistinct] you can pay it. [indistinct]
Devotee: They also want two or three rooms in the temple.
Prabhupada: Oh no that cannot do. We welcome but you cannot usurp.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: But one thing is that clearly [indistinct] deserve? That is not [indistinct] at all.
Acyutananda: You mean that [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: You can accommodate there but with a little gravity. That is not clearly [indistinct].
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Acyutananda: [indistinct] room this land and [indistinct] for us.
Prabhupada: We can accommodate them but he gives us donation.
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: .. And to satisfy the [indistinct] you cannot [indistinct].
Acyutananda: Yes.
Prabhupada: This is inevitable. Now we can now... Whenever he comes we can provide four rooms, whenever he comes, this much [indistinct] but if we have allocated this four rooms [indistinct] always reserved for rooms.
Acyutananda: We can use them [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Ah.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: We shall pay. Whenever they come we shall have good facilities [indistinct] then if they decide then we can make additions and alterations that's our program. So we better not spend so much money there…
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] residential quarters [indistinct] immediately decorate [indistinct] with a nice garden. [indistinct]
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] and for our devotee's [indistinct]
Prabhupada: If they somehow or other [indistinct] that [indistinct] Maharaja has come [indistinct] acknowledged [indistinct]
Prabhupada: If he wants to go to London we have there. Got now residential building, everywhere he wants to go. [indistinct] foreign country. Los Angeles, New York, in Dallas. Oh Dallas we have got [indistinct] better than Los Angeles. You have not seen. [indistinct] [laughs] You have not seen house [indistinct] [laughs]
Prabhupada: Ah.
Prabhupada: In the beginning they were the first students. Acyutananda, Brahmananda [indistinct] Hayagriva, Kirtanananda, later on Bhavananda. I think [indistinct].
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh? Pradyumna was from the beginning?
Bhavananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Pradyumna [indistinct] And our Hamsaduta.
Acyutananda: When did Hayagriva come? [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Yes. He got a son.
Prabhupada: [indistinct] spending money? [indistinct] he can spend [indistinct] whatever he likes. You cannot give him [indistinct] this is not possible.
Prabhupada: That [indistinct] otherwise [indistinct] meat eating and drinking and gambling with a few lakhs then he can go to some hotel. [indistinct] temple [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prabhupada: Immediately we shall help, immediately.
Prabhupada: Minimum because we have to spend so much.
Prabhupada: [indistinct] but whatever he asks I can pay. Nominal.
Prabhupada: That we need direction. Immediately [indistinct] So what is your idea?
Acyutananda: Idea of [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Acyutananda: Or [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Acyutananda: Well 25,000 [indistinct]
Prabhupada: If you want that you can give him $2,500. Immediately in any foreign country, either in England or New York or anywhere. I shall immediately send [indistinct] that will be very nice immediately we can open an account. [indistinct] …bank balance then there will be no difficulty of [indistinct]
Acyutananda: A round trip ticket to America costs $1100. [break]
Prabhupada: I'll take care of that, first of all take care of this. He can be educated if he likes otherwise he can remain in ''London' or he can remain in ''New York' or in ''''London'' village. Any big city [indistinct] there will be no charge for his boarding and lodging. Everything will be free and if he wants to be educated that also we can arrange.
Acyutananda: The Maharaja would like [indistinct] religious.
Prabhupada: Ah.
Prabhupada: He was trained up [indistinct] If he is prepared [indistinct] going there. He will be trained up. Eh? We can teach him Sanskrit also. In Dallas [indistinct] Sanskrit. [indistinct] what is the age of the boy?
Devotee: [indistinct] 17?
Prabhupada: Then we can teach him Sanskrit and English. So let him donate without [indistinct] and we will take care of it. Let us make our programme nicely, we shall welcome him.
Devotee: I would like to.. When we go up to Mayapur [indistinct] I would like to ask the Maharaja to come and see you [indistinct]
Prabhupada: That would be very nice.
Devotee: I don't think that you should [indistinct]
Prabhupada: That we don't know [break]. So instead of going to Agra you can go to Haripur.
Prabhupada: [indistinct].
Devotee: The car is expected.
Acyutananda: The car is expected and if it doesn't come then I will not be able to go to Broadwood[?] until after Delhi because the [indistinct] is not [indistinct]. This is the difficulty.
Prabhupada: Their name, fame, tradition will remain the same.
Acyutananda: He said he wanted money.
Prabhupada: Let him take care of his son. [indistinct] take Rs.10,000 if he wants.
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Oh.
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] this mrdaṅga is very nicely done.
Devotee: Oh they are from Calcutta.
Prabhupada: Wherefrom?
Devotee: Dinanatha. [indistinct]
Prabhupada: What is the time?
Devotee: 10:30.
Prabhupada: [break] [indistinct] then half a dozen [indistinct] [Hindi]
When I was living at that Kesi Ghat that [indistinct] settlement from that time I was looking.
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: No. [indistinct] I was appreciating [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] that house for 10,000, but at that time I had no money.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prabhupada: Oh. If he agrees then you give him 10,000. [indistinct] no money. And we can decorate the garden very nicely.
Prabhupada: Yes I can understand. The situation is very [indistinct]
[Hindi conversation] [break] father and mother. He has spring cleaned everything [Hindi conversation] jiva va maro va-those who are devotees for them death or life the same thing.
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Yes. [indistinct] now everyone is sudra [laughs]
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Yes. There is no discrimination. [Hindi conversation] [break]
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Ah. But they [indistinct]
Acyutananda: Yes. [indistinct]
Prabhupada: No just guess how many [indistinct]
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh? Then there will be a whole meeting
Acyutananda: [indistinct conversation with Prabhupada]
Prabhupada: [Hindi conversation] Ah that's nice [Hindi conversation] [break] All right [indistinct] Jaya. [break]
Indian man: We can't say anything openly even if they are convinced so we can say anything openly because he [indistinct] nobody can rest or say anything about it. Nobody can proof it.
Prabhupada: The government has a strong hand in that movement the pulse [indistinct] Very strong.
Acyutananda: Very strong. Very strong.
Prabhupada: But. That everyone.
Indian man: Everyone [indistinct] have you come in touch?
Prabhupada: I have met one.
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] Canakya Pandita Eh? Avidyam jivanamsunyam disahsunya abandhavah[indistinct] [Hindi conversation] it is said there in the Srimad-Bhagavatam [indistinct] every alternate year [indistinct]
Acyutananda: A front.
Prabhupada: It becomes a front… But this Krsna consciousness movement is the solution of all problems.
Acyutananda: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: For want of bhoktaram
[break] Fully Krsna conscious. [indistinct]
Acyutananda: [indistinct] [break]
Prabhupada: [Sounds like a tape playing]. As soon as one becomes [indistinct] no material possessions [indistinct] unless one is free from all material attachments one cannot [indistinct] niskincana [indistinct] material [indistinct] Caitanya Mahaprabhu also says [indistinct] niskincana [indistinct] Anyone who accepts only Krsna as the supreme proprietor and enjoyer [indistinct] the material world is such that everyone is thinking that I am the enjoyer. So there is competition. [indistinct] working. Everyone is taking advantage of [indistinct] and everyone is [indistinct] everyone is trying to enjoy to his best capacity [indistinct] gopi-bhartuh pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasah [Padyavali63] servant of the servant of the servant.
Prabhupada: Eh? [break]
Acyutananda: And they stayed in [indistinct] house.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Indian man: [indistinct] [break] and immediately they began to talk to me [indistinct] and for three hours [indistinct] criticizing Mayavad. [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Indian man: [indistinct] and a picture that he painted, a picture of the divine rasa the divine lila [indistinct] not that I [indistinct].
Devotee (2): No.
Devotee: [indistinct] so I was going to go over there at night I didn't have it with me. So Prabhupada was afterwards suggesting and a few days later he was invited [indistinct] he was guest for 20 days. And there I found [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Devotee: Eh? No the [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct] [break] [indistinct]
Indian man: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: That's Mayavadi.
Indian man: Mayavadi [indistinct] [laughs] strange experience.
Prabhupada: You wrote your thesis on Caitanya?
Indian man: Yes. I wrote and then I came in contact with these people. [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Indian man: Yes.
Prabhupada:
Indian man: [indistinct] Psychologist [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man: [indistinct] psychologist.
Prabhupada: They are also converted more than psychologist.
Indian man: More than that.
Indian man: [laughs]
Indian man: [laughs]
Prabhupada: There is another kind of philosopher I forgot, there is a group in London. The head of that group.
Prabhupada: Mensa.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prabhupada: Ah. First of all one of their followers he talked with me and [indistinct] chief. I told them, "you are simply mental speculators."
Indian man: [laughs]
Prabhupada: Mental speculators.
[laughter]
Devotee : [indistinct]
Indian man: [break] [indistinct] the bathroom floor. [laughs] [indistinct] [laughs] bathroom floor [laughs] [break]
Prabhupada: Beginning from Socrates [indistinct] Plato and later on Darwin, Marx Freud like that.
Indian man: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Eh?
Indian man: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: I gathered that [indistinct]
Indian man: Ah.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Devotee: Ah. [indistinct] they are taking me home now and I enjoyed my stay. [end]
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