Room Conversation – November 10, 1977, Vṛndāvana

I cannot refuse all your request

[kirtana] [break]

Tamala Krsna: Lokanatha is here, over there, Srila...

Lokanatha: Srila Prabhupada.

Devotee: [whispering] The kirtana should stop.

Prabhupada: So? Where did you go?

Lokanatha: I went to Mathura. I went first to Vrndavana and looked for the carts. They were not very good kind. They were made for rough loads. So I went to Mathura and spoke to one farmer. He had a fairly big size cart and two strong bullocks. He asked for a hundred rupees. He wouldn't come down. So ultimately I agreed for a hundred rupees. And he will reach tonight at eleven o'clock. I asked him to start immediately, but they have puja-as we have go-puja, they also have oxen puja today-so he will only reach at eleven o'clock, and he will be with us all day long tomorrow. I had to give him for one day or maximum daily remit[?].

Prabhupada: So what do you think?

Lokanatha: Of what?

Prabhupada: How many carts you have?

Lokanatha: I got just one today, one for you, and those who serve you, they could also sit besides you in the cart, and the rest could do kirtana around the bullock cart, and the whole unit, bullock cart and saṅkirtana group, will move together.

Prabhupada: So what we have to pay?

Lokanatha: We'll pay hundred rupees, one day. Of course, you want to have it for all the time. Best thing is to purchase a set of bullocks, two bullocks, and a cart.

Prabhupada: You have got experience.

Lokanatha: Yes.

Prabhupada: So what is better?

Lokanatha: Well, depends on whether we like to use it for longer time. Then we should purchase. If it is just for a few days, best thing is to hire.

Prabhupada: Hundred rupees and food.

Lokanatha: No. He has his food for himself and bullocks. So that's for the cart, two bullocks and the driver.

Prabhupada: That's nice.

Lokanatha: Yes. This is what they earn for living. Usually they carry different loads from place to another place. Each trip they make twenty rupees, thirty rupees, fifty rupees, according to the distance and the load they carry. But it's expensive to keep it for many days.

Prabhupada: No. If it is inconvenient, we may not keep.

Lokanatha: If it is convenient?

Prabhupada: Then we shall keep.

Lokanatha: So we'll hire first and see how it goes, works. And if you think it is nice, or comfortable, all right with you, then we could purchase.

Prabhupada: So how many we are going?

Lokanatha: Tamala Krsna Maharaja?

Tamala Krsna: How many what?

Gopala Krsna: How many will be going?

Tamala Krsna: Well, all the devotees want to go, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Oh, that's nice.

Hamsaduta: That's nice?

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Pancadravida: [aside:] We can't all go on the cart; it would break.

Prabhupada: So how many carts you require?

Pancadravida: Just one.

Lokanatha: One for now. We also had a meeting, and we were discussing that if we go around just in Vrndavana, all will go. But if we keep going from holy place to holy place, then we have to decide whether everyone goes or just a few of us go.

Prabhupada: So you are hiring for how many days?

Lokanatha: This is only for one day it is hired now. But we could continue to hire the same cart for several more days by paying extra money.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Tamala Krsna?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Our experiment...

Tamala Krsna: It certainly is an experiment. Of course, we always like experiments to be successful.

Prabhupada: Yes. Where he'll go?

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada? Where will we go?

Devotee: What route?

Tamala Krsna: We thought tomorrow to go around the parikrama path.

Prabhupada: Which parikrama path?

Tamala Krsna: Vrndavana parikrama.

Lokanatha: Does a cart go?

Tamala Krsna: Well that we haven't... I've never tried it with a cart. Smara-hari, you say a cart couldn't go?

Lokanatha: No, he says it cannot go.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Tamala Krsna: Smara-hari, who is familiar with the parikrama path, says that a bullock cart would not be able to pass in many of the places.

Prabhupada: Then?

Pancadravida: Another route...

Tamala Krsna: Well, then that means we can't do a Vrndavana parikrama.

Smara-hari: For example, in Kesi-ghata there's no...

Tamala Krsna: He's experienced. He says...

Smara-hari: For walking you can go around.

Lokanatha: This Vrndavana parikrama is mainly for walking and circumambulating, like that. It's not meant for going in a vehicle, motor vehicle or bullock cart.

Hamsaduta: Suppose we would go to Kesi-ghata or one of the important temples like Govindaji.

Lokanatha: Those are the seven temples.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, another possibility is to go to the places where the main temples are, Srila Prabhupada, the Gosvamis' temples.

Hamsaduta: Tomorrow is Govardhana-puja, and a procession through the city of Vrndavana would be very ecstatic.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Pancadravida: On parade.

[indistinct background comments by devotees throughout]

Prabhupada: Others will come also.

Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah, well, if we go through Vrndavana, probably many people will come.

Hamsaduta: Then we could also get some experience, because if we were, for example, to go to Govardhana, we would have to pass over similar roads.

Lokanatha: This cart does not have cover, Srila Prabhupada. This bullock cart which I hired has no cover on the top.

Hamsaduta: So we have to cover it.

Bhakti-caru: Lokanatha Swami, you apparently didn't get one question of Prabhupada. He asked what do you think about this trip. You didn't answer that. You have some experience with bullock carts. What do you think? In this condition Srila Prabhupada will withstand the trip?

Lokanatha: How can I answer it?

Bhakti-caru: No, you know in what condition Prabhupada is in now.

Gopala Krsna: Bullock cart are usually very bumpy.

Devotee: This has rubber tires.

Lokanatha: If these roads are not bad, and the cart has tire wheels...

Prabhupada: Yes?

Lokanatha: So we're discussing bumping. So won't be much bumping in the cart. Also, we always could go slow. If Prabhupada wants to make an experiment, we could make one day [indistinct].

Svarupa Damodara: A few hours.

Prabhupada: I am thinking I am lying here... [break]

Lokanatha: ...should ride in very nice carts, in a chariot.

Prabhupada: No, [indistinct]. [laughter]

Lokanatha: I saw one in Maharastra. In Poona. Yes.

Prabhupada: Hmm. You can purchase immediately. [laughter]

Lokanatha: We'll have to design and... They're not ready-made like that.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Lokanatha: The kind which we want, the pull-on kind, with cover on top and nice arrangements, we have to design it and order it, get it made. There's a place called Meerut, on north of Delhi...

Prabhupada: Therefore I sent you. You have got already experience.

Lokanatha: Yes. I can use my knowledge for your service. Because you said let's make an experiment, and if it's all right, then...

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Lokanatha: You said you want to make an experiment, so let us make an experiment with this hired bullock cart, and in few days' time...

Tamala Krsna: So where will we go tomorrow if we go?

Prabhupada: Govardhana?

Tamala Krsna: Govardhana.

Lokanatha: Yes, Govardhana.

Pancadravida: That's very far. We went on one parade three years ago in Vrndavana, with elephants, that Your Divine Grace went. Maybe we could go on that same route.

Tamala Krsna: Govardhana will take about six hours to reach there.

Lokanatha: No, how many kilometers is that?

Gopala Krsna: Oh, it's very far.

Tamala Krsna: Twenty-eight to thirty kilometers.

Gopala Krsna: It takes one hour by car.

Lokanatha: Take five kilometers an hour.

Tamala Krsna: That's six hours to get there.

Pancadravida: And six hours back.

Tamala Krsna: Six hours to get there, and then three hours around Govardhana. Nine hours.

Gopala Krsna: And six hours back.

Pancadravida: And the bulls might need to rest.

Tamala Krsna: You have to rest the bulls, don't you?

Pancadravida: There's one route we went on in Vrndavana, a parade, once. [indistinct] Shorter route. First time, as an experiment, we could go a shorter distance.

Tamala Krsna: That's quite a big experiment to make, going to Govardhana the first day, Srila Prabhupada. You feel confident that you can travel nine hours in a row on a bullock cart?

Prabhupada: I am sleeping here.

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Lokanatha: He says he's sleeping here.

Tamala Krsna: But this is not a bullock cart.

Prabhupada: The same thing.

Tamala Krsna: It's the same thing?

Jayadvaita: One thing is that in the Gosvami temples they have govardhana-sila. That's also Govardhana.

Hamsaduta: Srila Prabhupada? The main concern of the devotees is that whether you will be able to survive such an experiment. But before, you said that you felt that such a parikrama would actually cure you. You said that. So your vision is transcendental, because you are the spiritual master. You're a pure devotee of Krsna. So if you say that it will cure you and that it will be beneficial for you, then we have to carry out that..., whatever you desire. We do not know. We're just on the mundane platform.

Prabhupada: One-day experiment? It is for one day?

Lokanatha: We have hired it for one day.

Prabhupada: Rest assured, I will not die in one day.

Hamsaduta: So we should go to Govardhana? Because tomorrow is Govardhana-puja.

Prabhupada: Yes. And we shall make our cooking there and...

Lokanatha: We should start early.

Prabhupada: He has got experience. Dig the ground and make our foodstuff. Very good picnic.

Gopala Krsna: Very good picnic.

Hamsaduta: We were planning... If we go to Govardhana, we would take the prasadam that was prepared here and bring it there, so that many people can take.

Prabhupada: I have no objection.

Lokanatha: Or otherwise we can make real picnic. We could collect some grains there from door to door and cook some khicuri there.

Prabhupada: That will be very nice.

Gunarnava: There are already many thousands and thousands of people there, Srila Prabhupada. Perhaps it will take a long time to get there because of traffic. I was in Mathura today. Every ten minutes buses and taṅgas and so many kinds of vehicles were going to Govardhana. There are many, many thousands of people there today.

Pancadravida: Besides that, the devotees would have to walk nine hours in the sun.

Gunarnava: Perhaps the road will be very busy tomorrow, Srila Prabhupada.

Tamala Krsna: Phew!

Hamsaduta: Can't walk?

Prabhupada: No, let them take their time. They do that. It is very nice picnic.

Lokanatha: From my village there is this pilgrimage called Pandharpur. This is sixty miles. And still, old men, they just travel, walk. Every ekadasi they go.

Prabhupada: Just see.

Lokanatha: Every ekadasi they go to Pandharpur, have darsana of Vithala Rukmini, and return on foot.

Hamsaduta: You have assured us that in one day you're not going to die, and you want to make this experiment, so we should do it.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Hamsaduta: We'll do it with great enthusiasm. Your Divine Grace is infallible. So if you say that it will help and cure you, then that must be a fact. You've never been wrong about anything, Prabhupada, so you must be right this time also.

Prabhupada: So let us make experiment. Don't hesitate.

Pancadravida: So we can fix up the cart tonight.

Hamsaduta: Where's the cart? Outside?

Pancadravida: It's coming.

Lokanatha: It will reach at eleven o'clock here. So I suggest right after maṅgala-arati we'll go, probably should start.

Prabhupada: As far as possible, take me in a comfortable position. That's all. As far as possible.

Svarupa Damodara: Comfortable position.

Prabhupada: That...

Pancadravida: Arrange one bed on the cart.

Jagadisa: We can use this mattress.

Pancadravida: This mattress can go in nice arrangement.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pancadravida: Umbrella.

Tamala Krsna: This is not the best. There is other mattresses that are as good or better than this. The temple has many gadis. We'll get them.

Pancadravida: We can make nice arrangement. This will purify Govardhana Hill, Srila Prabhupada. Tirthas become purified by the presence of...

Lokanatha: ...another tirtha.

Pancadravida: Yes. Prabhupada will go to the tirtha.

Jagadisa: You're a Vaisnava like Arjuna and Hanuman, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Tomorrow is a great festival.

Lokanatha: Tomorrow is Govardhana-puja festival.

Prabhupada: Yes. We are in Vrndavana, and we shall not take part? We must take part.

Tamala Krsna: Hmm. "We are in Vrndavana and we are not taking part? We must take part."

Pancadravida: So we should all go to Govardhana?

Devotees: Why not? Jaya.

Prabhupada: Who is here?

Tamala Krsna: About thirty or forty devotees, Srila Prabhupada.

Svarupa Damodara: We're just like puppets, Srila Prabhupada. We are all unfit to make any decision. Whatever Your Divine Grace instructs us to do, we just follow.

Prabhupada: So, Lokanatha, what do you say?

Svarupa Damodara: What do you say, Lokanatha Maharaja?

Lokanatha: We should make experiment to please you.

Prabhupada: That's nice.

Lokanatha: That will be ever-new experience for us also.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: It will be historic. [pause] Many people have been invited to the temple here. Many people have been invited to attend the function here at the mandira.

Gopala Krsna: Thousands of people are expected to come tomorrow.

Pancadravida: That can also go on.

Prabhupada: When they have invited?

Svarupa Damodara: To Krsna-Balarama temple, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: When?

Svarupa Damodara: Tomorrow.

Tamala Krsna: "What time?" he's asking.

Lokanatha: What time people are invited?

Bhavananda: At 11 a.m.

Tamala Krsna: At around noontime, Srila Prabhupada.

Gopala Krsna: There's a big feast at one o'clock.

Prabhupada: So half of our men may come back.

Tamala Krsna: Half of the men may come, and half should stay. All the Vrndavana devotees can stay, and all the visiting devotees should go.

Gopala Krsna: Exactly.

Tamala Krsna: All right, we'll make that division, Srila Prabhupada.

[indistinct background comments by devotees]

Prabhupada: Keep that palanquin.

Tamala Krsna: Keep the palanquin on the cart?

Prabhupada: Cart?

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Palanquin.

Tamala Krsna: Where should we keep it? With us on the cart?

Prabhupada: Carry it.

Hamsaduta: Bring it along.

Pancadravida: We'll bring it along.

[background discussion of how to do this]

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada's going to want to get out and go in that palanquin.

Svarupa Damodara: So when we'll come back from Govardhana?

Gopala Krsna: Tomorrow night.

Hamsaduta: Next day.

Tamala Krsna: So after circumambulating Govardhana, we will return to Vrndavana or stay out?

Jagadisa: If we're going to take prasadam there's no time to come back.

Prabhupada: What do you think?

Svarupa Damodara: Prabhupada says "What do you think?"

Pancadravida: Maybe we could stay overnight.

Lokanatha: When we are there, out, we'll decide.

Gopala Krsna: But he can't come back tomorrow night. Impossible.

Tamala Krsna: It's helpful for the devotees to know, just so they can bring something to wrap around when it gets to be nighttime. It's not the middle of the summer, you know. It is...

Lokanatha: We have two, three vehicles here.

Tamala Krsna: I'm saying it's something that should be considered now, and not when we get there. You said when we get there we'll see.

Svarupa Damodara: We should make all the plans complete.

Prabhupada: That you consider.

Bhavananda: We should go with plans for staying overnight.

Prabhupada: Why you are asking me?

Lokanatha: I think we'll have to stay there.

Hamsaduta: Yeah, definitely.

Tamala Krsna: We definitely have to stay there.

Hamsaduta: Six hours to go, three hours around, that's nine. Six hours back...

Tamala Krsna: It'll be more than that.

Hamsaduta: It's not possible to come back. So one night, spending one night in Govardhana.

Gopala Krsna: The devotees are crashing after two hours.

[background conversation about taking the cars]

Lokanatha: The devotees should be prepared to stay overnight there. Under the trees. [laughter]

Hamsaduta: We're supposed to be gosvamis. We have to stay under a tree. Different tree every night.

Lokanatha: When we were traveling from Vrndavana to Mayapur we stayed many times. Outside we'd live under the tree. It's nice.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, but if just one window is open at night, Prabhupada starts feeling cold in spite of the blankets.

Lokanatha: You are making [indistinct].

Svarupa Damodara: It will be very cold in the early morning hours.

Gopala Krsna: In the evening it's getting colder.

Hamsaduta: We'll bring the van, and Prabhupada can stay in the van overnight, or we'll find some place.

Gopala Krsna: Where we'll find some? All the asramas will be overcrowded.

Devotee: There's thousands and thousands of people.

Pancadravida: We can sleep around the van. Prabhupada is like a desire tree. He satisfies everybody.

Lokanatha: That cart could be turned into house. Have bamboo sticks; cover it with blankets.

Prabhupada: So begin to plan.

Svarupa Damodara: I think Lokanatha Swami should make the route, completely planned out, and the place also where we're going to picnic, so that everything has to be arranged well ahead of time.

Prabhupada: So do it.

Pancadravida: Yes, we'll prepare the cart tonight, Srila Prabhupada.

Lokanatha: When we started the bullock cart you said, "Go to the heart of the village." And we said, "What is this heart?" You said, "Wherever there is well, water, we should camp, we should stay." That is where we could remain clean.

Prabhupada: That you have experience. I have no experience.

Lokanatha: Maybe you sent me to experience this bullock cart program so that you could...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Lokanatha: ...in future go on bullock cart.

Prabhupada: For me it is experiment.

Svarupa Damodara: We should also request kaviraji to come along?

Prabhupada: Invite him.

Gopala Krsna: He can come in the van. [laughs]

Pancadravida: Then it is all decided. You want to take some rest, Srila Prabhupada?

Hamsaduta: Can we have some kirtana, Prabhupada?

[indistinct background comments by devotees] [kirtana]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, are you finished passing urine? Yes.

[break] Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Dandavat.

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada said dandavat.

Krsna dasa Babaji: Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Who else is there?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. No one else. From Imlitala, they went to Dvaraka for parikrama.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Ah. So what is your experience about parikrama?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Parikrama? If you feel well then by Krsna's mercy you may go, will Kaviraja allow you?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Kaviraja is saying no.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. It depends on you.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I think that I am lying here and I have nothing to do.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Make an experiment. If I die, I will die on Govardhan Puja day.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: Govardhan Puja? Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Will you go with us?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes, if I know the time I will come.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Then come.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. What time?]

Bhavananda: Five o'clock.

Svarupa Damodara: What time we start?

Bhavananda: Five o'clock.

Prabhupada: [Transl. You may stay here tonight.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Stay here? But I didn't bring my bead.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. We can send someone?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Hare Krsna, I can go myself and bring it.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No. You need not take trouble.]

Prabhupada: Somebody may go and bring his...

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Malika or japa bead.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Malika.]

Tamala Krsna: Bring him...?

Prabhupada: Bring him his beads.

Hamsaduta: Where are they?

Prabhupada: Where they are?

Krsna dasa Babaji: At Imlitala. I can go. I can go and come back.

Prabhupada: So you can go in car.

Tamala Krsna: We'll send... Yes, Srila Prabhupada. Your malika[?] are at Imlitala.

Krsna dasa Babaji: Yes. Let me go there.

Tamala Krsna: We'll take you by car. You can get your malika[?]. You'll stay overnight here.

Hamsaduta: Someone could pick it up for him in a rickshaw.

Krsna dasa Babaji: I can go.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Do you have bedding?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Bedding? Yes, I do have bedding.]

Tamala Krsna: We'll bring him by car. He can get his things and bring him back. He'll get his bedding.

Prabhupada: His bedding and beading. [laughter]

Tamala Krsna: Bedding and beading.

Jagadisa: Bedding and what?

Upendra: Beading.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Make arrangement for Babaji Maharaja's prasada.] Is that all right?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, I was saying…]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Prasada, give him prasada first.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. No. I will go and bring.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, no.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Let me go and bring my bead.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. As you feel right.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Let me go and bring.]

Svarupa Damodara: We're sending someone.

Krsna dasa Babaji: No, no, I'll go personally.

Tamala Krsna: No, we'll go with a car. He can come and collect his things.

Hamsaduta: He should go on the rickshaw.

Tamala Krsna: Why?

Hamsaduta: Because it's a very narrow place.

Prabhupada: So make arrangement.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Jayapataka: [Transl. Prabhupada, may I request you something?] ...that if you feel any pain or experience any difficulty, then we can bring you back.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, you bring a car, obviously.

Prabhupada: Yes. I'm not obstinate. [laughter]

Krsna dasa Babaji: Hare Krsna. [chants japa] [break]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Bring some prasadam now.]

Pancadravida: Bring some prasadam now.

Svarupa Damodara: Someone's bringing prasadam, Srila Prabhupada.

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. I will come back and have prasada.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. If Vamana Maharaja gives his association, sadhu-saṅge sarva-siddhi... [Cc Madhya 22.54]. Everything has been tried. If the experiment is a success then I will do Parikrama in a big way. Whether die or live. Where is Svami Maharaja nowadays?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Svami Maharaja? He is in Siuri. He has built a Matha there. He lives there.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hope he is well.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes. He is well, but there is problem.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. The problem is the former in-charge of the Matha says he did not give charge. Svami Maharaja says-he has given. And that person says-I have not given. This is the condition.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now he says he has not given?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. No.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Didn't keep his word.]

Hamsaduta: He's staying here tonight?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. So you are going to stay tonight.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes, I will go and bring by bead and then stay here.]

Hamsaduta: Someone has to take him to Imlitala to get his things.

Jayapataka: [Transl. Should I send someone to get it or you will go?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. I will go. It is better that I go myself.]

Jayapataka: [Transl. Will the car go up to your place?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. I can take a Rickshaw.]

Jayapataka: [Transl. We have the car.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes. The car can wait in the road near Sevakunja.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. The road is crowded?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes, it is crowded.]

Jayapataka: Should there be kirtana, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Jayapataka: You like kirtana?

Prabhupada: Yes.

[indistinct background discussion between devotees about Aksayananda and cars] [break]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Has he taken prasada?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I have... He has taken prasada. Srila Prabhupada.]

Tamala Krsna: ...to go.

Prabhupada: To request not to go?

Krsna dasa Babaji: Ji. [Transl. Tell me.]

Tamala Krsna: Well, Srila Prabhupada, I'll tell you, I'm getting so upset sitting in the room upstairs. I mean I just... I was walking around... Two of the devotees told me this road is so bad that if you go on this road, you're going to be jolted back and forth. The road is terrible. I mean, I just can't understand, Srila Prabhupada, why it has to be tomorrow that we have to go. If anybody wants you to travel, I do. My whole desire is to take you all over the world. I want to take you on parikrama, but why do we have to go when you're in this condition? I can't understand it.

It just... I was standing outside. This kaviraja, he has worked so hard. He's so much disappointed. He can't understand why he... He says that now, today, you've taken half a kilo of milk. No mucus has been produced. No stool is being passed. He says tomorrow he wants to give you a medicine that will begin to build the milk into muscles. He's going to get you to a point where you can take two kilos of milk a day. And he says very soon you'll be able to have the strength to actually do parikrama. So why are we throwing everything out the window, that we must go tomorrow? I cannot understand.

Prabhupada: All right.

Bhakti-caru: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. [laughs]

Bhavananda: Thank you, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: I cannot refuse all your request.

Tamala Krsna: And we cannot refuse your request. We will take you all over tirtha-yatra, to all the places. Just that you get a little stronger. You'll be free of all management. You simply go to tirthas and take darsana of all the Deities in India. And everyone will stay in their respective places. They'll manage. But we just want you to be stronger.

Prabhupada: All right. That will satisfy you? [laughter]

Tamala Krsna: Babaji Maharaja also, you also thought that? We did not talk to him.

Bhavananda: We were just on our way down the stairs to come and see Your Divine Grace.

Prabhupada: Bhavananda?

Bhavananda: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: You are satisfied?

Bhavananda: Now I am, Srila Prabhupada, yes. [laughter] I was in too much anxiety.

Prabhupada: No, no, I cannot put you in anxiety. You have done so much. You have suffered for Mayapur so much. I cannot put you in anxiety. So I shall do what you like. [Transl. So what do you say Babaji Maharaja?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. No, no. What you said is right.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They are my right hand, left hand] Left hand, right hand; I cannot refuse.

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. No, no. What they have said is right. It is going in the right direction. If you are careless little bit there is every chance of going bad. There will be so much jerking. The roads are not good.]

Tamala Krsna: I mean I'm amazed, Srila Prabhupada. A half a kilo of milk you've drank today-no mucus, no stool. And that is wonderful. You could not have done this two weeks ago.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, when I told the kaviraja he got quite amazed. He told me, "Don't give any more milk. It might..." But Srila Prabhupada wanted some milk now, so I'll give.

Prabhupada: Where is kaviraja?

Tamala Krsna: He's out again getting medicine. I mean, this man, Srila Prabhupada, Adri-dharana says he sits up all night worried about you, thinking, taxing his mind how to give you just what you require.

Prabhupada: No.

Bhakti-caru: Yesterday, when I went to call him at 4:30, I saw him sitting on his bed.

Tamala Krsna: All night. He goes in the jungle four, five hours looking for roots, herbs to give you. He's so sincere.

Prabhupada: So many well-wishers, I cannot refuse. This is not my business. [Transl. What do you say Babaji Maharaja? So many…]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Everything is Krsna's will.]

Prabhupada: All right. You take Babaji Maharaja. That will be my going. [laughter]

Krsna dasa Babaji: Jaya.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, the bullock cart will go tomorrow.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: To Govardhana.

Prabhupada: Yes, other devotees can go. I cannot go.

Tamala Krsna: No, they'll go on your behalf, but you will go one day. That we promise you.

Prabhupada: All right.

Tamala Krsna: Our greatest pleasure will be to take you on tirtha-yatra, Srila Prabhupada. We wanted so much to go with you on that.

Prabhupada: Thank you very much.

Tamala Krsna: Actually, Srila Prabhupada, we're so much attached to you that you practically drive us to madness sometimes. Tonight we were becoming mad.

Prabhupada: No, no, I shall not do that. Babaji Maharaja?

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes Sir.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Did you see how much they love me?]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. Yes, yes. I can see. This is wonderful Maharaja. We have many things to learn from them.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. And Bhavananda recently has gone through so much suffering.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. The Lord will take care.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. To refuse him is not proper. Loke gaye thutu debe] [literal meaning, people will spit on me. It means people will blame me.] So you will take bath in Radha-kunda on my behalf.

Tamala Krsna: We'll get you better, Srila Prabhupada, and you will also be able to take bath personally there. We'll see you get better.

Prabhupada: That's all right.

Tamala Krsna: Krsna will make all of our words come true, Srila Prabhupada.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I bring little milk for you now Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes, bring. This Kaviraja is working so hard and to refuse him.]

Krsna dasa Babaji: [Transl. No, no. Really no.]

Tamala Krsna: Oh, this kaviraja, we're so... I mean, we're fortunate to get this sincere man.

Prabhupada: Where is kaviraja?

Tamala Krsna: He's out getting more... He's out working, at work.

Bhavananda: Adri, see if he's here, kaviraja.

Adri-dharana: [indistinct] get a minute.

Tamala Krsna: As soon as he comes, he can come and see Prabhupada. [end]