Room Conversation – May 12, 1976, Honolulu

760512R1-Honolulu [04:52 Minutes]

The guru is personal or Krsna is impersonal?

Prabhupada: First of all, where did he get this idea, not to trust me? For everything responsible.

Govinda dasi: So that's what I was trying to ask.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Govinda dasi: That's what I was trying to ask.

Prabhupada: Hmm? For everything responsible.

Govinda dasi: That was the reason that I was trying to ask those questions.

Prabhupada: He has become impersonal. That's all. He is simply out of the jurisdiction of personal care. The guru is personal or Krsna is impersonal? Our guru is personal and Krsna is personal. He is impersonal.

Govinda dasi: He speaks of the guru principle and that his spiritual master is within his heart, and that…, and he doesn't accept the personal service of the physical manifestation.

Prabhupada: He does not understand. Don't [indistinct]. Who cares for his philosophy?

Govinda dasi: Not for very long. I am simply concerned for him.

Prabhupada: That is natural, but if he wants to spoil himself, then how can you save him?

Govinda dasi: Yes.

Prabhupada: If he wants to commit suicide, then who can save him? He will do it, at any time.

Devotee: He's downstairs. You want him?

Prabhupada: What he doing?

Devotee: I don't know. I stay up here during arati in case you mean…

Prabhupada: Call him.

Govinda dasi: Thank you, Srila Prabhupada. [end]