Room Conversation – July 4, 1971, Los Angeles

I was attracted, "Oh, he is speaking nicely: 'Krsna can be seen'

Prabhupada: ...some treatment he is undergoing?

Gaurasundara: No, there is no treatment.

Govinda dasi: He says there is no treatment.

Prabhupada: So what he is eating?

Govinda dasi: He eats. Eats fruits, vegetables, capatis, rice.

Prabhupada: Nicely?

Govinda dasi: Oh, yes. He eats very much, but he gets sick all the time.

Prabhupada: So what is the cause of sickness?

Gaurasundara: Well, from the fasting too long it appears that his digestive system has stopped from lack of use, and now he just doesn't...

Prabhupada: No. Now after he is eating, he is evacuating?

Gaurasundara: He has trouble, great trouble.

Govinda dasi: No. He has to drink prune juice. Every day we have to supply him juice.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Govinda dasi: Or otherwise he can't eat. It won't... His digestive system won't work.

Prabhupada: Hmm. So he is not getting strength by eating?

Gaurasundara: Well, somewhat.

Prabhupada: He should not eat too much, but eat substantial. What is his age?

Gaurasundara: I think twenty-one.

Prabhupada: Oh, he is young boy. So, easily digestible, nutritious. So dal, he can take. Dal?

Gaurasundara: I think so.

Prabhupada: Dal, capatis, rice.

Gaurasundara: He takes a lot of fruit and vegetables.

Prabhupada: That's all?

Govinda dasi: Lots of papaya. It helps his digestion.

Prabhupada: Papaya?

Govinda dasi: Hm. He eats four or five papayas in a day.

Prabhupada: He chants regularly? Chanting?

Govinda dasi: Chanting. Yes. He's not so much disturbed by it, because he's been sick a long time, so...

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Govinda dasi: He said in raising the body heat with kunḍalini yoga it burned the nervous system. I don't know anything about the...

Prabhupada: Kunḍalini is bad to him?

Govinda dasi: Yes.

Prabhupada: What is this kunḍalini? What is the benefit of kunḍalini?

Govinda dasi: I don't know.

Prabhupada: We have never such attraction for kunḍalini [indistinct]. We simply believe in the words of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, that's all. No kunḍalini. I was attracted, "Oh, he is speaking nicely: 'Krsna can be seen.' " So I was attracted, like that: "Krsna is not dead. He is living." In the beginning [laughs] that enlightened me. From the very beginning of our life we are trained, "Krsna is God. Krsna is person."

Later on, in our school, college days, by bad association there was some impersonalist tendency. But when I heard from Guru Maharaja that Krsna is person, the Supreme, oh, I became so much [indistinct]. Yes. Then it was fixed up. I have written that "Impersonal calamities thou hast moved." There was a current, when I was little, thinking that Lord is impersonal; that was not appealing. And when it was confirmed, I became very much glad. Any other questions?

Govinda dasi: No. Gaurasundara is leaving today, I think.

[to Gaurasundara: Are you leaving tomorrow?]

Prabhupada: He can leave tomorrow, together. You are leaving tomorrow?

Govinda dasi: Yes. I only paid twenty-five...

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Gaurasundara: On the deities, what should be the size?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Gaurasundara: The deities.

Prabhupada: Four feet is nice.

Gaurasundara: That's five of them?

Govinda dasi: Yes.

Gaurasundara: Five of them together, four feet?

Govinda dasi: That's very nice. No. Now They won't be as wide, They will be taller.

Prabhupada: You can see the picture. [pause]

No. Then you can make short.

Govinda dasi: You see, I don't have to completely remake it. I have the mold already. I won't have to… Three figures I won't have to remake. Three figures are made. I just make one more. This figure.

Prabhupada: That's all right. You paint the picture; you do it. Hare Krsna.

Govinda dasi: Krsna will supply us a big enough temple. [offers obeisances to Srila Prabhupada]

Prabhupada: You can take this flower garland.

Govinda dasi: This big garland?

Prabhupada: Yes. Divide it into two. [break] [end]