Doctor Visit and Conversation

October 20, 1977, Vrndavana
Dr. Gopal: Vomiting?
Prabhupada: There was some tendency.
Dr. Gopal: There was some tendency, but you never had.
Prabhupada: Had little.
Dr. Gopal: Do you feel any difficulty during urination?
Prabhupada: Not at all.
Dr. Gopal: It is passing without any hesitation.
Prabhupada: I think so.
Dr. Gopal: Now much urine he is passing every time?
Bhavananda: Here's the book. Urine is here.
Dr. Gopal: This is yesterday. Yesterday total urine was about 290.
Bhavananda: Day before was 495.
Dr. Gopal: It was 495 day before yesterday, and it is 290 only yesterday. Today's total urine is only...
Prabhupada: I... A little after... I have taken misri water just now.
Dr. Gopal: Misri water. You like it?
Prabhupada: Hm hm.
Dr. Gopal: What else you can take?
Prabhupada: Hari-nama.
Guest (1): Hari-nama, hari-nama. (laughing)
Dr. Gopal: Yes. Yes, I understand. For your body, I can say. Can you take little bit of ice cream or cold custard?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Gopal: Then please ask somebody to bring it.
Prabhupada: Best thing hari-nama.
Tamala Krsna: Best thing.
Prabhupada: Let me hear Hare Krsna and peacefully pass away.
Dr. Gopal: But I think I am not making any hindrance in your normal routine. And whatever medicine I am giving you, I will cut it down by fifty percent now.
Prabhupada: If I can pass in that way, that will be very nice.
Dr. Gopal: I think swelling is not there now.
Bhavananda: This hand, swelling has completely gone.
Dr. Gopal: It is still there, but it is less. Can I see your throat? Say "Ah."
Prabhupada: Ahhhhhhh.
Dr. Gopal: That's all. Sometimes he can keep...
Bhavananda: A little while.
Dr. Gopal: Little while.
Bhavananda: Otherwise, it becomes too uncomfortable.
Dr. Gopal: Does he feel very uncomfortable with this?
Bhavananda: With his feet raised he feels some discomfort.
Dr. Gopal: Discomfort. (pause) Can you take a little turn either on this side? Did he have these sort of movement yesterday? Did he have this sort of movement yesterday?
Bhavananda: Today. Yes. We moved his leg and bent his leg and arm.
Dr. Gopal: So I'll think that you just give something to eat, and let me know what is the result.
Devotee (2): Here's the... We brought custard for you.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Upendra: We're going to give you a little... It's custard.
Bhavananda: Dr. Gopal wants to give you some custard, some cold custard.
Dr. Gopal: I want to see the reaction after that, you have. You can give two-three cloves(?) so that he can take. Is it sweet enough to give you taste? I think we just want that Complan, and he just take only custard and ice cream, dhaniya bread, that's all. Just stick to only these four things now. And then you can increase. Any amount of things, you can... How do you feel now? Do you like warm thing or cold thing?
Prabhupada: Cold are better.
Dr. Gopal: Cold better. Liking is towards cold rather than towards hot.
Guest (1): Ice cream?
Dr. Gopal: Don't worry about this passing of flatus, stools, every time by the urination. You should not worry. Because a scab(?) is still there, this will be unavoidable(?). Otherwise you can give a little soft enema so that that scab should come out, and so there is no spurious(?) there, a little one is coming out every time with the eating.
Prabhupada: We are not worried.
Dr. Gopal: So you should not bother about that diarrhea, because he's really exactly on proper diet. It is only the part. They are obstructing the free passage of stool because of that scab(?), dry feces there. So should it come out easily, either by enema or by manual pushing, then it's all right. So then there will be no problem of this diarrhea. Don't do anything to stop diarrhea.
Bhavananda: And the restlessness at night, insomnia?
Dr. Gopal: Insomnia. Yes, he had. Because somebody told me yesterday also it is his usual feature that he doesn't want to sleep, or he's not sleeping, but he will... And it were before... As a routine he's not sleeping. So it may be that it is his habit that he doesn't like to sleep in the night. Because how many times he goes for urination in the night also? Does he go? How many times?
Upendra: Once, twice.
Dr. Gopal: Once, twice.
Upendra: Usually twice.
Prabhupada: I... I'm feeling nicely.
Dr. Gopal: You are feeling?
Prabhupada: After eating.
Dr. Gopal: Yes, after eating. So you just eat. Not very frequently. Little amount after every hour or every one and half hour, two hour, small quantities. Frequently small quantities. Not like thisonly morning, have breakfast, lunch and the... Not four times. You can give eight times, ten times, twelve times. But only little bit. That much only, the amount he can digest easily. It should not come out. And a little of water, either plain water or with the electro powder, you can do.
Bhavananda: That electro powder will reduce the nausea?
Dr. Gopal: No.
Bhavananda: Will reduce it?
Dr. Gopal: This will reduce the nausea. You just give this electro powder. How much you are giving exactly?
Bhavananda: Usually we give 150 milliliters of water with about 1 measure of the electro powder.
Dr. Gopal: In 150 ml? It will cause a little nausea also. If you... Do you have cold water?
Jayapataka: That's the concentrated.
Dr. Gopal: This is concentrated. You should not give so much concentrated. You just, so to say, about six ounce of water... You just add less than 1 spoon, one measureful, of this electro.
Bhavananda: Six ounces.
Dr. Gopal: In six ounces. And you give just two... (Hindi) Just give 2 teaspoon. Rest. Again 2 teaspoon. This is just sort of, you can call it as in the form of prasadam, or you can say in the form of rainwater so that his dryness should not be there in the mouth. It should always be wet. You understand my point?
Jayapataka: He wants some cold water.
Upendra: One hundred and fifty urine. (background conversation) What was that, about?
Dr. Gopal: About half. (discussion about medicine)
Prabhupada: I am ready to leave(?).
Bhavananda: No, Dr. Gopal was saying for taking some foodstuff, little bit, one, two, spoonfuls. He said he's going to cut the medicine down to half.
Prabhupada: What is this?
Dr. Gopal: This is glucose water. No taste?
Prabhupada: Little taste.
Dr. Gopal: It is sweet enough?
Upendra: This is plain water.
Dr. Gopal: Take little more. Was there enough in..., that you have measured it. This is 101.
Upendra: Measure it back?
Dr. Gopal: No, don't measure it back. When it finishes, you prepare fresh.
Upendra: It can be kept.
Dr. Gopal: Yes. You have the prescription? Daytime, he is having sleep or not? Little bit.
Devotee (3): Yesterday he rested for some hours, few hours.
Dr. Gopal: And today?
Devotee (3): Today he rested for about three hours.
Bhavananda: Today from four a.m. to nine a.m. he rested.
Dr. Gopal: He rested.
Dr. Gopal: So I think the time of his rest or sleep, when he has..., the same as from usual... Because previously he used to wake from twelve to four in the night, or... So you want to change your sleep hours?
Prabhupada: No, no.
Dr. Gopal: No. You want to provoke the sleep? You just take little more liquids, number one. Two: whatever you like, you take. I will reduce your medicine by fifty percent. And don't worry for these loose stools. You are passing everything. Right?
Trivikrama: You want to come back, Srila Prabhupada?
Tamala Krsna: Would you like some kirtana, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: You have got any (indistinct). Where is Giriraja?
Tamala Krsna: He went into the city today for picking up the fixed deposit receipts. That was the main thing.
Prabhupada: City?
Tamala Krsna: Delhi. Because the receipts are being turned over to the head office, so they have to be endorsed there. So he went for that purpose. There's not much more to do now with this Panchashil flat, because we're going to give it. So simply it will be up to Vrindavan to make up the necessary document for transferring it. I think it doesn't even require a big document. Simply a letter on behalf of Your Divine Grace saying that "We give this apartment to you."
Prabhupada: But one thing, if they can dispose?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, they may try and sell it.
Prabhupada: No, no, I don't want that.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, but when you give them that, that's what they may do.
Prabhupada: Then don't give him. Let them live there, but...
Tamala Krsna: So then the question again comes up, which I mentioned to you, that if they're paying corporation taxes and other taxes, then they become the legal tenant, and a tenant does not lose the right of tenancy at his death. His children inherit it.
Prabhupada:. Well, what is that?
Tamala Krsna: Okay. So then it's not for their lifetime; it's forever.
Prabhupada: There is no harm. They cannot mortgage or...
Tamala Krsna: Sublet it.
Prabhupada: Yes. They can simply live. I wanted that because he is formerly working for BBT... Work or not work, we asked him... Therefore we have given them a place to stay in right hand, and they can live, left hand, all of them. They cannot have the right to mortgage, sale, like that. That is our aim. They can live happily. This much I want. And if we give them right of proprietorship, the rascal may sell it or get out.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yes, they will do that. Then they'll have nowhere to live. That's what your older son... M. M. will do that.
Prabhupada: That I cannot allow. They're allowed to live, that's all. Then, after that, whatever...
Tamala Krsna: Well, what happens if, on their own, they sublet it to someone else? Supposing on their own they make an agreement with someone. Say someone pays them twenty thousand rupees and they move out? That they won't do...
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krsna: ...because they won't be able to get another apartment. Yes. I don't see how they would sublet it. There would be no purpose to it. They might, though.
Prabhupada: No subletting.
Tamala Krsna: How do we stop them from subletting?
Prabhupada: Then they'll have to...
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, once someone is there, you can't stop them. We could take them to court. It's not very likely, that's a fact. In other words, they're not paying rent...
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krsna: ...so how can they sublet? If you're not paying rent, you can't sublet.
Prabhupada: And there is no much room, that's all, for sub... The place is still insufficient for...
Tamala Krsna: No, I mean supposing they were to move out completely and let someone else move in?
Prabhupada: Than that must be stopped. Sublet, they cannot.
Tamala Krsna: Supposing, you know, they move out completely and someone pays them a thousand rupees a month? And with that thousand or more they get some other place?
Prabhupada: Then they'll have to vacate.
Tamala Krsna: See, once they pay corporation taxes, they can claim tenancy. And a tenant... I can give you an example. In Calcutta, in Albert Road, where we currently have our temple, it was being rented by one member friend. Then he let Jayapataka stay there, and then we took over. Of course, he was paying rent, but still, they can also be looked upon as a tenant because they'll be paying taxes.
Prabhupada: Then you pay tax. Cut down from their pension. Huh?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, it could be done.
Prabhupada: We pay, and you cut down. Other tenants are there. But not tenants-occupier. What they are doing?
Tamala Krsna: Well, they're going to pay corporation taxes. See, we're the actual owners of the flat. There's no other instance like this. The other people who own the flats, they live in it. But we don't live in it; they live in it. So the flat is owned by us, but if they pay taxes and stuff, they're going to get the receipts in their name. I don't think they're going to get the receipts in your name.
Prabhupada: Why not in my name?
Tamala Krsna: Yes. If they get the receipt in your name, then the matter ends right there.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Tamala Krsna: Then it's simple. It's only if they get the receipt in their own name...
Prabhupada: No, in my name.
Tamala Krsna: That should be the point, that the receipt has to be issued in the name of the owner of the flat. Then it's all clear. And that's correct, actually.
Prabhupada: Make it like that.
Tamala Krsna: We're talking about Panchashil.
Prabhupada: So do the needful.
Tamala Krsna: Jayapataka Maharaja, if someone owns a flat and someone else is allowed to live there, if the person who's allowed to live there, but doesn't pay rent, when he pays taxes, the receipt for the taxes should be issued in the owner's name, isn't it?
Prabhupada: If other owners are doing that, do that for us, in my name.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Actually, Srila Prabhupada, automatically the receipts will probably come in your name.
Jayapataka: We pay the land tax. And receipt is given on the owner of the land, but it mentions who gave it as a matter of fact, but it's given in the name of the owner.
Tamala Krsna: So can they claim any right as a tenant based upon the fact that they paid the taxes? All right, anyway, let us see. I mean, I understand your desire. We'll try and encourage them to fulfill your desire, that they live there and be happy. (background conversations) See, I think one of the things that should be done is that they should sign. Vrindavan should sign an agreement saying that he agrees not to sublet it to anybody else. Because right now there's no such agreement at all. We're letting them live there, and they can do whatever they want. When he comes here... He'll be coming here. So when he comes here he should sign an agreement that he agrees not to sublet or to let anyone else except the family members live in this apartment.
Prabhupada: That's all.
Tamala Krsna: And if they ever decide they don't want to live there, then they have to return the place to the Society. And the Society agrees to allow them to live there peacefully. [break]
Hari-sauri: Do you think he is a good doctor?
Prabhupada: Who is good? (laughs) Everyone is good; I am bad.
Hari-sauri: Actually you're the best doctor, Srila Prabhupada, because you're the only one who can cure our material diseases all in one. They can make some adjustment, but you can bring complete finish for all material disease.
Prabhupada: Why they stop kirtana? (kirtana starts again)
Hari-sauri: Upendra's brought some ice cream.
Kirtanananda: Very cold. We sprinkled a little cardamom on it. Nice?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Kirtanananda: Jaya. I have water. Can you drink? (Prabhupada swallows) More water? Little more.
Hari-sauri: I was in Delhi yesterday, and I spoke to one of the temple presidents in Australia, and he gave me a very encouraging report. He said that all the Indian Gitas that we got just recently from Gopala Krsna, now they've almost completely finished. Over eleven thousand they've distributed in just a few weeks.
Prabhupada: Hm!
Hari-sauri: That's very good. Since you've been here in Vrndavana, I sent them a telegram that now they have to distribute more books so that Lord Krsna will be pleased and allow you to stay with us. So they've doubled up since then. Now they're almost run out, they've distributed so many. [break] He said that up on the farm also things are going very nicely. Many, many people are coming now to see how we are living. And for Govardhana Puja they are planning a two-day festival. They're expecting to get many hundreds of people coming. Your farm is already very well known now up in that area, and people are becoming very interested to see what we have to offer. In the immediate district where our farm is, many people have tried to start communesthese hippies and people like this. But they've never been successful because they've never had any central point to agree on. Everybody's simply gone their..., lived their own way. But within a few months now, some of the more serious people have seen that within just three or four months we have achieved more on our farm than any of these communes have done in the last six years. So they're becoming very attracted to come and stay with us, and they appreciate the kirtana and prasadam very much. (end)

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