Giriraja: And similarly the today's government leaders should also take advice from the saintly person.

Prabhupada: We can give nice instructions.

Giriraja: He wanted to arrange a meeting with Morarji Desai this week, but I told him that it would be better not to arrange anything until he comes back to Bombay in a week. But he gave me his phone number in Delhi if we want to contact him.

Prabhupada: You want me to go there?

Giriraja: No, I think it's better... First of all, as you mentioned last...

Prabhupada: If he comes, I'll come.

Giriraja: Yeah.

Tamala Krsna: I think that Bombay is very important, so Morarji Desai must visit here. And when he visits here, he is a devotee of Krsna, so we can invite him to our temple. And at that time he can see you.

Prabhupada: With his associates, invite him, give him prasadam.

Tamala Krsna: That will be more impressive then. You should not have to go. The administrator comes to the guru. And if he won't come to you, then there is no question of his helping, anyway.

Giriraja: Right.

Prabhupada: Yes. If he comes we shall speak on this.

Giriraja: Now, for tonight's program, I was thinking that actually there is no need for you to come to the pandal, because it's very strenuous and Dr. Jawar knows us very well. He won't take offense. And he could, if you wanted, he could come for your darsana anyway, which would be less taxing.

Prabhupada: That's all right.

Bhavananda: This Dr. Oja says that your blood pressure is about 210 to 220 over 100. He said it should be about 150 over 90. He said any strain moving around will cause this.(?)

Prabhupada: But if required, I can go. If it is required, I can go.

Giriraja: Well, I don't think it is actually required, because we have a very nice program.

Tamala Krsna: What about tomorrow?

Giriraja: Oh, tomorrow is a very big day. Rama-navami. The Chief Minister is coming.

Tamala Krsna: Initiation.

Giriraja: And probably the industry minister will also come.

Tamala Krsna: Today, you were saying, it is Monday.

Giriraja: I was saying that since today is Monday, yesterday was Sunday, so must people probably thought that "I'll go Sunday or else I'll go on Rama-navami. " So today I think fewer people will come.

Prabhupada: Tomorrow speak.

Tamala Krsna: That's what you were thinking originally, that you would be going only on certain days to the pandal, important days. Do you want to ask Prabhupada about the press conference?

Giriraja: So we wanted to invite the newspaper men to Juhu, and usually they are more inclined to come for these meetings if we give them a nice meal. So that would be..., what I was thinking is that if you are taking your meal at 12 o'clock, then if you could meet them for a short time after that, say, at about 12:30, and then, after that, then they can take their prasadam. Otherwise we could have it in the afternoon, but I don't think we'll get as good response, because they are after that; they like that meal to be served.

Prabhupada: Well, whatever time, you decide. But after taking my meals, I require a little rest.

Tamala Krsna: How much rest, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: One hour.

Tamala Krsna: So by one-thirty or two.

Prabhupada: Yes, that time would be better.

Tamala Krsna: Two would be good, I think. You could invite them by one for prasadam. They could take for an hour or so. You could show them the movies, and then by two they could see Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Yes, you invite them at one.

Giriraja: Okay, that's good.

Tamala Krsna: That will be nice. One o'clock to one thirty, prasada; one thirty to two, movies; two, Srila Prabhupada.

Giriraja: We can take them on a tour also.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. He can give them a tour of Hare Krsna Land. I think the more publicity we can get now of these temple and towers, that will get the people's anticipation all over Bombay very keen, so when it finally opens, millions of people will come.

Prabhupada: And if Morarji Desai comes to Bombay...

Giriraja: I asked Mr. Rajda if he was coming, so he said that... [break] (later conversation, speech going on in background)

Tamala Krsna: They say that this is a sign of inhumanity. That we...

Prabhupada: Inhumanity means I do not like you; still, I have to mix with you. Is that inhumanity?

Tamala Krsna: Well, if you are my relative, then...

Prabhupada: Whatever you may be. If you have no business with me, I have no interest in you, why shall I mix with you? That is everywhere. If some very busy businessman is sitting in his room and some other man comes, he, first he will ask, "What is the business?" If he says something else, then "I have no interest." This is common thing. What is the wrong there? If he says that "I have no interest," what is the wrong there? How I can accuse that is inhumanity?

Tamala Krsna: They say that the family unit is the basic unit of civilization.

Prabhupada: Well, family, that is alright. But even sometimes a father does not like the son, although it is the family. Or the son does not like the father. So what is the wrong there? They must agree to the point that of the same interest. So those who are interested in permanent, I mean to say, life, why they should be interested in this temporary so-called adjustment? [break]

Svarupa Damodara: The goal of life is different. Those who accuse us, they don't know that goal.

Prabhupada: Nobody knows goal. Everyone is living like animal. Many other goal. They do not know. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninah [SB 7.5.31]. This is the modern civilization. They do not know what is the goal of life. And without knowing the goal of life, they are trying to adjust things on this material platform. That will never happen. Durasaya. Now suppose this race... On the road we see so many four-wheel cars racing. Does it mean this will solve the problems of life? What is the difference? If the dog is running and I am also running in a four-wheel car, so where is the difference? (Hindi) What is the difference? Is that advancement of civilization because I am in a four-wheel Mercedes car and the dog is running on the street? He will also die, I will die, and he will have to change, he'll also change body, I have to change body. Next life, I may be a dog like that. Tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13]. My problem is how to stop this business, how to get my real life. So one who is interested in real life, why he should join the dog race? It is all dog race. And they are taking it as advancement of knowledge. That is not advancement. They do not know how to stop. Nature will not excuse you. Karanam guna-sango 'sya sad-asad-janma-yonisu [Bg. 13.22]. If you associate with certain type of modes of material nature, then you will have to accept the next body accordingly. The nature will not excuse you. The business is that I have got this human form of life. I must fully utilize it how to get out of these problems. That is life.

Indian: So that is the big problem, because people don't know how to get out of it.

Prabhupada: No, they should know. Here we are teaching right. Why the rascals do not take advantage of us? They do not know. Therefore there is preaching. Why Krsna consciousness movement is there? Because these rascals, they do not know. Na te viduh. We are teaching. Krsna is coming. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata [Bg. 4.7]. As soon as they forget, immediately Krsna comes. He sends His representative to remind that "This is not your life. This is life." Now, if he does not take advantage of it, it is his fault. The knowledge is there. University is there. You can go, pass your M.A. examination. But if you go to the prison house and become a pickpocket, that is your fault.

Giriraja: Srila Prabhupada, I think we can go out. (end)