Prabhupada: (Hindi) ...article in... (Hindi) I was very much satisfied. New Vrindaban. Who wrote it? Somebody went there in my New Vrindaban.

Indian man: I think Mr. Dvari. That I can find out.

Prabhupada: (Hindi) The people are misled. They do not know. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum. Artha-brahmana-pandita [SB 7.5.31]. Pandiya means...

Indian man: Yeah. brahmana.

Gopala Krsna: He's from Benares.

Prabhupada: Pandiya means pandita. Brahmana. (Hindi) Illiterate.

Indian man: Actually if a man is literate but if there is no samskara, I can't say he is better than... If samskara is there and no education, then still I call he is better man. The man without samskara is nothing.

Prabhupada: It is..., that brahmacari means samskara, to become satyam samo damas titiksa arjavam jnana... Jnana... You can have knowledge simply by hearing, not by reading books.

Indian man: Yes, by reading and writing all these things. (Hindi) By hearing, knowledge by hearing.

Gopala Krsna: It gave him raja-vidya, which that Mrs. Dutt... you know that editor of that government paper? So I just wanted him to have a final look, grammatical... (Hindi)

Hari-sauri: Srila Prabhupada? What are these beads?

Prabhupada: I do not know. It was lying here, so I have packed.

Hari-sauri: Oh. Have they been chanted or anything?

Gopala Krsna: (at same time) Have you seen the Chinese Gita?

Prabhupada: I do not know what for it was taken here.

Hari-sauri: I don't know where they came from.

Gopala Krsna: Srimad-Bhagavatam, French. [break]

Prabhupada: They take it trifle. Husband and wife who are fighting, dam-pate kalahe caiva bambharambhe laghu kriya.(?) If there is fight between husband and..., it will be... The show will be very big, and the result will be nil. Bambharambhe laghu-kriya. "Never come to me! I shall not see your face! If you come, I shall kill you!" So on, so on. Then next moment they are talking. Bambharambhe laghu-kriya. These are taken very lightly, no seriously. Now they are going... Nowadays, in the court case, fifty percent of cases are divorce in India.

Hari-sauri: Same in the West.

Prabhupada: And that is also younger age, no old. Old age, they are never... There is no such case. Only younger generation, within thirties, twenty to thirty, they are fighting.

Hari-sauri: Even in the West, the Roman Catholic Church wouldn't allow divorce. The Church of England was started on that because Henry VIII didn't like his wife, and he wanted to divorce, and the Roman Catholic Church wouldn't let him. So then he did do, so they excommunicated him. So then he started his own church and made up his own laws. Otherwise, now there's a big push in Italy for divorce and everything, but even in the last ten years there's been no divorce. They don't allow it. And chastity of the woman was still very greatly appreciated too.

Prabhupada: Woman infidel, they are stoned among the Muhammadans. Christian also. "You have done..." Woman proved unchaste, she was punished. Is it not? The public would stone and kill. You know that punishment? Stoning?

Hari-sauri: Stoning, yes. It's mentioned a lot in early Christian times. They used to stone.

Prabhupada: Everyone will throw a stone. Very tortuous death, stoning.

Hari-sauri: I remember my auntie's mother. She was Italian, and she used to wear black all the time. Just like the widows here, they wear white, so she was wearing black. She was a widow. So all the widows, even I saw some young women...

Prabhupada: Here also, in Gujarat, they wear black, black sari.

Hari-sauri: Yes, right. And they wear black, and they don't dress attractively at all, and there's no question of marrying again.

Prabhupada: And Russia also, respectable widows, they used to live in widow's home. They would never marry.

Hari-sauri: And they would wear black too.

Prabhupada: I have seen that house when I was in Moscow. That was one of the... What is called...? They go to see, especially tourists.

Hari-sauri: Red Square?

Prabhupada: Red Square. No, I mean to say what is that called when they go to see specially something? Foreign Mecca(?).

Hari-sauri: Sightseeing.

Prabhupada: That, no. Sightseeing. So anyway, they took us to a house.

Hari-sauri: Oh, you went on a sightseeing tour.

Prabhupada: Ah, yes, that "Here, respectable widows." In Russia, after being widow, they used to live along with other respectable widows. They would never marry. Widow house. Live with queens and other respectable ladies. This was...

Hari-sauri: Now I think about seven or eight marriages out of every ten in Russia end up in divorce.

Prabhupada: Everywhere.

Hari-sauri: Yeah.

Prabhupada: So we shall go?

Hari-sauri: I just have to finish... [break] (end)