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Morning Room Conversation
February 16, 1977, Mayapura Satsvarupa: If you associate with a certain type of people, your reputation will be that you are like them, and you'll become like them.
Prabhupada: (chuckling) So our Sridhara Maharaja's associates are not very good. Then what is his position?
Satsvarupa: It cannot be said that he is opposed to them.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Satsvarupa: You can't say he is opposed to them if he always associates with them. They're envious...
Prabhupada: (sarcastically) Very good associates. That is his associate. He may not be very... No, everyone is not openly envious, everyone, but we can understand by behavior. Nobody is openly envious.
Satsvarupa: Just by keeping apart, he..., that..., he shows there's some enviousness. (long pause)
Prabhupada: Where is my cap?
Satsvarupa: (aside:) Maybe he had it.
Prabhupada: So socks will be required? [break]
Prabhupada: That cannot appeal to the higher educated person.
Prabhupada: And their behavior...
Prabhupada: The injunction is "Thou shall not kill." They are simply killing. How it will be effective?
Prabhupada: They announced that...(?) There is a hospital for drunkard priest.
Prabhupada: And they have introduced gambling.
Prabhupada: Homosex, what is that religion? And they're passing to homosex, religion. They're getting married man to man. Most degraded.
Hari-sauri: There's no difference between the behavior of a priest and the behavior of a gross atheist...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: That's all. Dress only.
Prabhupada: That is everywhere. Here also.
Tamala Krsna: Is there some mention in the Bhagavatam about this, that the religious men will wear only the clothes to make a profit? That people will wear religious clothing simply for making profit? Now religion is a good business. They take it like that.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. They exploit the sentiment.
Tamala Krsna: A man, when he thinks of his occupation, he thinks, "I can still get married and be the leader of the church. I'll get married, have a family, and this will be my profession, to be a priest."
Prabhupada: Profession.
Hari-sauri: One of my friends was considering, "Shall I..." He had come to a point where he was thinking, "Now I'll either become a police officer or I'll become a priest." But he couldn't quite make his mind up.
Prabhupada: In our college days we read one book. That was our textbook. It is a story, that a boy was meant for church and he fell in love with a girl. That is the psychology. Cloister and the Hearth. What is the cloister?
Prabhupada: And hearth? Home.
Prabhupada: That book was named Cloister and Hearth. So get Bombay finished very quickly and book-printing, stock, propaganda. [break]
Prabhupada: Yes. This I want to increase more and more. No money in the bank. In the books. And as soon as there will be stock of book, it has to be sold. Otherwise you will starve. (chuckling) That I want.
Prabhupada: You may take it as business or whatever you like. I am not taking anything. You are selling five to six lakhs daily?
Prabhupada: So my royalty would have been one lakh, fifty thousand daily. Big authors, they take twenty-five percent. So that is not the ambition, but my ambition is these books shall be sold. That's all. Whole... Every house should have our books, every gentleman, in any language. It doesn't matter. That is our propaganda. Now you are getting all languages, so we can capture the whole world.
Prabhupada: And we are getting success, at that. There is no question of discouragement.
Prabhupada: Now these books I have read, either Bengali or Hindi, they are well-written, very convincing. All our books are convincing.
Tamala Krsna: This is a very handsome type of binding. It's called... I'm not sure who has done... I think the libraries do. It's called "permabound." It's your pocketbook edition but bound into a hard cover. Very handy book.
Prabhupada: Recent publication?
Tamala Krsna: I don't... I'm not... I don't think that actually the BBT did this binding. This is done by someone else, but somehow I managed... It was in my office, so I brought it with me. But it's very nice to get the small pocket-size book but with a hard cover. For traveling it's very handy. On the back it gives mention inside of..., what the binding is.
Prabhupada: Where it is done?
Prabhupada: It is half-bound.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Hari-sauri: No, what they've done is they've taken off the paper cover, this pink, and they just hardbound it...
Prabhupada: Softbound.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Every book is... Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Nectar of Devotion. Whichever he will read, he will become Krsna conscious. [break] And then Krsna, then Bhagavata, then Caitanya-caritamrta, simply development.
Tamala Krsna: This book is now very nice because there are many fine illustrations inside, more than there used to be. They've added. The Teachings of Lord Caitanya, I was thinking in particular. I have a copy of that, and there are many color illustrations inside now. Wonderful book, the summary of all of Caitanya-caritamrta. Like Bhaktivinoda Thakura's introduction gives a whole... It's like all of the pastimes of Lord Caitanya condensed into a few pages.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is there in the Teaching of Lord Caitanya.
Prabhupada: Near Bombay.
Tamala Krsna: Bombay, at Rama temple you stayed at. This was taken by Brijbasi. They took this picture. [break]
Prabhupada: ...rasamrta-sindhu like my other books, word to word. Then Bon Maharaja began. So Bon Maharaja could not do it. Only he published only a part of it with gorgeous sound, that, only that eleven hundred or one thousand copies printed forever.
Prabhupada: Name only.
Prabhupada: Then I thought that "Not in that way. Let me have the summary study. Then it will be..."
Tamala Krsna: It's really nice that some of your books are like this, in summary study. It's a nice variety. Some are very scholarly presented and some are very for the other person.
Prabhupada: Krsna is summary study of the Tenth Canto. That is also very nice.
Prabhupada: Accha?
Tamala Krsna: Oh, they love that. Of course, Bhagavad-gita is the most well known, but people enjoy that Krsna book. From the Krsna book they get the clear idea who Krsna is.
Prabhupada: Yes. That was my... "Let them know at least what is Krsna." That is selling nicely.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Very nicely. I would say that the lay public, that is to say the people who attend our temples but are not becoming the full-time devotees, they especially read Krsna book and Gita.
Prabhupada: And that theologian, he says, "I want to support Krsna." He said?
Prabhupada: (laughs) Then he has become devotee.
Prabhupada: Our George Harrison, he also liked Krsna book.
Prabhupada: George Harrison.
Prabhupada: Yes. And I have acknowledged his contribution and blessed him as good boy. And because he served Krsna, then later on he became inclined to give us that house.
Prabhupada: Never mind what is the... We are using it. If he says "Go out," we shall go out. What is that? We are not after property.
Prabhupada: No. I don't think he's so mean-minded. No. He's not mean-minded. He's a good boy. I've studied.
Prabhupada: They're ideal.
Tamala Krsna: ...they look like they're out of the Caitanya-caritamrta. They appear as two persons right out of that book.
Prabhupada: Yes. Very good boys.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. They do not know except the duty. Very good boys.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Therefore Krsna has brought them here in Mayapura. Previously they were advanced, all of you. You are simply born because the mission was to be started. Just like in Yadu-vamsa Krsna ordered all the devotee demigods to "Go and take birth there to help Me." Similarly, you are also... You were born in Europe, America, to help this. Otherwise you were devotees in you past lives. I have explained that in my recent writings. The purport was mam eti: goes to Krsna where His pastime is going on, and then they are transferred to the original. So all the devotees picked up and they were placed together where Krsna is having His pastimes in either of these innumerable universes. He's going on. Just the moving... The sun is moving-little, little, little. So Krsna's pastimes go onthis universe, that universe, that universe, that universe. In some universe He's present. In all universes present, that is called nitya-lila. So those who are advanced, perfect devotees, first of all they are sent there and then, further trained up, they enter. Mam eti. Just like after passing the administration examination he's made one assistant of some magistrate, and then gradually he'll be promoted up to the high-court judge.
Hari-sauri: When we were in New York this last summer you said that the spiritual master also has associates who appear along with him to help him in his mission.
Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna wants His assistants; the spiritual master also requires assistant. Everything is going on under Krsna's direct supervision. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10].
isvarah sarva-bhutanam
hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya [Bg. 18.61] So Bombay work is going on.
Prabhupada: People come to see even what is going on now.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Many big people come to see. When I was there a very big life member came with his wife. Giriraja is constantly giving tours of the construction, showing, "This will be like this; this will be like this." People are very impressed. There is no such place in all of Bombay.
Prabhupada: No, no, no.
Prabhupada: No, no.
Prabhupada: This is Saurabha's credit. He has designed.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: The utilization is especially unique. It is so much more than just a temple. That is what's impressingthe restaurant, the theater, temple...
Prabhupada: Every inch is utilized.
Prabhupada: No, that is not possible within that small (laughs)...
Tamala Krsna: Not in that area. But I'm just thinking in terms of programs, that one time you wanted in Gorakhpur to do something.
Prabhupada: That you can do in Hyderabad. Six hundred acres.
Prabhupada: Yes, Vrndavana.
Tamala Krsna: Was that your plan for Kuruksetra, to have a university there?
Prabhupada: If you can develop all this, you don't require separate. But if the government donates the land or give us acquiring, then we can do something. That life member, big life member, came to see?
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Very big man. I don't remember his name. New member. Giriraja was giving a tour. It should be very finely built. It should not be too hastily made.
Prabhupada: No, no.
Tamala Krsna: Just like I notice that this building is actually first class. The construction is very first class. It's very solid.
Prabhupada: Hm. Very solid.
Prabhupada: No, no. We have appointed there first-class engi...
Tamala Krsna: Just like I notice many modern, many newer buildings in India, because they are rushing the work it is not of the same quality. Just like Birla's. All of their homes are very fine. And also the Bangurs of Calcutta. Their homes... They take a lot of time that all the marble is made properly, everything. The walls are done nicely.
Prabhupada: Yes. So let it be done like that.
Tamala Krsna: Our members, they have discrimination. They can tell when something is done first class or not.
Prabhupada: You have been in Vrndavana?
Prabhupada: That building is also coming very nice.
Prabhupada: Gurukula. Very gorgeous and nice. And if there are gates and road in our name, (laughing) that will be unique in India. Then people will come to Vrndavana to see our... Nowadays also, they are coming to see our temple. Anyone who comes. That prasada distribution is going on in the evening?
Devotee: Daily.
Prabhupada: Yes. That must be done. Anyone who comes to see the arati, at least two puris, little vegetable, halava should be given. Prasada distribution should go on everywhere. Who said that that is my trick? Who was...?
Prabhupada: Oh, somebody...
Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. So Jayapataka has not returned?
Devotee: No. Not yet.
Prabhupada: That will be very nice center, Panihati. Then we shall control the whole Ganges from Calcutta to Mayapura. We'll have so many steamers. (laughs)
Prabhupada: Yes. At least four steamers always plying from Calcutta to Mayapura. Therefore I am after that center. It will be middle station. And you can go in this way, Rijay(?), by electricity. Go this side, that side, this side, that side.
Prabhupada: It will be very nice recreation also, to go by the steamer here, there.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: They know. They appreciate. The Home Member has appreciated. He personally told Gopala Krsna, "Yes, we want that this movement should spread all over the world." Not in writing, but verbally he has stated, although he's Christian. Every sane man will appreciate. Indira Gandhi also. You said that she has advised.
Prabhupada: Unless she appreciates, why she has done? And the ambassador.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. He has given his certification. At first he was unwilling, but he became... When he got permission from India, then...
Prabhupada: Indian government should be proud that Indian culture is being accepted in America.
Hari-sauri: They can see that we're a lot more effective than any Christian ministry. We're a lot more effective in the work we're doing for spreading their culture, or Indian culture, than the Christians are in India.
Prabhupada: Although nonviolence is a very good word, but who can accept it? We don't say such rascal things, imagination. We introduce Krsna, encouraging, "Fight!" Nonsense nonviolence. (chuckles) "Ksatriya, you should fight. Don't talk nonsense." Kutas tva kasmalam idam. "What kind of talking you are doing? You're My friend." And he wanted to introduce nonviolence. Where is nonviolence in Gita? Artificial, all artificial.
Prabhupada: And he wants to prove nonviolence from Gita. Just see how foolish he was. If you say publicly that he was a rascal, fool, then you become unpopular. But actually he was a rascal fool. (laughs) Artificial. Krsna says, "You fight," and these rascals say, "Nonviolent." He's more than cheating. Mayavadi.
Prabhupada: Yes. Cheater, one must be due to ignorance. Generally one who is fool, he commits criminality. No sane man does it. Sane means he knows what is what. He does not commit mistake. But to commit mistake means he's insane, ignorant. That is not innocence-ignorance, foolish.
Prabhupada: Innocence, he..., like a child. But ignorant means he has no knowledge; he is animal. So what about the advertisement? He has not done?
Hari-sauri: The book advertisement? Did you see that? Prabhupada wrote out an advertisement, "Read Hare Krsna books, worldwide Hare Krsna books, and be happy." Then he listed all the books and where to buy them from.
Prabhupada: And I gave him 22,000 rupees.
Tamala Krsna: He didn't mention anything to me. I was there only for one day, but he did not mention it. I can write him if you want. He'll be coming here...
Prabhupada: We cannot understand what is the position of this land acquisition. They'll remain silent?
Tamala Krsna: Really? Ramakrishna Mission. Envious. Even though they're not near here, still they can understand how prominent we would become.
Prabhupada: We have already become more than, more important than.
Prabhupada: What...? Rejected. I think of them, dead. They may think themselves that they very full of life, but I think they are dead. What is the use of fighting with the dead body? Dead horse and what is the use of whipping? A dead horse will rise up by whipping?
Prabhupada: I think all of them are dead.
Hari-sauri: Yes, they're not doing anything. They've retired. They built their own little place, and now they're retired.
Prabhupada: There is no activity throughout the whole world, er, whole year. Only they come during the festival.
Prabhupada: That's it.
Prabhupada: That's it. That they actually do. With this festival, they collect. Whatever they collect, they spend twenty-five percent for the festival, and seventy-five percent they keep it for eating whole year. This is their business. That's a fact, they admit it. And they have no other source.
Prabhupada: Who knows them? Why they will be support it? My Guru Maharaja used to, (Bengali): "A pandemonium of eating and sleeping. Joint mess." Joint mess, just without any Deity, nobody will pay. Therefore... Not for preaching. So make this program immediately. Bring huge quantity of books and distribute. And see that books are not wasted, not stolen, neglected. This is our life and soul property. Jaya. (end)
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