Prabhupada: ...and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.

Hari-sauri: No, they can't stop this movement. It's not possible to stop this movement now.

Prabhupada: No, it is not possible. That I'm certain. It is advertising indirectly. (laughs)

Hari-sauri: Will things get physically violent?

Prabhupada: Well, the violence there may be. It doesn't matter.

Hari-sauri: We should... If we have to, we can...

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. We must... Self-protection must be there.

Hari-sauri: Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to...

Prabhupada: Fight!

Hari-sauri: Then we'll have to fight.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.

Hari-sauri: Yes. If we don't get protection from the government, then what can we do?

Prabhupada: Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that "Here is deprogrammer and kidnapper," kill him. Finish!

Hari-sauri: And if we go to court, then it's self-defense.

Prabhupada: Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.

Hari-sauri: Yes. Definitely.

Prabhupada: That should be done.

Hari-sauri: We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give 'em a good hiding.

Prabhupada: There is civil war. Why not this?

Hari-sauri: Yes. This is... This is a big fight now.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: (laughs) You're the world's greatest revolutionary.

Hari-sauri: Now that we're being attacked like this physically...

Prabhupada: So we must attack them also.

Hari-sauri: Should we actually have a training program so that our...

Prabhupada: No.

Hari-sauri: ... we'd know how to defend? Like you were saying varnasrama...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: ...system there must be ksatriya and everything like that.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: Should we actually start to...

Prabhupada: Train.

Hari-sauri: ...train up some of our men so they know how to fight?

Prabhupada: Yes, why not?

Hari-sauri: 'Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don't... They're not...

Prabhupada: They are not trained up.

Hari-sauri: Trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional gundas.

Prabhupada: That...? What is that? "Kivat?" They practice self-defense?

Hari-sauri: Karate.

Prabhupada: Karate.

Hari-sauri: There's different forms of self-defense. (end)