Prabhupada: For the time being, suspended?

Jayapataka: I don't like to make opinion till I go and see.

Prabhupada: Hm. What was their proposal?

Jayapataka: Well, they come and... [break]

Prabhupada: Our mission is to preach Gauranga philosophy. Therefore we are taking. So why the municipal cannot give land for this public purpose?

Jayapataka: That's what I mean, is that I think that if we saw actually what law that is and then we discuss it in a proper way it might be possible.

Prabhupada: It is lying vacant. So...

Jayapataka: There are so many places which are like that, where there is mandira being built and and seva-puja is going on, and there is one sevaita or one organization has got the seva responsibility, and that's under their charge. I think that that legality can be worked around, whatever it may be. Because our purpose is public.

Prabhupada: The municipal means public.

Jayapataka: Yes.

Prabhupada: So for public benefit why they shall not give?

Jayapataka: Even that place at Calcutta, they never said it was illegal to give to us. They only said they didn't want to give. That Calcutta pukura, they never said it was illegal to give. So in this place, they said they want to give. So why they should...?

Prabhupada: Where is illegality? For public, it is a historical place.

Jayapataka: They might have come to see whether we would do... You have a light?

Prabhupada: The light is outside. There is no lantern? No, one will do.

Jayapataka: We never met this municipal executive. He might have just suggested that "Let's see if they'll do it without giving them."

Prabhupada: Hm?

Jayapataka: This municipal executive we didn't meet. He's just appointed by the government. He might have just suggested something like "Let's see if they'll do the work without us being very firmly obligated," Just testing us. Exactly what... But we can't do anything like that. But maybe that Gargamuni didn't understand their English very well, or they didn't...

Prabhupada: So tomorrow you'll go to see whom?

Jayapataka: I was thinking to go Monday because tomorrow is Sunday.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Jayapataka: So many times they've come. I don't see that suddenly their story should change so drastically.

Prabhupada: They came before also?

Jayapataka: Oh yes. They came even to Mayapura. They have shown some enthusiasm and now at the last minute, they'll change their story so much.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: It doesn't seem... It might be some misunderstanding.

Prabhupada: And why they don't reply it? We have...

Jayapataka: Yes, they have... They should give us, anyway, written reply. Why they are verbally saying? Whatever they say, they should say in writing. We have written. [break]

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...milk, you get gobar.

Jayapataka: One boy has come from Miami who has been trained to work with the cows, a grhastha, and he is considering seriously to stay and develop this...

Prabhupada: That's nice.

Jayapataka: ...so we can have enough milk for all the devotees.

Prabhupada: Name.

Jayapataka: His name was...

Satsvarupa: Janardana? No.

Jayapataka: Yes, I think so. Janardana.

Prabhupada: What is the name?

Jayapataka: Janardana.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Jayapataka: And that gentleman you were just talking with this morning, he is the head of the department of veterinary, of tropical college of medicine on Chittaranjan.

Prabhupada: What is his name?

Jayapataka: Mr. Rao.

Prabhupada: Raot?

Jayapataka: Raot maybe, yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. He's good man. He offered me obeisances flat. Hm. So he's a good man.

Jayapataka: Last time he came he was chanting Hare Krsna much.

Prabhupada: Yes. So treat him nicely.

Jayapataka: I offered that he should come at least once or twice a month. He can see the cows, and he can take prasada, and we'll give him...

Prabhupada: With family come. And he'll have good association of the devotees.

Jayapataka: Yes.

Prabhupada: Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam [Bg. 18.44]. The other day you were asking me about the wages, labor.

Jayapataka: Yes.

Prabhupada: So our point is the devotees shall work. So there is no program to pay wages.

Jayapataka: Gradually, more and more, we're getting more devotees who can work in the agriculture. But to date, most of the people that join are either the handloomers or... We're getting mostly handloomers and to some extent some more learned, more educated boys.

Prabhupada: Not labor class.

Jayapataka: Not labor class. But we need them also for translation and other things. So to make up the gap them we had to hire. But that's lessened... Now we're getting also. Some labor class are joining.

Prabhupada: So hire. That also he can become devotee. He can spare fifty percent of his income. Then he becomes a devotee. Hiring men and working, I don't think that will be very profitable. Then we can purchase from the market.

Jayapataka: Even a lot of men are used for making the garden. In the beginning, converting the land to garden land for flowers requires a lot of labor. Because flowers require very...

Prabhupada: Fertile.

Jayapataka: ...fertile and particularly fine soil that has to be dug and chopped and cleaned out.

Prabhupada: Ordinary soil flower does not grow?

Jayapataka: No, it... Not so well. In our city project we are thinking that those laborers who would be devotees, mostly the labor class, they won't like to live separate from their families. So we were thinking that they could be paid something, and then they would give half of that, as you suggested, back. In this way they would be devotees, And they would eat prasada with everyone and attend all the programs, but they'd buy their own cloth and things with the other half. But they would have to have separate quarters somewhere.

Prabhupada: Where? Within our campus or outside?

Jayapataka: That would be a separate area. Of course, in that vast city project there was enough room for different quarters where one place brahmacaris could stay, other place, families. Just like now it's actually getting overcrowded for the handlooms. We should have a separate, one big handloom place. That would be more efficient.

Prabhupada: Where you have?

Jayapataka: Where... Just the place would have to be... Their place is a bit irregular. Seeing the ultimate plan, we have to find out one place. It would be in this area somewhere. Now they're keeping records of how much is spent on agriculture, and how much is received. So what is the profit or loss, that can be ascertained. And actually that's not such a threat because I know that many of the things he is doing by contract. If at some time we need outside laborer for, say, harvest time, we need to harvestso we pay them ten rupees or twenty rupees to harvest one bigha. So there is no question of labor. That is the contract.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: In so many ways we can...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: ...go around that.

Prabhupada: That's all.

Jayapataka: Envious people just trying to upset. The Western devotees that come, they are amazed that all of the devotees that are here, all the families are living separate from their wives. No temple has achieved that yet.

Prabhupada: Everything can be done by practice.

Jayapataka: The hari-nama is purifying them because they are chanting so many hours. Now, when we give class, they also ask questions.

Prabhupada: Life is coming.

Jayapataka: Yes. Taking time. (laughs)

Prabhupada: That is the fact.

Jayapataka: You can put the life in the dead man Srila Prabhupada. We were all practically dead but you are putting life in us.

Prabhupada: I don't think in any other place there are so many activities.

Jayapataka: No.

Prabhupada: They come during that festival only.

Satsvarupa: Every night many people come. (end)