Prabhupada: ...how such grhastha. It is never recognized.

Jayapataka: You are actually the only one preaching there. You're the only one who has showed any preaching capacity.

Prabhupada: No self-interestthat is the difference. I wanted to serve. That is the difference. But now it is clear. None of them, they want to serve. They want to make one establishment so that they can eat and sleep. Of course, there is some preaching, but if, there is, preaching is the purpose, why they should separate? That is not the purpose. The purpose is that "I must have some separate establishment as ordinary karmis they have got their separate establishment." Preaching is not that, neither they can preach with enviousness. So, what to do?

Jayapataka: In any case, he has not yet accepted, and it will take sometime to build your house.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is not... On principle, I am talking on the principle. That is not yet. It will take some, at least two, three years or at least one year, but this is the position. This Damodara Maharaja you have already experience about... (laughs)

Bhavananda: Yes. And he is like an ant compared to them.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bhavananda: He is like an ant. They are more envious.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: He has no intelligence.

Prabhupada: They are like wasp.

Jayapataka: Even yesterday, Madhusudana Maharaja, he was insulting Damodara to his face. He said, Damodara Maharaja... His brahmacari asked him, "Are you coming?" And he said, "No. I'll stay." And Madhusudana said, "Yes, you have to stay and give all the reports to Sridhara Maharaja. Getting all the information, now you have to give all the reports. You have much important things to discuss. You stay and give all these secret reports."

Prabhupada: Accha? He was saying like that?

Jayapataka: Yes. I was surprised.

Prabhupada: When?

Jayapataka: When you took rest and they were downstairs. So he said like that to Damodara.

Prabhupada: Oh. He is appointed to take secret reports.

Jayapataka: Yes. I guess he goes and gets the report.

Bhavananda: Self-appointed.

Hari-sauri: That's his business. He goes from one place to another, gossiping.

Jayapataka: Who appointed, that I don't know. But that's his business. And then Damodara was telling about his journey on the bus and train, but Madhusudana Maharaja didn't seem very interested. He criticized, "Why do you go to Kumbhamela? What is going for bathing? What is special about that bath?" And then he challenged that, "We go for preaching." "But what preaching you did there?" "No, I preached, gave lectures."

Prabhupada: Hm?

Jayapataka: Damodara Maharaja said, "I gave lecture at the mandira, Gaudiya Matha."

Prabhupada: In Allahabad.

Jayapataka: One advantage is they don't know any... Of course now, we have so many Bengali devotees. They don't know much English. They can generally speak most only in Bengali, most of these Godbrothers.

Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, he's surrounded by these men. I don't think he'll come. I think they will...

Jayapataka: They'll influence him not to come.

Bhavananda: Yes. They are always there, around, around, around.

Prabhupada: No, whatever they like, they do, but I think we shall not insist on this point because we cannot stop the association.

Jayapataka: And if we hear anything against your Divine Grace it is more painful than death for us.

Prabhupada: They are very envious.

Jayapataka: There's one good news, Srila Prabhupada. Gargamuni called last night. Mahendra had informed him that we're going to have our 747 jumbo jet land in Calcutta.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Jayapataka: It will be the first commercial flight. They have 310 people coming on the flight.

Prabhupada: So the government will receive.

Jayapataka: Then the government will receive them. It will be publicized all over India.

Prabhupada: Very good. When they are coming?

Jayapataka: I'm going to call again today to find exact date. About 24th, 25th.

Prabhupada: What is the date today?

Bhavananda: 11th.

Jayapataka: Two weeks only.

Prabhupada: So in the meantime, your, this thing will be finished or not?

Jayapataka: They all say that it will be finished in about five days, the wiring, and five days the flooring. And the bathrooms are already finished on the first floor. They're putting the fittings, and half of them are put in.

Bhavananda: The floors will not be polished, but...

Prabhupada: That doesn't matter.

Bhavananda: Water will be there, electricity, and clean.

Jayapataka: So this morning you won't go..., be going on a walk. You're not feeling up to a walk this morning? It affected your kidney or your digestion?

Prabhupada: That I cannot say. But the foodstuff is not digesting. That can I say. I am not feeling at all appetite.

Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada I haven't digested either from yesterday.

Prabhupada: Accha? What is the reason?

Satsvarupa: I don't know. Eating here was very nice, and now, since yesterday...

Hari-sauri: I digested all mine. (laughter)

Prabhupada: Same digestion. (laughterbreak)

Jayapataka: Sridhara Swami is such a learned person... [break]

Prabhupada: ...here is envious. So envious, upeksa, means they should not be associated. Isvare tad-adhinesu balisesu dvisatsu ca. Four division: God, isvara; and tad-adhinesu. Devotees, those who have accepted... [break] That is devotee. Balisa, those who are innocent. Preaching...

Jayapataka: Like child, balisa.

Prabhupada: Yes. They should be trained up. And dvisatsu, envious. Four division. So four divisions you have to treat in different ways. Prema, Lord, prema, love. Maitri, friendship with devotees. Krpa balisu, those who are innocent, the krpa. Let them learn. And upeksa. As soon as come to the dvisat, no cooperation. Keep aloof. So when we try to keep aloof from the envious, that is not our enviousness. That is just to avoid trouble for preaching work. Not that we hate them. But because... When you avoid a snake, it does not mean I hate the snake, but because he is harmful we have to take precaution. This is the statement of Bhagavatam. And when you are in the maha-bhagavata stage, first-grade, that time, paramahamsa, nobody's enemy, nobody's friend. Everyone... That we cannot imitate. It is not... Preacher, even if he's maha-bhagavata, he comes to the second stage. Just like Guru Maharaja. He's maha-bhagavata, but still he had to come to the second stage. He had to take precaution. That is natural. There are so many enemies of...

Jayapataka: We were remembering how Nitai had been poisoned, Nitai and Yogananda are your disciples. They were recently poisoned.

Prabhupada: Hm. By whom?

Hari-sauri: Nitai.

Jayapataka: By bad association. Nitai?

Prabhupada: Ah hah, ah, yes.

Jayapataka: That... So many devotees are very innocent. They'll fall prey. They'll be impressed by some fancy talking and then can be misled.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: But Your Divine Grace is very expert in very carefully training them up stage by stage.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: But other, they like to go right to the higher philosophy.

Prabhupada: Last night I could not work.

Arundhati: Pradyumna just gave me a tape. It must have been from the other night?

Prabhupada: Accha?

Arundhati: So...

Jayapataka: It's a very...

Prabhupada: Yes. Just to give them protection. So when we avoid envious persons, that is the injunction of the sastras. This man wrote to the chief minister or prime minister complaining about them?

Jayapataka: About his electric connection.

Prabhupada: Who?

Jayapataka: That Mahesh Pandit. You're talking about the man of Mahesh Pandit?

Prabhupada: No, no. This Damodara Maharaja.

Jayapataka: The chief minister.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: Yes? He gave false name; he signed it false. He said that we're coming with banduka and chasing the sadhus and that we're harassing people, beating them. So many things he wrote, false. He said, "Most envious is Bhavananda and just like him is Jayapataka." Then he said that "Tapomaya, he is simply their lackey. He goes and harasses people," this and that. Then the police came, and they showed us the letter, and we both looked at each other and said, "This looks like something that Damodara Maharaja would do." So we advised the police, "We think that he did it." So the police went over there and they said as soon as they had the letter he started shaking. They said, "Is this your letter?" He said, "No." He says, "You wrote this letter." Because they could see he was nervous. They are experienced. They said, "All right, you give your signature." And then he signed, and although he tried to change it, they said, "No. This is the same signature. Now we're going to take you to the thana." [police station] "No, no. I am sometimes a little crazy." Ami ektu pagala. "I didn't mean this..." Then he admitted. But he sent that to the chief minister.

Prabhupada: Just see. How envious.

Jayapataka: Naturally, any letter to the chief minister, they...

Prabhupada: Take action.

Jayapataka: ...take action.

Prabhupada: He is dangerous. He has proved dangerous in so many ways. (end)