Morning Conversation

April 29, 1977, Bombay
Prabhupada: They say that the first-class yogi is he who will have as much as possible sex but he will not discharge. Krsna was that yogi. He had sex with so many gopis, but He would not discharge.
Tamala Krsna: They say that?
Prabhupada: That is the test of first-class yogi. These rascals, they say like that.
Tamala Krsna: They call that tantrika-yoga?
Prabhupada: I do not know what is that also. I... One rascal fool, medical man, was attending my pharmacy. Dr. Ghosh was also. He used to say like that. He was practicing yoga.
Tamala Krsna: He was... That's what they're all doing.
Prabhupada: And he'll not discharge. Still remain with his sperm. Yogi. Tantrika-yogi.
Tamala Krsna: Tantrika.
Prabhupada: And practice yoga in the crematorium. Nine woman friend and sex and perform meditation without discharge.
Tamala Krsna: Where do they do this?
Prabhupada: In the burning ghata, where this dead body is burned.
Tamala Krsna: They do this with a dead body?
Prabhupada: No, no.
Tamala Krsna: Oh. But they go there.
Prabhupada: This is called tantrika-yoga.
Tamala Krsna: In that book that had your Krsna book quotation there's a thing about tantrika-yoga, and this very thing is mentioned. What you're telling me now, it's mentioned there, that the test is to have sex and not allow any semina to pass. They mention that.
Prabhupada: I have mentioned?
Tamala Krsna: No, they quote from some other authority.
Prabhupada: Oh, that we...
Tamala Krsna: Shall I...?
Prabhupada: No, I don't...
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, but it's confirmed, anyway. Yeah, that's what that Rajneesh says. They asked him, "Why are you with so many women?" He said, "This is the proof, that I am able to be with all these women but not be disturbed." But that doesn't really answer why he's with them. Our point is: "Why are you with them? Never mind whether you're disturbed or... Why are you with them? What benefit are you getting? They are not God. So why are you spending so much time with them?"
Prabhupada: That is their way of sadhana.
Tamala Krsna: Everyone admits that this is luxurious, fifth floor of...
Prabhupada: It is luxurious. [break] ...the ata dough. So after it is cooked... They have got ghee. That ball soaked in ghee and the dal, it is so nice when taken. That is called bati. Very quickly made. And after eating, with that ash the two or three utensils, mean the lota and the plate, they'll cleanse it very nice and walk away. And that food is sufficient for twenty-four hours. Within twenty-four hours he will not be hungry and feel very strong. The two things. And you can cook anywhere without any difficulty. In India, especially in village, you can get so many dried cow dung. So fuel is ready. The ata is packed up. And ghee in a pot. That's all. How simple life. Simply they'll sit down where there is water, and they'll take water. Then everything is arranged. No hotel. Or even there is no ata, they keep their own ghee, homemade, pure. Ata can be purchased anywhere in the village. There is no need of carrying ata. So this preparation for tourists... Tourists, Indian tourists, means going to some holy place. They have no other sightseeing, no program. All villagers, they are still... The pilgrimage in holy places, now no educated man goes. Very rarely. All these villagers by thousands... They... You see this Tirupati, Tirumala. All the contribution by the villagers. By their hard-earned money they keep something for going. You have seen Tirupati, Tirumal...? Standing for hours to contribute in a line. Hundreds of people. They'll come, contribute something. Then they'll shave their head, see the Deity, have some bath in the adjoining lake. Then they'll take prasadam. That is very big tank. Everywhere. In India, wherever some famous temple is there, there is a tank. Now the haircutting, that lakhs of rupees are sold to foreign countries is hair. Heaps. These managers, they are selling the hairs. Very big business. The foreign countries, the black hair, they purchase it at good price for making wig. (pause) So that is written nice. He wanted to criticize me, but he could not do it very strongly. He did not like the idea that I am sticking to Bhagavad-gita. That was his... But it has been shown that our sticking to Bhagavad-gita, that is our mission. And it is a science. Why he called sectarian? When Krsna says anything, that is science. "Two plus two equal to four" is acceptable by everyone. Why it is sect...? Actually all religion is going on under the plea, "We believe." What is this nonsense, "We believe"? If you believe "Two plus two equal to five," will it be correct? Their religion is "We believe." So our Bhagavad-gita is not like that. It is fact. That is the difference. [break] ...of him. I was staying there in one big room. Crazy. Alone I am.
Tamala Krsna: He had tried to attack you?
Prabhupada: No, he couldn't act. Gone crazy.
Tamala Krsna: Taking LSD.
Prabhupada: So immediately I transferred myself to Jergens, keeping my goods at Mukunda's place, Michael. Then I searched out that 26 Second Avenue. From going to 26 Second Avenue taking this risk of two hundred dollars, then I became little relieved. Before that, I was simply vagabond. That was the first shelter. Then this Kirtanananda, Hayagriva, Satsvarupa, Umapati, they guided. Brahmananda. Some other boys also came, and they left.
Tamala Krsna: Stryadhisa.
Prabhupada: Hm? Stryadhisa. So after getting that shelter, I began to grow. Everything was very precarious condition-vagabond. I was selling some books. I thought that "This boy will be trained up" when I got that place. He invited me to "Come to my loft." It was very big loft. I was holding class, collecting ten dollars. Then he was not paying rent. He gave me the charge of paying rent. So Krsna was giving by collecting. It was on the top. Still, people were coming. Great story. Never mind. Now we... From my part, whatever is possible. Now you take care. That is my request. Don't spoil it. Now it is up to you. My, this ailment... I can pass away at any moment. My health is not good. I am old man. It is not surprising. Now you GBC, young boys, all, American, expert, you have got all intelligence, resources, so don't spoil. Let the movements go forward more and more. Now you have got nice places, filled with devotees. Don't be anxious for me. That, Krsna will take. And even if I go, where is the harm? Old man. I have given my ideas and direction in my books. People appreciate. I think from my side I have done everything. Is it not? Do you think or not?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, you have done everything.
Prabhupada: Hm? So you are young men, American boys.
Tamala Krsna: Still, we want the whole Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: That will be done. Even it is not fulfilled, so there is no harm. But don't send me, in any case, in hospital. Now I am pointing out this. They are useless.
Tamala Krsna: There's no doubt that you know your body a lot better than they could ever know it. You've lived with it for so many years. They just take somebody's body and they make so many...
Prabhupada: Now it is a fact, the Yaso (Israel?) Hospital failure. [break] So many temples. I have given my program how to manage it. Now you see. That is my anxiety, that there may not be any discrepancies or slackness. Am I right or wrong?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So far money is here, scattered, you can take charge and do the needful. I kept some money here, there, just to... But now you can take charge of the all money, one or two or three of you, and let me remain free from all management. And only request is, don't spoil it. I sometimes chastise everyone that may not be spoiled. You are taking care of everything, but still more careful. I can live without any food, simply taking these fruits. There is no difficulty.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, there are people who do that.
Prabhupada: Yes. And we don't care for the lunch. What is the... I am sitting idly. I haven't got to work hard. I don't require food, little fruits even. Those who are working, they require food to get strength, but I am sitting idly, and brain is working. So so far my physical necessity, there is no necessity of food. But I may not so depend on that going to the bath, toilet. I require... And that is also not required. There are many persons. That Rajda... I... He was also... I have seen many men. For rising up, they require help.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, that's normal in old age. That's not unusual.
Prabhupada: I can walk. There is no difficulty. But getting up... I can... If I try, I can get up also.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, you would do it even in Mayapura. Sometimes you would ring the bell and no one came. You'd get up yourself.
Prabhupada: That is also not difficult.
Tamala Krsna: But why should you take that risk?
Prabhupada: No, I shall not. I fell down...
Tamala Krsna: I know, in Calcutta.
Prabhupada: ...in Calcutta. That is bathroom, very slippery. Anyway, why shall I take the risk?
Tamala Krsna: No, we don't want that.
Prabhupada: So hold meeting daily and chalk out program. Do very diligently everything so I can see that things are going on nicely without my managerial interference. That will make me happy. And I'll go on writing. There is... (pause) You are feeling all right?
Upendra: Yes, Prabhupada. I was just thinking of... When you were speaking about not eating... We take pleasure in watching you eat. It is our pleasure to see you eat and enjoy the prasadam. [break]
Prabhupada: ...mentally to keep the brain, little fruit, milk, is sufficient. So I may live only on fruit or milk. There is no difficulty. What is the use of taking capatis and rice?
Tamala Krsna: Of course, when you have a taste for it, then you should take.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is practice. As food value, fruits and milk is sufficient.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Habit is there also.
Prabhupada: All the great saintly persons in India, they used to live in forest. What food? Only fruits and milk. Sometimes they use to take grains. Otherwise milk and... Simple milk is all food, cow's milk. I want to take cow's milk. This is all rubbish.
Tamala Krsna: Oh. Really?
Prabhupada: Little cow's milk twice.
Tamala Krsna: (aside:) That milk's not good, Prabhupada said.
Prabhupada: So far gurukula is concerned, that also, I have given program. They have given the name of "girls." We are not going to do that.
Tamala Krsna: What is that?
Prabhupada: Girls. Boys and girls. That is dangerous.
Tamala Krsna: Gurukula.
Prabhupada: In that article.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, oh, oh.
Prabhupada: Girls should be completely separated from the very beginning. They are very dangerous.
Tamala Krsna: So we're... I thought there were girls in Vrndavana now. They said that they're going to have the girls' gurukula behind the boys' gurukula. Gopala was talking about that.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. No girls.
Tamala Krsna: It should be in another city or somewhere else.
Prabhupada: Yes. They should be taught how to sweep, how to stitch...
Tamala Krsna: Clean.
Prabhupada: ...clean, cook, to be faithful to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: They don't require a big school.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is mistake. They should be taught how to become obedient to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, you won't learn that in school.
Prabhupada: Little education, they can...
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. That they can get at home also.
Prabhupada: They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated-coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they become prostitutes. And they encourage.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah.
Prabhupada: They distribute pills. I have seen the boys and girls dancing together, embracing, in the school film. That ruins the career. Both of them are ruined. That is very regrettable. Then you shall require this sterilization, pills, another big program. They are creating animal civilization, and when the animals are disturbing, they are trying to find out some other means. This is their program. First of all create animals. Then, when the animals behave like animals, then another program. Why do you create animal? Woman brahmacarini, this is artificial.
Tamala Krsna: In our centers, though, there are so many brahmacarinis, and even sometimes they're encouraged to remain brahmacarini.
Prabhupada: That they cannot. As soon as they will find opportunity, they will become vyabhicarini.
Tamala Krsna: They'll become what?
Prabhupada: Vyabhicarini. For woman, protection.
Tamala Krsna: So you don't advocate this remaining sing..., these women remaining brahmacarinis.
Prabhupada: Therefore polygamy was allowed. Let them be taken care of, one husband, three wives. Therefore the ksatriyas were taking hundreds of women. They had money.
Prabhupada: Ksatriyas.
Tamala Krsna: Ksatriyas, yes.
Prabhupada: Just like we see, when Devaki was married, so many Devaki's young friends also went. They were taken shelter. The woman population is always bigger. (end)

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