Prabhupada: This is all right. And hand he cannot take? Problem. It is a problem?

Devotee (1): They're ready, Prabhupada. Yeah.

Prabhupada: So make a subcommittee immediately, resolution, consisting myself, yourself, and Gopala Krsna and Lokanatha Swami.

Svarupa Damodara: Lokanatha?

Prabhupada: Swami. We are all Indians. There will be no difficulty.

Svarupa Damodara: Gopala Krsna is Canadian.

Prabhupada: No, he is Indian. Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: He's a Canadian, no?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Tamala Krsna: His citizenship, yeah. By birth he's Indian, but by citizenship he's Canadian.

Prabhupada: So by Indian birth, that is all right. Citizenship, I am also Canadian. I have got Canadian immigration. First of all I took Canada immigration. Then, from there, I took U.S. immigration. So make a subcommittee immediately. Make resolution. Accha. What about the Canadian, Australian, English men? They also require the same?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: There is no excepting an Englishman. So anyway, you make these four men, subcommittee, and you take whatever land is given, given up to Krsna. Then pick up selected persons from each family and make a strong body. And then we organize Burma and Bangladesh. And he's going to Ceylon. Formerly India, Burma, Ceylon, they were one. And somebody's going to Pakistan. So there is chance of uniting all these different parts of India by Krsna consciousness. You have to organize. At least you organize here, Manipur center, Burma, and Bangladesh, and Assam. It will be successful.

Svarupa Damodara: In Tripura also there are many Manipuris.

Prabhupada: Eh? Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: Tripura.

Prabhupada: Yes. Indians... And Manipur, there are many men from Bangladesh.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes. Sylhet.

Prabhupada: From Sylhet. Sylhet is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's place. There is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's forefathers' house, Sylhet. So what talk you had with that doctor?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, his name is Dr. Sir M. S. Thakur, and we had a very interesting talk yesterday, and he's willing to come and stay in the temple for at least a week. He's going to come and stay here for at least a week.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Svarupa Damodara: He wanted to learn more about Krsna consciousness.

Prabhupada: Very good. Let him come. Give him good place, and we shall talk.

Svarupa Damodara: Giriraja Prabhu was also present.

Prabhupada: Oh, you were also present?

Giriraja: Yes.

Prabhupada: And what about municipality?

Giriraja: I met Mr. Rajda, and he had written a very nice letter to the Commissioner, and, the thing is, the typist made many mistakes, so in his office I personally retyped it, but by that time it was too late to meet the Commissioner, so he said to ring up today. But I also met the architect yesterday, and he says that the permission for the Gurukula is ready. It's signed and everything, and he's going to pick it up, I think, tomorrow morning. So in retyping the letter I minimized that. He said that actually those people were helping us, but they just had to, you know, dispose of Matrey's objections first. So the main things we're approaching for is this ten-foot piece of land, which is going to be a constant trouble.

Prabhupada: They have no use to ask for this ten feet.

Giriraja: No.

Prabhupada: Neither they have paid for it.

Giriraja: No, they haven't.

Prabhupada: Then why they are trying to occupy it unnecessarily?

Tamala Krsna: What would they want to do with that ten feet?

Prabhupada: No aim.

Giriraja: It only has harassment value.

Prabhupada: That's all.

Tamala Krsna: They can't plant trees there.

Giriraja: No.

Prabhupada: They can do nothing, they have no use, but simply harassment, these people.

Giriraja: Yeah. That's the only reason.

Prabhupada: So impress this point to Mr. Rajda.

Giriraja: Mr. Rajda himself in his letter wrote that this ten feet will be of no benefit either to the Municipality, either to the public, but it will only disturb us.

Tamala Krsna: It's already a road. So what more do they want? We're not blocking anything.

Prabhupada: So...

Giriraja: Now the only thing is that they may ask for some type of compensation.

Prabhupada: We shall give something to them, but we shall give.

Giriraja: Because technically, although there's no reason to it, but technically it is in their name right now.

Prabhupada: We shall give whatever Rajda will settle with them.

Giriraja: Yeah.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Giriraja: The normal rate... It's 220 yards. The normal rate is about a hundred rupees a yard. So it'd be 22,000 rupees.

Prabhupada: Oh, that's all right. Give him.

Giriraja: I'm sure that on that basis we can definitely settle now.

Prabhupada: That's all right. Make a settlement.

Giriraja: We'll try for less...

Prabhupada: No.

Giriraja: ...but if we pay the normal rate we can definitely settle it now.

Prabhupada: No, normal rate we shall pay. Finish.

Giriraja: And then the other thing is the garbage bin.

Prabhupada: No.

Giriraja: And I'm sure that we can get that removed also.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Giriraja: That's also simply harassment.

Prabhupada: Simply harassment.

Tamala Krsna: Matrey. Will he be reelected?

Giriraja: No. He's notorious.

Prabhupada: He's Congress man. So nobody will elect Congress man.

Giriraja: No. He's like the Sanjay of the Municipality. Everyone knows he's corrupt and ruthless.

Prabhupada: So let Mr. Thakur come. He's chemist.

Svarupa Damodara: He's applied physicist, and...

Prabhupada: So you also were present in that meeting with Mr. Thakur?

Giriraja: Yeah.

Svarupa Damodara: He also saw the movie that Yadubara had. We also presented a movie, and Mr. Thakur, Professor Thakur, was also watching.

Tamala Krsna: Yadubara's movie.

Svarupa Damodara: That new one.

Tamala Krsna: How did he like it?

Giriraja: He missed it. He missed the whole thing.

Svarupa Damodara: Well, he, er... A little...

Prabhupada: No, you make some movie.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, that was what I was discussing with Yadubara. That movie seems to be little too dilute.

Prabhupada: No, it is not made by scientific men. Layman-made. (laughs)

Svarupa Damodara: We discussed some point before he made movie, but we made very good point, but he didn't include any of those, what we suggested. At the beginning he has started. Then everything was some sort of a popularization of...

Giriraja: I thought it was like the new style of Back to Godhead.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Giriraja: Many attractive photos to appeal to the public taste, but less philosophy.

Prabhupada: We want now philosophy and science.

Svarupa Damodara: We can make a better one.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: Much better...

Prabhupada: So you should stop this, showing this. It may not be a laughing matter.

Tamala Krsna: For the general public, do you think that they'll get anything from it?

Svarupa Damodara: No. It may be of little use for these common people, just for women, children, that, for these. But personally I feel that...

Prabhupada: It will not...

Svarupa Damodara: ...the scientific community, they'll make fun of this.

Prabhupada: Then don't show it.

Tamala Krsna: What about in the universities, the students?

Svarupa Damodara: University students?

Prabhupada: They are... University students, they may be educated. They'll also make a... Don't make it a laughing stock.

Svarupa Damodara: Well, very little is there. Just started, then finished. So I said, "If it can be done, it can be a little elaborated. Give some more authentic examples, a little more discussion and some philosophy...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: But it's too short. And in a short time...

Prabhupada: No, no. It is made by layman, so it is not valuable.

Tamala Krsna: Yadubara is coming to see you at the end of the massage today, so maybe you could give him some further direction.

Prabhupada: What I can do? He'll do.

Tamala Krsna: Just if you tell him that he should start this movie over again.

Prabhupada: He should not produce such thing without consulting the scientific men.

Svarupa Damodara: Actually I suggest that we make another movie.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: The article that we are writing right now is very appropriate, that, the difference between spirit and matter. That is what he's trying to show there, but here we have many scientific evidence, and we can make it... So it will be very nice when we finish this monograph.

Prabhupada: So make it improved, and another film you can make. It doesn't matter.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: What is made is made. You can reject it. Make another, authentic. And I have asked to pay you for your department... What will be the savings?

Tamala Krsna: Well, Rasara said he could save half.

Prabhupada: Half. What is that half?

Tamala Krsna: Somewhere between fifteen... Around fifteen, twenty thousand dollars perhaps, like that.

Prabhupada: Fifteen, twenty thousand dollars per month.

Tamala Krsna: Yes.

Prabhupada: So we can pay you so much. What was your estimate? You made some estimate.

Svarupa Damodara: Yeah. It is about six thousand, six thousand dollars.

Prabhupada: Six thousand dollars, but we are ready to spend fifteen to twenty thousand dollars. Make it nicely, everything. We shall spend. Make worldwide propaganda. And there will be no scarcity of money. Tour. Make extensive tour, especially in Russia. In Russia send this film group, the scientific group, and if the Doctor is seriously our friend, let him translate. And that translation, it shall be good.

Tamala Krsna: He said it's very good.

Prabhupada: And the person who is translating, encourage him. Do this.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, Harikesa, we have to reply his letters, so I have noted down to tell him that.

Prabhupada: Yes. Let him translate as many as possible. And make this program. And that twenty thousand dollars should not be touched. It will be simply spent for this propaganda.

Tamala Krsna: So any money that's saved now...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: ...from the budget should be banked? Should it be saved in an account?

Prabhupada: Yes. Scientific propaganda.

Tamala Krsna: Let it be saved.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Even if they don't use it, it can be saved?

Prabhupada: It should be... It must be saved. Why not?

Tamala Krsna: Is there...

Prabhupada: And you spend.

Giriraja: Yeah.

Tamala Krsna: They're feeling shortage of money now. They might want to...

Prabhupada: So that... That we have to...

Tamala Krsna: See otherwise.

Prabhupada: How it can be... This money must be reserved for scientific propaganda, twenty thousand rupees. They have agreed to save half, and half is twenty thousand. This must be saved.

Tamala Krsna: Somewhere between fifteen and twenty thousand.

Prabhupada: That's all.

Tamala Krsna: I asked him offhand how much he thought he could save. He said, "I think I could reduce the expenses by half."

Prabhupada: Half, this should be set aside for scientific...

Tamala Krsna: We'll have to see if he... I mean, that was a very quick statement that he made on the telephone.

Prabhupada: No...

Tamala Krsna: But I'm just saying that on his behalf. I hope he can make it.

Prabhupada: Now we have now Hindi books. So make nice propaganda. Because they supply from... All temple may be short. So we are also supplying some books for... So here we shall have to compensate by selling Hindi books. Or English books. We have to make some... Let Gargamuni be alert. If money's not coming from there, we shall have to supply money from here.

Tamala Krsna: For the construction.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Today I wanted to show Giriraja. There's a number of letters received where they make it very clear that they're not going to...

Prabhupada: No, he may see or not see; we must be prepared. Then we understand that something is being done now. Simply high talks will not do. Now they are spending lakhs, but actually we are getting some money by devotees' livelihood.

Tamala Krsna: You mean...

Prabhupada: Gargamuni is working, library party. So at least fifty percent of the collection should be spent for this construction.

Tamala Krsna: Gargamuni's library sales.

Prabhupada: Yes. And any other party who are making book sale.

Tamala Krsna: So what he does is he gets billed by Gopala, and he pays his bill, Gargamuni.

Prabhupada: So that means Gopala will pay from the bill.

Tamala Krsna: Fifty percent.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: That's the point. Yeah, that was your original...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: ...fifty percent for construction.

Prabhupada: Yes. And that money should be reserved for their world propaganda, scientific. And this gurukula should be by local subscription, in this way. And settle up this by paying them also compensative, and begin immediately. And you acquire those lands immediately. They are ready to give. Take.

Svarupa Damodara: Yeah, I'll write to those members in Manipur.

Prabhupada: Yes. That "We want to take it and develop it immediately."

Tamala Krsna: There's still many rooms in this two towers which have not yet been sold. So that could also bring in money.

Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Thakur is coming today? No.

Svarupa Damodara: No. We didn't decide a date.

Prabhupada: So you can say, "Any day you are welcome." So he talked sense.

Svarupa Damodara: Sense?

Prabhupada: He said very sensible thing, no.

Svarupa Damodara: Yeah, I think he can be coordinated(?). He said when he was very young...

Prabhupada: No, no, what is, what is his conception about God?

Svarupa Damodara: He had a Krsna...

Giriraja: Well, spiritually, he's on the verge of becoming a devotee. He is...

Prabhupada: He has got attachment for Krsna.

Giriraja: He has attachment. And he realizes that if he develops his attachment for Krsna, that will solve all of his problems.

Prabhupada: If you simply follow the instruction of Krsna, the whole world will be perfect. That's all. But these rascals, they take Krsna as fictitious. Such a rascal, educated man, that for "fictitious Krsna," Vyasadeva has taken so much trouble. Such a great writer and Vedavyasa, and later on, all the acaryas, big, big acaryas, they have wasted time for something fictitious. Such a rascal. I say, "rascal..." (end)