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Morning Walk
January 17, 1976, Mayapur Prabhupada: ...He'll change everything, all sinful activities.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Tamala Krsna: [break] ...can hear any temple bells from the other temples during the arati. I don't hear them having arati. Do they? Maybe they don't have enough men there to ring the bells.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: [break] Yes. [Break] ...went to Krishnanagar yesterday and he's found bricks, so we can begin...
Prabhupada: Immediately.
Jayapataka: He can supply two and half lakhs of bricks within one month.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Jayapataka: We should give the... We have two life members there. I've done this before. Give the price for one lakh of bricks in advance and we get twenty rupees off. That way they'll give you the full supply. So in one month we can get all the bricks.
Prabhupada: So why they want advance?
Jayapataka: Because then they get the twenty rupees off.
Jayapataka: They want advance because they have so many expenses for labors and they just started producing. It's helps them.
Jayapataka: That means over two and a half thousand you save five thousand rupees.
Prabhupada: So we have to advance two and a half thousand?
Jayapataka: No. We have to advance about thirty thousand.
Jayapataka: You get all the supply within one month.
Prabhupada: No, no. Then they have no money. They want to manufacture with our money. Is that?
Jayapataka: Well, then they'll supply at full price.
Prabhupada: But if they cannot supply, why shall I give advance? You take... You give us supply and take money. [break] ...take. Advance you take. Whatever he will be able to supply, say, within a week, you take one-fourth advance. Then take payment immediately as you supply. [break] ...of this?
Bhavananda: The... He works in the gosala, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So what he will do?
Bhavananda: He's going to get it out of here today.
Jayapataka: He... [break]
Prabhupada: And engage it for Krsna's service. If you are getting that for nothing, why not? [break] ...bhavan ke kana gulugar.(?)
Jayapataka: Would you like to see the gosala or the boat today, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Which side is boat? Straight?
Bhavananda: Boat is at Hulor Ghat.
Prabhupada: Boat is worth seeing. (laughter) [break]
Jayapataka: He's the only one who gives out fish prasada. Even the ricksaw drivers don't take his prasada. They say it is unclean. [break]
Prabhupada: Lady?
Jayapataka: In this house here. There's one lady lives here. One of the devotees was walking. He said she hears the kirtana at night. One widow.
Prabhupada: [break] ...bus came here.
Bhavananda: Down this road, turns here.
Prabhupada: Oh. It goes to Krishnagar.
Sudama: Over here, Srila Prabhupada, down below, there is the kitchen for cooking. And we have here small kuchulla(?) for coal cooking.
Jayapataka: All is for storage.
Sudama: Underneath. You have to open.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Jayapataka: They put all rice and everything there.
Prabhupada: Stock.
Madhudvisa: Doesn't it get wet down there, though, Jayapataka?
Jayapataka: There's another floor.
Sudama: And also up front, behind Bhavananda Maharaja, is also another storage which goes all the way up to the front of the ship.
Prabhupada: Very nice.
Prabhupada: It can go in the ocean?
Sudama: Yes.
Prabhupada: It can go?
Sudama: The maji who we purchased the boat from said it can go to Indonesia.
Jayapataka: No, he said... He went to Puri first.
Prabhupada: Where is that maji?
Sudama: He went to Orissa.
Prabhupada: So where is the maji? He went?
Bhavananda: It was another man in Diamond Harbor who said they would go to Indonesia. Maji... They have been to Puri.
Jayapataka: He went to Orissa.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Jayapataka: His father owned the boat. We bought from him. His son was the maji, so we kept him as the maji.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) So let us go. Which way? This way or that way? The same way.
Jayapataka: This will take about two, three more days to finish painting. Then it will be ready. The Deities will be going just here on one platform.
Prabhupada: And up?
Jayapataka: Up? People can also sit up. So it will be very nice to sit up on the top. We're making one special stair for all that. [break] ...cart.
Prabhupada: ...men you are going.
Jayapataka: Twelve, fifteen men.
Prabhupada: So that can be easily accommodated?
Jayapataka: Oh, yes. We could accommodate even twenty men. But that will be easy to accommodate, just twelve.
Prabhupada: No. Don't take many.
Jayapataka: You want to walk back the same way or a different way?
Prabhupada: Different? There is different way?
Jayapataka: There's one path this way. But that's longer.
Prabhupada: Longer. No...
Jayapataka: [break] ...should like to install the Deities for the program?
Prabhupada: Hm? If I am here, I can do. [break]
Prabhupada: Yes. This land belonged to Sridhara Maharaja?
Jayapataka: It belonged to Sridhara Maharaja. I think he sold it off.
Prabhupada: [break] ...not doing anything.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: That will immediately silence them. Big crane rolling in that can be seen. The crane will be bigger than any other temple that's already built here. [break] ...engineer from Larson and Tubro who came to meet you in Bombay? He says that they've built one building now, the tallest building in India. It's a thirty-five-story building. It's over three hundred foot high.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Madhudvisa: Where is that? Bombay?
Madhudvisa: Air India building?
Tamala Krsna: Maybe that's the one. What is the size of the Caitanya Matha? That's the biggest one here? The biggest in Bengal? The Caitanya Matha temple, a hundred and ten foot, is the biggest temple in Bengal. There's not many big temples here... But that church is bigger in Chowringhee. I think that church that the British built...
Prabhupada: Chowringhee?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. St. Paul's Cathedral.
Madhudvisa: Oh, yes, that's big.
Bhavananda: Also in Krishnanagar, big Catholic church.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Five minutes. [break]
Jayapataka: ...festival devotees will pay one rupee.
Prabhupada: Huh? Oh.
Prabhupada: Why? They should come by walking.
Tamala Krsna: Actually, unless someone is carrying something heavy or is invalid, they shouldn't ride.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: They should pass that rule, you know, Jayapataka? If they're told they can't, then they won't do it, if they're told they shouldn't. One reason might be that it becomes a little hot at that time of the year, so the heat of the day, maybe it's too much for them. Actually, there was a suggestion made by a number of GBC men that they wanted to request you that in future years that the festival could be held ending on Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's appearance day rather than beginning, the reason being that in America the months of...
Prabhupada: No, that is system here also. The festival begins before the birthday and ends on the birthday.
Tamala Krsna: Their suggestion wanted to be that the entire festival, including Vrndavana and everything, should precede this because in America beginning about mid-March, especially April, is the best months for preaching in colleges and other places.
Prabhupada: Oh. So you can arrange like that.
Tamala Krsna: And furthermore, here it gets a little hot. This would give us the coolest months, February.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: And February is the worst time for book distribution in the West, whereas March, April is a good time.
Prabhupada: So let them... So they may come in February.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: For Westerners it's not cold.
Tamala Krsna: No, Westerners are accustomed to that. They'll like it. They'll prefer it. They won't mind. They can't take the heat. Vrndavana is very cold in mid-February, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Not. Vrndavana is very cold December-January.
Harikesa: At night. At night.
Tamala Krsna: They are accustomed to it. They can tolerate it. The hot part is more intolerable for Americans. It's really a good idea.
Harikesa: It's colder than sixty degrees.
Tamala Krsna: The college preaching in the month of April is the very best. [break] Do you think something could be written on this wall?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, advertisement.
Prabhupada: [break] ...used for fuel. This crust, this, that can be used for burning. Yes.
Jayapataka: They are the fuel for the...
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] When dismantling will begin?
Prabhupada: This gentleman, he will do that. He can do it immediately.
Prabhupada: ...are standing properly? These walls, they are standing in right angle? This wall?
Jayapataka: I think so, yes.
Prabhupada: No, you have measured?
Bhavananda: Standing up properly on the boundary of the land, you mean?
Prabhupada: No, no.
Madhudvisa: Vertically.
Jayapataka: I saw the masons measuring when they bricked it, but I never measured myself.
Prabhupada: Then, in due course of time, it'll fall down.
Indian devotee (1): You mean the foundation?
Prabhupada: No the wall, if it is like this.
Bhavananda: If it is leaning.
Prabhupada: So you have not tested it?
Jayapataka: I have seen while they were laying the bricks they were testing all the time.
Harikesa: It seems to be leaning.
Jayapataka: In the future I'll pers...
Madhudvisa: Drop a plumb line.
Jayapataka: Yes, they have a...
Madhudvisa: You can drop a plumb line.
Jayapataka: From this corner we can see. [break] ...stores. You suggest prasada from one of the stores.
Prabhupada: Prasada selling.
Jayapataka: How is the best way to do that? Like in Jag... They are doing? A small...?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes, small basis, you can begin. All these rooms are being utilized?
Jayapataka: These are cement godown.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: So bottle plums can be purchased?
Jayapataka: Yes.
Prabhupada: So why not do? [break]...ing in their health?
Sudama: Yes.
Prabhupada: Thank you. (Gurukula kirtana party, chanting, meets Prabhupada)
Prabhupada: You spend it.
Jayapataka: Just like the Tirupati temple. They have got crores and crores of rupees in the bank, so government has borrowed twenty crores of rupees for improving the worship (?) If we spend the money as soon as it's made, then they won't take.
Prabhupada: No.
Prabhupada: That is... That was the purpose of my Trust making: fifty percent immediately spent for printing, fifty percent buildingno money.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is my program. You get money: you spend money.
Prabhupada: Yes. Brahminical qualification. Whatever he gets, he spends. That's all.
Jayapataka: Those in ISKCON who (?) haven't spent money, they got in trouble. Like, in Germany they stored money.
Prabhupada: No, storing is not good. Some money may be, few lakhs, stored for emergency. Otherwise the principle should be to get money and spend money.
Tamala Krsna: Actually in Tirupati, one of the reasons the government took over is that the trustees themselves were squandering the money.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is everywhere.
Tamala Krsna: Wrongfully, you know. That man who is our life member from Madras who was in charge of Indian Express? Giriraja and I made him a member.
Madhudvisa: Goenka?
Tamala Krsna: Goenka. He was taking the money and they caught him. He's one of the trustees, and he was embe..., you know, embezzling the money, using it for individual business projects he had. The government caught him.
Prabhupada: [break] ...from distant place.
Indian man: (Bengali)
Jayapataka: If we could distribute the Hare Krsna records, they would play that over the loudspeaker.
Madhudvisa: There was one question in class this morning about Krsna's pastimes, and in your Bhagavatam you say that this is the smallest universe. So I questioned whether if this is the smallest universe, and Jayapataka said that in other universes there's more volumes of Srimad-Bhagavatam. Would that mean that Krsna manifests more pastimes in the higher universes?
Prabhupada: Yes. He is unlimited. Why do you limit?
Madhudvisa: So is the Srimad-Bhagavatam compiled in the same way in other universes? Vyasadeva compiles it like he does in this universe as well?
Prabhupada: Yes, same process.
Madhudvisa: Just it's more expanded.
Prabhupada: There are many demigods. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Everything is ananta. Just like here you cannot count how many. Here, this much space, if I ask you, "Count how many grasses are there," you cannot do it. Everywhere. You count in this field how many plants are there. You cannot do it. So, similarly other planet, other, other...There are unlimited fields. You cannot count. Why you try to count it, "How many universes? How many devotees?" That is foolishness. It is not possible. Wherever you start, everything is unlimited. Can you count how many atoms are there, atomic? That is your limitation. Therefore I say "frog philosophy." The limited wants to study the unlimited. That is frog philosophy. The frog is thinking, "Eh? Three feet. All right, four feet. All right, five feet." He cannot think unlimited because he is frog. So don't imitate the frog. Take it as it is stated in the sastra. Then it is all right. So what we are getting from this banana garden?
Jayapataka: Banana.
Prabhupada: Getting unlimited? (laughter) What do you do with the bananas?
Jayapataka: Offer them to the Deity.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Jayapataka: See the mango?
Prabhupada: Where is that mango?
Jayapataka: It's about ten feet high.
Prabhupada: Oh, that's all. [break] How many years it will take?
Jayapataka: Take another two, three years.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada? Sometime we read that Caitanya Mahaprabhu, in that... There is a mango tree that grew immediately? And it's described: no pit, no skin and no pit. Does that mean very thin skin or no skin at all? Because if there's no... I mean, it seems like for...
Prabhupada: Even it was skin, it was not the skin as you think.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...with me in Kuruksetra?
Prabhupada: Yes. That Mr. Nanda, he showed his cowshed.
Harikesa: Oh, yes.
Harikesa: It's a big shed but no cows.
Harisauri: Seventeen cows are here.
Jayapataka: This is the... Right now the devotees are staying here. This will be a... It will come up to here. It will be one... There'll be storage and place for the milk and devotees here. Gradually we're building. We put a few thousand every month, whenever we get money. We're building this like the Gaudiya Matha, just a little bit every month.
Prabhupada: These flowers or where...?
Jayapataka: These are giving the milk. They eat the flowers.
Prabhupada: They eat?
Bhavananda: Yes, they like.
Prabhupada: Oh, that's nice.
Jayapataka: You can see them nicely from here, Srila Prabhupada.
Sudama: This side.
Jayapataka: This cow we just bought. What's the name? I don't know this one.
Indian devotee (2): Lalita.
Prabhupada: Lalita Bose? (laughter)
Jayapataka: She is giving nice milk. She was from Hyderabad, the one. She gave... Baby one. This is Nandini. This is Kamadhuk, the original cow. This is the first cow. Kaliya. The bull. We have to get a special room for him. He's too big now.
Prabhupada: You can make a, what is called, circular with fence.
Sudama: Corral?
Prabhupada: Then you can get...
Jayapataka: He breaks it.
Prabhupada: He breaks?
Jayapataka: Because... He used to be baby. Now he's getting angry more. We'll make over there one fenced area, brick.
Prabhupada: So make pakka.
Jayapataka: Yes. Otherwise sometimes he just picks up devotee and throws. Just last night he picked one devotee and threw him. Very dangerous now. He used to be quiet but now he's getting old and ornery.
Sudama: Yes.
Jayapataka: Yes, hurt. Hurt his leg.
Prabhupada: Then how to control?
Jayapataka: We have to build him a special cage. Pippalai and others, they are able to control with stick and by nose. But inexperienced man, they just walk right next to him and then-whsst! You have to be careful when you go by him, so we have to put him separate...
Prabhupada: Separate. That is the way. That Hanuman Prasad in...?
Prabhupada: So, yes, so just suggest that way. Give him a plan.
Jayapataka: I don't think so. He is half Australian and half Indian.
Jayapataka: All of our cows are half and half, but the Western cows give the more milk.
Prabhupada: So they have no ground to graze?
Jayapataka: They go out every day and graze.
Jayapataka: These are the bullocks on the left and the babies on the right.
Prabhupada: They can be used for plowing?
Jayapataka: Yes, when they get big. Some are cows and some are men, bulls. These are the new ones. In the government, they kill all the male calves and only keep the female. But we will use for the fields.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jayapataka: This is for their little playpen.
Jayapataka: They eat...
Jayapataka: Yes, this roof we're just putting up.
Madhudvisa: They don't give milk?
Jayapataka: These three cows, we've been doing..., sent to the hospital two, three times. They've given all type of medicine, everything, but they just won't get pregnant. This one, two, three.
Jayapataka: I was going to go to Hyderabad, but instead we started our building, so I sent Purna-prajna from Calcutta, my man. I sent two farmers. They called up and said, "They're giving bad cows. Don't take the cows." And then Haribhai Paduka got on the phone and said, "Oh, they are insulting me. They're saying I'm giving bad cows, this, that. I am going to..." He gave some complaint. So someone said, "All right. Whatever you give, it's all right." Then he gave these.
Prabhupada: So why did you accept it?
Jayapataka: I was in Mayapur. I told them, "Don't accept bad." They called up, said, "These are no good. We won't accept." Then from Calcutta someone said, "You accept."
Prabhupada: Whenever somebody wants to give, you don't accept immediately. Tell them first of all, "Let us see."
Jayapataka: [break] ...room for cutting the grass and for weld. Pump room and grass-cutting room.
Prabhupada: Which way we shall go now?
Sudama: This way, Prabhupada.
Jayapataka: Previously the cows... Now, since before, the cows have become more healthy.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Jayapataka: Since before, cows have become more healthy, and now people are appreciating very much.
Prabhupada: What is the cause?
Jayapataka: The cost?
Jayapataka: Oh, because of Pippalai's very careful service.
Prabhupada: That's it.
Prabhupada: You have got experience?
Pippalai: No, I don't have experience.
Harisauri: He was running the presses in New York.
Prabhupada: So you like this?
Pippalai: Yes, very much so.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Jayapataka: And also John prabhu... Both of them, they are staying here even though there's no electricity.
Prabhupada: Electricity is not very important thing.
Prabhupada: So?
Jayapataka: They wanted to show their land.
Prabhupada: Where it is? So? What that land will be utilized for?
Jayapataka: That's only good for cultivation.
Prabhupada: You have got sufficient arrangement for cultivation?
Jayapataka: We need... We don't have enough cultivation land for the amount of devotees we have.
Prabhupada: So how many bighas (5/8 of one acre) there are?
Jayapataka: But that land...
Jayapataka: Even from here you can just see without going all that way there. The thing... This is the lake.
Prabhupada: Lake?
Jayapataka: This is a lake. This, in the rainy season it becomes submerged. That's what I was saying last night. He said that if you dig a lake in the middle, then you can make it high.
Prabhupada: That is not good.
Jayapataka: But now we've got some crops growing.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Now you should have sufficient experience. People may not cheat you-low land, high price.
Jayapataka: I understand. I know those things. That's why... But he was just forcing his way in your room and then saying all those things. That's why when he came I said, "How many crops you took from your land?" I know all the history of these lands.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) You cannot utilize it for different crops. Only one you can.
Jayapataka: You can only use for, in the rainy season, for some type of rice and then now wheat-two crops.
Indian man (3): (Bengali)
Jayapataka: Winter rice, he is saying, bula(?) rice.
Prabhupada: Oh. (Bengali) Now, taking instruction from Madhava Maharaja, you should be careful about purchasing land. People are very cunning.
Tamala Krsna: [break] ...that ten bighas and eight bighas of land on the corner, you were mentioning?
Jayapataka: Yes. We will go back this way. Will Prabhupada be able to walk that far?
Jayapataka: It's right over there. Of course, we can go back through the field.
Prabhupada: [break] ...can see tomorrow. Eh?
Jayapataka: All right. We'll check it, make a path. See, that's the path.
Prabhupada: [break] The road is rough.
Sudama: Yes.
Prabhupada: So we shall go that way. If it is like this, we can go. Now, still, it is rough. (Bengali) [break] ...filling up the road? No. You have taken earth from here. (Bengali)
Jayapataka: They're just leveling.
Prabhupada: [break] ...whether they are being properly utilized.
Jayapataka: Every land is being planted on. We made...
Prabhupada: On the other side you have got some land?
Jayapataka: Yes. We plan to put irrigation there. I have two diesel five-horsepower, seven-horsepower engine. One I put over there and they are irrigating. We have fourteen bighas of wheat, very good wheat. And here in the back we've also purchased here another set and we're irrigating that, this unirrigated land, and it only gets some chick pea and things, very bad crop, minimum crop. So now we've got the irrigation, we're getting many more crops. [break]
Prabhupada: That I want, that it must be properly utilized. Otherwise you purchase and there is no utility.
Jayapataka: But Tapomaya, he says that we need more land to be able to feed all the devotees. And every time we're building more buildings, we're just losing land but we're not gaining so much agricultural land.
Prabhupada: No, no. We can purchase. First of all think that whether we can utilize.
Jayapataka: Land is all being utilized. We need more land for grazing the cows also.
Bhavananda: Definitely the land can be utilized.
Prabhupada: That's all. Then purchase.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, I had one question about this play by Girish Ghosh. The Girish Ghosh was a debauchee, and wouldn't it be better to take, make dramas from your Srimad-Bhagavatam? Then the sound vibration is coming from pure source. Or does that not matter? If the man was...
Prabhupada: No, no. First of all you see how it can be utilized, whatever translation is there. Then we shall purify it. Anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Just like this microphone. It is prepared by the meat-eaters. How we are utilizing it? Everything has got a proper process to purify it. [Break]...nice, eh?
Jayapataka: We don't have any land in this area.
Jayapataka: So many people.
Prabhupada: So many. So it is good land? No?
Jayapataka: This is medium land. Across the road is considered good land. Our area here is considered good because of irrigation. This is medium. And the man wants to sell. But it doesn't go as far as our land. It only goes to this point. He's asking three thousand.
Prabhupada: They are all expecting good price from us.
Jayapataka: Only in the back, still they are asking more reasonable: seventeen, sixteen, eighteen, four thousand.
Prabhupada: Seventeen, sixteen?
Jayapataka: They're asking in the back.
Prabhupada: Seventeen hundred? That's all right.
Jayapataka: We're buying those. So why they put the water here? To sabotage. There was no water when we came. Now they put more water here. Gosvami Maharaja is taking water.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Jayapataka: They flooded.
Sudama: You cross here, Prabhupada. (end)
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