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Room Conversation

August 21, 1975, Bombay
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Exactly what Krsna has said. Our mission... (Bengali) Yare dekha, tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Bas. If you speak what Krsna has instructed, you become guru. But if you make your own concoction, own invention, then... (Bengali) I don't speak any nonsense except the instruction given in the Bhagavad-gita. That is my credit. That's all. People say that I have done wonderful, but I do not know any magic. The wonderful thing I have done is that I don't speak any nonsense thing. (Bengali)
Lalita: What you say, you act according to that.
Prabhupada: No, what I learn from Krsna I say. I don't say independently. That is not my business. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's instruction. [break] How? Amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. You deliver your village people and become a guru. Everyone is not going to be so big that he can go all over the world. But everyone can teach within his limit, within his family, within his community, within his village, within his town, within his district. As he is capable, he can increase. But everyone can become a guru and deliver the local people. How? Yare dekha, tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Then you are guru. As soon as you manufacture anything nonsense, then it is spoiled. That is going on. So many gurus are there; they are manufacturing. They are becoming Krsna. That is nonsense. That is nonsense. You cannot become Krsna. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. Bhagavan sakala hrdaya... [break] Can you stay in everyone's heart? You are claiming God. This one instance. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrdese 'rjuna tisthati. He is andantara-stham-paramanu-cayantara-stham. He is within this universe, and He is within the atom. You are claiming to be Isvara, God. Are you within the atom? Are you within everyone's heart? Then how do you claim that you are Isvara? Practical. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam [Bg. 18.61]. Isvara, God, God is everyone's heart. Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivisthah [Bg. 15.15]. (Bengali) ...on the basis of Bhagavad-gita... (Bengali) And as soon as you manufacture something, then it is spoiled. (Bengali) That is going on. The so-called gurus, they get some mystic power, yoga-siddhi, and they show it and they mislead people that he is God. That is the difficulty. We never said... Where is that book? (Bengali) ...gurus. Again he has to go? (Bengali) So far as I am concerned, these things are not there. About me, I am... In Dallas I am taking one child's hand and I am teaching them how to write "a," "a." (Bengali) Where is that professors?
Brahmananda: Professor...
Prabhupada: No, all these professors. Those who are purchasing our books.
Brahmananda: Oh, the recommendations?
Prabhupada: Yes. (Bengali) University professors, learned scholars. (Bengali) We have equipped our composing... We compose and send to the press. You know something about our Los Angeles arrangement?
Harikesa: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: What is the worth of all the machines?
Harikesa: Oh, the composer itself is worth about seventy-five thousand dollars.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Seventy-five thousand dollars.
Harikesa: That's just one machine.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...New Vrindaban... article... last year...(Bengali)
Lalita: (Bengali) ...Gurudeva's remarks about their remarks. And of his...
Gopala Krsna: August 24th and 34th issue of (indistinct).
Prabhupada: (Bengali) "Srila Prabhupada instructs a young American student in Sanskrit at the Gurukula." (Bengali) This is my miracle.
Lalita: You are changing actually, transforming.
(Bengali) ....Rajneesh... (Bengali) She has to go to the temple, take the prasada, serve to... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...Kartik Bose... (Bengali) ...Kartik Bose's laboratory... (Bengali) ...Gaudiya Matha... (Bengali)
Lalita: (Bengali) ...Mayapur... (Bengali) ...Vrndavana... (Bengali) ...Hare Krsna mandir... (Bengali) ...Guru Maharaja... (Bengali) They are so impressed, the way they are putting the sankha and then, you know, arati... (Bengali) The same time the door opens and the same time the sankha. (Bengali) Sincere, sincere devotee.
Prabhupada: Sincere devotee. (Bengali) At least... (Bengali) ...hundred men come... (Bengali) They have nothing to do with the
politics. (Bengali) Panditah sama-darsinah [Bg. 5.18]. (Bengali) Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati [Bg. 18.54], samah sarvesu bhutesu. (Bengali) ...India government... (Bengali)
Lalita: The project will be failure. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...village... (Bengali) ...the cooperation... (Bengali) I like this position, dictatorship. Personally I like this. (Bengali) ...America... (Bengali) "What is your opinion about this?" Must criti... Yes, criticized policy of Indira Gandhi. (Bengali) ...is spiritually inclined. If she improves, it will be perfect. She wants to be improved.
Lalita: This should be taken with...
Bhavananda: A most important piece of paper.
Prabhupada: "Barefoot Swami draws admiring Krsna crowd." And... Read that portion. (Bengali)
Lalita: (Bengali) ...most prominent person in U.S. is Prabhupada.
Brahmananda: "Asked about the political situation in his native India and the criticized actions of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, the swami replied that 'Mrs. Gandhi is inclined to some spiritual understanding, and if she fully develops it the situation will improve. Democracy is not much beneficial if its leaders have no spiritual values. Mahatma Gandhi was practically a dictator, but he was a man of high moral character, so people accepted him. Dictatorship can be good provided the dictator is spiritually developed.' "
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Lalita: You take this benefit. (Bengali) ...spiritually conscious, everything will be... (Bengali) But if it is the nasty things, the nasty and...
Prabhupada: Politically it will be failure, but spiritually it will be successful.
Lalita: (Bengali) She is eager to meet him, so he should talk high level... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: ...because I am missionary, (Bengali) permanent resident American... (Bengali) ...our visa, passport... (Bengali) ...certain percentage... (Bengali) ...so "You will have to wait for six years." (Bengali)
Lalita: Maharaja, we have to note down the point, "missionary movement," and what will be the subject. You have to submit one letter... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...Indira's janma?
Lalita: She is now fifty-seven.
Prabhupada: Fifty-seven.
Devotee (2): 1920.
Prabhupada: Eighteen?
Devotee (1): I think, 1920.
Prabhupada: 1890. (Bengali)
Lalita: ...foreign exchange, for the development of India...(Bengali) ...that how it is... "Can you prove?" And yes. You can send immediately? Everything is in open.
Gopala Krsna: I have all the receipts with me from the bank transfers.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) This is meant for the executive head of the state. It is meant for. In the Bhagavad-gita, Fourth Chapter, it is stated,
Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. Rajarsayo. It is meant for the rajarsis. So Indira is in the position of raja. If she becomes a rsi, then it will be successful. Then it will be successful. (Bengali) ...that "You have got the position of royalty. You become a saintly lady. Then your scheme will be all successful." That is required. That I can help, how to make her a rsi.
Lalita: No, she is full of humility... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Then not only the people of India will be benefited but also the whole world will be benefited. And you have got that sampatti, Bhagavad-gita guidance. I will not manufacture anything. That is not my business, concoction thing, hodgepodge, without any knowledge, without any experience. We are not that type of... (Bengali)
Lalita: We have to set everything. When I phone we should be ready.
Prabhupada: You make a file. Whatever she says, make a file and keep that.
Lalita: We have to, yes. (Bengali) ...government scheme. (Bengali) We have to note down what he is saying. That's why I told... That will be written in short letter, short, Guru Maharaja to (indistinct) us. It is to be...
Prabhupada: Anyone can? You can read Hindi?
Prabhupada: Read it.
Gopala Krsna: (reads Hindi)
Prabhupada: You can go on, go on reading.
Gopala Krsna: (reads Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Go on. Go on reading.
Gopala Krsna: (reads Hindi)
Prabhupada: Ruci, kachori, rabri, sandesa, rasagulla, panir... (Bengali) ...daily, 1,000 pound, Vrndavana. (Bengali) False propaganda.
Gopala Krsna: Now, this August 24th and 31st, Dharmayan(?) is bringing up two big articles on us on Janmastami, to do a series. August 24th issue and August 31st two very nice articles on us are appearing.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...goraksya. Krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma-svabhava-jam [Bg 18.44]. Bhagavad-gita. (Bengali)
Lalita: (Bengali) "You go away." My mother told that "You leave me. Krsna will look after me." Seventy-six. (Bengali) My mother is very spiritual. "Guru Maharaja, (Bengali). You must go and tell Indira." (Bengali) But you have to... I have written to Brahmananda Reddy... (Bengali) ...because I am going to prime minister. I will have to show... (Bengali) ...relationship. You go personally. And I will also carry your letter. So he was also...
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Lalita: (Bengali) ...American guru. Yesterday somebody came to me when I am just... (Bengali) ...Central Intelligence... (Bengali) ...whose house that Mr. Badiraja(?) house, and Guru Maharaj-ji is Indian or American. Twice they phoned from the prime minister's office. We are telling them in Bengali. From there, Calcutta, West Bengal. And I know, my grandfather knows him, and I told this. (Bengali) ...this American guru. And again and again they are phoning. I said, "No, no." (Bengali) What she will feel? She has got that power.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...she is spiritually inclined, therefore... (Bengali) "I know Mrs. Gandhi is spiritually inclined." (Bengali) By 1928 Jawaharlal Nehru, Congress President... (Bengali) "Dear Panditji, I want to go to Congress as a delegate. Please give me delegate ticket." (Bengali) "You don't require any ticket. You come here. You'll get it." Delegate's seats are... (Bengali)
Lalita: You born... When Guru Maharaj born... (Bengali)
Gopala Krsna: 1896.
Lalita: Somebody has reported that he is American and this and that.
Prabhupada: No. (Bengali) ...Calcutta janma... (Bengali)
Lalita: I told you that Mr. Mani is Sai Baba's bhakta. So he is harassing, sending a letter and all. It's not especial any, that "Send to the member of ISKCON. They must leave." No. There is no report like that, but they are sending to say that he should learn and come to the Mr. Mani's bhakta of Sai Baba. (Bengali) There is nothing special. So if you are feeling better, then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow... (Bengali) ...can I mention that you must fit to see?
Prabhupada: Yes. (Bengali) You know that? (Bengali) Between twelve to end of the day. (Bengali) Indira Gandhi... (Bengali) ...position plus spiritual knowledge, it will play wonderful in the world. (Bengali) Third-class, fourth-class rogue, they cannot understand Krsna consciousness. Rajarsayo. He must be royalty, at the same time great sage, saintly person. Then he will understand. (Bengali)
Lalita: You must have that quality to understand Krsna consciousness.
Prabhupada: Yes. (Bengali) Imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. Find out this verse.
Iksvaku rajarsi, Ramacandra-vamsa... (Bengali) ...originator of the dynasty of the Surya-vamsa. Ksatriya... (Bengali) ...Surya-vamsa and Candra-vamsa.
"The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku." Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2].
Prabhupada: Imam rajarsayo viduh.
Prabhupada: Again, rajarsayo viduh, sa kaleneha yogo nastah. Rajarsaya (Bengali) India culture... (Bengali) Now I can help you. This is my... (Bengali) Sa kaleneha?
Prabhupada: Yogo nastah paran. Rajarsaya... (Bengali) ...third-class, fourth-class rogue... (Bengali) It was the primary qualification that one must be a graduate; then he can understand what is law. Similarly, if one is actually brahmana by qualification, then he can understand what is Vedas. Similarly, Krsna was interested to speak to the rajarsis. Imam vivasvate yogam proktavan. He told to the... First of all He spoke to Vivasvan, the king of the sun planet. That picture is there?
Prabhupada: Yes. Find out. First of all He spoke that... If you take history of Bhagavad-gita, then it comes to forty millions of years ago, at least, He spoke Bhagavad-gita. How do you calculate? The calculation is there. Any intelligent man can calculate because Brahma's duration of life is mentioned there. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh [Bg. 8.17]. So one yuga means forty-three lakhs of years and multiply it one thousand. That is Brahma's duration of one day. Now, in one day there are seven Manus. So Vivasvan Manu's age can be calculated—at least forty millions of years ago. So the Bhagavad-gita is not a new thing. It was spoken five thousand years ago to Arjuna. That was not the first speaking. He says, "I first spoke to Vivasvan, the sun-god." Yes, show him. (Bengali) ...I am manufacturing something. Everything is there. "If you simply follow, a great, wonderful thing will be done." She is now in a position. Simply she has to take the instruction of Bhagavad-gita and apply it practically. And that is not very difficult. Just like the Bhagavad-gita says, annad bhavanti... Parjanyad bhavanti bhutani. Make this program, immediately.
Lalita: The reaction will start.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Lalita: And it is a proof. I will tell what Guru Maharaja has done.
Prabhupada: Yes, I am simply... This is our process. We don't manufacture nonsense things. They are afraid of me because they see that in spite of their so many hypnotism and magic, and what is called, miracles, they are..., where they are and where I am. That is their fear.
Lalita: Fear.
Prabhupada: Yes. They understood that "This man does not show any magic, and he is playing wonderful thing." That, every gentleman, every man, can understand. When I was at Kumbha-mela all these Mayavadi sannyasis, they were receiving me like anything because they understand that they could not do anything. How they can do? Krsna sakti vina nahe nama pracara. One must receive strength from the superior; then it is possible. It is not a bogus thing, that anyone can do it. Krsna sakti... It is stated in the Caitanya-caritamrta. Have you got Caitanya-caritamrta?
Prabhupada: Nama pracara.
Gopala Krsna: "Lord Krsna's energies..."
Prabhupada: And krsna bhajanate nahi jati-kuladi vicara. These are all Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... What is that? In the Caitanya-caritamrta. (Bengali) Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Just surrender to Krsna and follow Him. Then you are successful.
Lalita: And I will tell her.
Prabhupada: Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati [Bg. 9.31]. He says, "Kaunteya, take it for granted that My devotee will never be vanquished." Then you have to disbelieve all these words or you have to believe these words. There are two things. If you believe, then you are successful. If you don't believe... (Bengali)
Lalita: ...to cooperate with you to establish a good life.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is actually my intention. Otherwise I have cancelled a very big, big... (Bengali)
Lalita: (Bengali) ...immediately. She is eager to meet you.
Prabhupada: No, I am not dependent on him. I can cancel, accept anything. (laughter)
Lalita: (Bengali) ...only one, small, as a spiritual guide. And... (Bengali)...the photographer, with permission... (Bengali)
Jayapataka: The photographer can stay outside in the waiting room, and if they give permission, then we can enter.
Prabhupada: They can go, but when I meet, I'll take two, two secretaries.
Lalita: I have to tell two secretaries. "He is accompanied, two secretaries."
Prabhupada: Two secretaries, that's all.
Lalita: And allow them with camera.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Lalita: Allow the camera.
Brahmananda: The camera can be afterwards.
Lalita: Oh, after.
Brahmananda: Because Prabhupada will be preaching, and he doesn't like photos taken while he is preaching. Also it may be possible to record the...
Prabhupada: No, you can take. What is there? You can take photograph. You? Or you?
Prabhupada: So these two persons will be...
Jayapataka: Bhargava is also there if they allow him after it's over to come...
Prabhupada: After that, yes.
Brahmananda: What about tape record? We could tape record the session also.
Lalita: They don't want that.
Prabhupada: No, that's all right.
Lalita: They say no.
Prabhupada: No, she has got political situation, so that's all right. We should not record. We shall talk and photo can be taken. That's all. (Bengali) Where is my, that letter? I wrote one.
Brahmananda: To Indira Gandhi?
Prabhupada: Yes. I wrote one letter. When this trouble was there, so it came to my mind that, "Why there is trouble? All the leaders can follow Bhagavad-gita and then things will be all right." So I sent that letter. Indira Gandhi letter. Here. What did I write?
Brahmananda: "Your Excellency Srimati Indira Gandhi." This is dated July 1st, 1975, from Evanston, Illinois.
Prabhupada: Wherefrom I wrote it?
Brahmananda: From Chicago.
Prabhupada: Chicago.
Brahmananda: "May it please Your Excellency, enclosed please find one copy of my letter addressed to Sri Jaya Prakash Narayanji. I wish that both of you may sit together and agree to join together to work on the basis of the instructions given in the Bhagavad-gita. It is practical and good for India as well as for the whole world situation. The whole world is expecting to receive something from Indian culture. Why not push this movement and solve the complete problems of India? I hope you will take this suggestion seriously and do the needful without delay. Thanking you in anticipation. I beg to remain..."
Prabhupada: So letter is already there. (Bengali)
Lalita: ...after Mojiva's(?) incident. She is very... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: So now what shall I write?
Lalita: (Bengali) He was busy for the world organiza..., but he has left everything.
Prabhupada: So shall I refer to your name? (Bengali) So take the... So "Your Excellency, Srimati Indira Devi..." Indira Gandhi or Indira Devi?
Lalita: "Indira Devi" (Bengali)
Prabhupada: "Indira Devi Gandhi, when I was in Canada, in..." Montreal?
Brahmananda: Toronto.
Prabhupada: "When I was in Toronto, Canada, Srimati Lalita Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation..."
Brahmananda: Sent me?
Prabhupada: "One intimation that you wanted to see me."
Lalita: No, I approached her. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: "She approached you for meeting with me..., with you for a meeting"?
Gopala Krsna: "For me."
Prabhupada: "For me with you. And I have come here, postponing all my engagements. I am preaching this Krsna consciousness movement all over the world on the basis of Krsna's instruction in the Bhagavad-gita. Actually this Krsna consciousness movement is called sankirtana movement. Sometimes they call Hare Krsna movement, which was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya in Bengal and throughout all India. His mission is that in India everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world the instruction of Krsna. So we are doing this very faithfully, and it is becoming effective. I think in India also if some vigorous activity is done for awakening Krsna consciousness of the Indian people under your leadership, it will be very, very effective."
Lalita: "And for the development of this country I can bring foreign exchange for..."
Prabhupada: No, why this?
Lalita: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: "So we have already about six branches in India..."
Jayapataka: Eight.
Prabhupada: "Eight. And all the development is being done by foreign exchange. So it can be continued if I get encouragement by the government. So I shall be very much pleased to see you in this connection."
Lalita: "I need your advices for this development." (Bengali) "With the help of government in villages."
Gopala Krsna: I... Just that one point. In my speaking to Ganesha's(?) also, even when we tell them we are bringing huge amounts of foreign exchange from abroad, they at once say, "But how do you get this money abroad?"
Prabhupada: We sell our books.
Gopala Krsna: Yes. So I was thinking maybe we could add a line or two on your books, that the foreign exchange is obtained.
Prabhupada: Yes. "I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, Caitanya-caritamrta, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, and these books are very popular in the foreign countries, Europe and America."
Lalita: Is a biggest seller, I think... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: There is no record in the whole world. That religious books are selling twenty lakhs now, it is no record.
Gopala Krsna: Back to Godhead alone has done that.
Prabhupada: So...
Lalita: You make...
Prabhupada: That's all right. "And by the sales proceeds I am bringing foreign exchange here." So I came here that she wants to see me, then why you are getting from me write...
Lalita: (Bengali) Next time after the meeting... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Read it. Read it, what I have said.
Brahmananda: "Your Excellency Srimati Indira Devi Gandhi. When I was in Toronto, Canada, Srimati Lalita Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation that she approached you for a meeting for you and myself. And I have come here, postponing all my engagements. I am preaching this Krsna consciousness movement all over the world on the basis of Krsna's instructions in the Bhagavad-gita. Actually this Krsna consciousness movement is called the sankirtana movement and sometimes called the Hare Krsna movement, which was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya in Bengal and throughout all India. His mission is that in India everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world."
Prabhupada: Everyone in India.
Brahmananda: "In India everyone should become a guru."
Prabhupada: No, no. "Everyone should become a guru."
Brahmananda: "His mission is that everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world the instruction of Krsna. So we are doing this very faithfully and it is becoming effective. I think in India also if some vigorous activity is done for awakening the Krsna consciousness of the people under your leadership, it will be very effective. So we have already eight branches in India, and all development is being done by foreign exchange. It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government. So I shall be very much pleased to see you in this connection. I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages, such as Srimad-Bhagavatam..."
Prabhupada: "Four hundred pages each."
Brahmananda: "I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages each, such as Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, Caitanya-caritamrta, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, and these books are very popular in foreign countries, Europe and America. By sales proceeds I am bringing foreign exchange."
Prabhupada: That's all.
Lalita: (Bengali) ...development India. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: So you can give this letter to Lalita.
Lalita: I think I will go to Prema's office and give it to Sesha and make an appointment.
Gopala Krsna: You want to give the letter?
Prabhupada: Eh? What is that?
Lalita: This is all that he should do. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Read again, if there is to be corrected. Just hear, everyone.
Lalita: (Bengali)
Brahmananda: "Your Excellency Srimati Indira Devi Gandhi. When I was in Toronto, Canada, Srimati Lalita Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation that she approached you for a meeting with myself."
Prabhupada: "With me. "
Lalita: "With me."
Prabhupada: "A meeting with me and you."
Gopala Krsna: Should we say "Miss Lalita Bose" or just "Miss Lalita"?
Lalita: No, Lalita will... That's all. She knows me.
Brahmananda: "When I was in Toronto, Canada, Srimati Lalita Devi, who is just like my daughter, sent me one intimation that she approached you for a meeting with me and you, and I have come here, postponing all my engagements. I am preaching this Krsna consciousness movement all over the world on the basis of Krsna's instructions in Bhagavad-gita. Actually this Krsna consciousness movement is called the sankirtana movement and sometimes called the Hare Krsna movement, which was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya in Bengal and throughout all India. His mission is that everyone should become a guru and preach all over the world the instruction of Krsna. So we are doing this very faithfully, and it is becoming effective. I think in India also, if some vigorous activity is done for awakening the Krsna consciousness of the people under your leadership, it will be very effective. So we have already eight branches in India, and all development is being done by foreign exchange. It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government. So I shall be very much pleased to see you in this connection. I have written about fifty books of four hundred pages each, such as Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, Caitanya-caritamrta, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, and these books are very popular in foreign countries such as Europe and America. By the sales proceeds I am bringing foreign exchange." "Yours sincerely?"
Prabhupada: "Yours sincerely" all right, or "Your well-wisher"?
Lalita: "Well-wisher."
Prabhupada: "Your well-wisher." (Bengali) Word is already there. Sadhu sastra guru vakya, tinete kariya aikya. (Bengali) So immediately type it and give it to her.
Jayapataka: Where it says that "I am bringing foreign exchange," in the end, "by selling my books I am bringing foreign exchange," it's for India's development?
Prabhupada: For developing my scheme here.
Jayapataka: And Gopala Krsna mentioned the point that... We're bringing foreign exchange. Whether there should be any word that also signifies that we have local support also?
Prabhupada: Local support, that is understood. (Bengali) So our "books popular in foreign countries as well as in India." We are getting money also by these books.
Brahmananda: We have quotations from professors in America and also India.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Lalita: And which we will take, this one and the professor Kajal.(?) (Bengali) You will give one Gita, your writing to... You will present Gita. And you lead your life according to this teachings. But she is great (Bengali) She is full of bhakti. But she needs good guidance. Anandamaya Ma is doing, but she can't come to her. So guidance, practical guidance also.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) So I shall personally teach Bhagavad-gita. Her and her most confidential associates or who is governing. That I can do. (Bengali) Imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. I wanted a rajarsi to take up this movement seriously, but I could not get till now. If she becomes, it will be benefit for me, for the world, for her, everyone. Because I have no power, I have no money, but if one rajarsi who has got strength, money, intelligence, if she takes, then it will be very quickly successful. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, His movement became very successful when Maharaja Prataparudra of Orissa took it. Gautama Buddha's movement was successful when Asoka, Maharaja Asoka took it. It requires. And Krsna says, rajarsayo viduh.
Lalita: (Bengali) She is very cunning.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) She is spiritually inclined. She goes to so many spiritual men, but they cannot give her guidance. That means she has some inclination. That I can understand. Just like these for..., American boys, they are after spiritual enlightenment and all the swamis and yogis who went there simply exploited them because they have no knowledge, neither they are prepared to take knowledge from the authority, Krsna. That is their defect. That is their defect.
Lalita: They have become Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. So therefore they could not give any...
Lalita: Everybody is Bhagavan.
Prabhupada: Ah, yes.
Lalita: If you go anywhere, he is Bhagavan.
Prabhupada: He is Bhagavan.
Lalita: Now full Kali. (Bengali) Kali-yuga (Bengali) Everybody is busy with their duties.
Prabhupada: Ah, they are engaged.
Lalita: No time to talk.
Prabhupada: I don't allow them to sit down.
Lalita: At other asramas you go and see. I go every asramas. So I reported that now you catch all the sadhus. I'm giving a secret letter that, "All the black marketeers with them, sitting, chatting and patting, and you catch them. Then all the smugglers you will get. Sai Baba... (Bengali) He will throw you out. And he is exploiting that girl, and I have got a picture, very bad picture, with me. (Bengali) "Bhagavan Satya Sai Baba." So she hates him. And (Bengali) I have seen Satya Sai Baba. I know he is, what type of man he is. (Bengali) Government letter, certified.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Krsna consciousness to the foreign countries.
Lalita: (Bengali) ...what personality you are.
Prabhupada: Thousands of Americans will do that. Thousands.
Lalita: (Bengali) Mayapur, Vrndavana. (Bengali) You just sit and write.
Prabhupada: If you take my guidance I'll stay. Our guidance means on the basis of Bhagavad-gita. I don't manufacture. That is my...
Lalita: (Bengali) ...prime minister already... (Bengali) This is my experience about Prabhupada's ISKCON. I am a layman... (Bengali) How you are writing on... (Bengali) ...what you are. I am the life member. (Bengali) The member of the advisory counsel..."Who are you?" "I am a member of that council." "I see. I see." (Bengali) West Bengal Security Force ...is a very good report about Hare Krsna. (Bengali) Very good report. "Please ask prime minister, allow them to stay."
Prabhupada: Governor...
Lalita: U.P.
Prabhupada: U.P. (Bengali) They must understand the philosophy. So is that all right? So make it.
Lalita: (Bengali)
Gopala Krsna: We can go down.
Prabhupada: Give her prasada.
Jayapataka: In case they want to see what type of..., how we like to develop in the village scheme, should I keep the Mayapur program ready?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Lalita: And immediately the world can...
Prabhupada: These pictures and everything.
Jayapataka: I wrote out the whole thing. As soon I can give it to you...
Prabhupada: That's all right. You make... Keep that... That I'll present personally, not now. Later.
Lalita: When he is meeting, he will unveil. "Already we have started the schemes and we can expand with the help of government." [break] (Bengali)
Lalita: (To Brahmananda:) Listen, please. One point.
Prabhupada: Where is that letter?
Brahmananda: To Indira Gandhi?
Prabhupada: So mention that I require...
Lalita: Hundred...
Prabhupada: How many...
Brahmananda: When you talk about "I... So we have already eight branches in India. All development is being done by foreign exchange. It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government."
Prabhupada: "And foreign assistance, about one hundred men." That's all.
Lalita: (Bengali)
Brahmananda: "Foreign assistance, numbering about one hundred."
Lalita: Missionary... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Then what is there?
Brahmananda: "So we have already eight branches in India, and all development is being done by foreign exchange and foreign assistance numbering about one hundred."
Prabhupada: "Mostly. Mostly by foreign exchange and foreign assistance. Mostly." It is not that there is no Indian. Mostly.
Lalita: "I want." "I want from you." (Bengali)
Prabhupada: So, "If you..."
Brahmananda: "It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government."
Prabhupada: "By giving these foreigners missionary..." What is called? "Missionary visa"? Is that all right?
Lalita: "Missionary visa..." (Bengali) Citizenship... (Bengali)
Prabhupada: What you have said?
Brahmananda: "It can be continued if I get encouragement by the government."
Prabhupada: "By allowing these foreign assistant as missionary men." That's all.
Brahmananda: "As missionaries."
Prabhupada: "As missionary men." Or "missionaries."
Lalita: "Missionaries..." (Bengali). So they will see in what way they can best.
Prabhupada: That's all. Jaya. (end)

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