Morning Walk

February 22, 1974, Bombay
Guest (1): ...in every house.
Prabhupada: Self-help, self-help.
Guest (1): They're distributing in every house, how to benefit in the house.
Dr. Patel: But if it is right for them, why not have films in every house and grow your food also? That is not possible every time on the way. You have got to have a... This is a highly developed society. So you have got to...
Prabhupada: And because now it is developed, it is so developed that there is no food. It is so developed that there is no food. One devotee of goddess Durga, he was a worshiper of goddess Durga. So Mother Durga was asking, "My dear son, you are happy?" "Oh Mother! In all respects. Except in two things: there is no food, there is no cloth. That's all. Otherwise I am very happy."
Guest (1): So the main thing is not that.
Prabhupada: (laughs) So your, your advancement means advancement in everything, but there is no food, there is no cloth. That's all. This is the advancement.
Dr. Patel: When there was no rain here last year... No? Year before last. (Hindi) The men in the medical college were talking, "Why the hell do you want rain?" I said "What nonsense, you are talking?" "We don't want. Our fields are in America. The rain is falling there all right." You know, jokingly. (laughs) There is no other... "Why do you want rain here?" Because people...
Prabhupada: No, no. Rain, rain...
Dr. Patel: Yajnad bhavati parjanyah [Bg. 3.14].
Prabhupada: Yes. But they won't, won't perform yajna.
Dr. Patel: No. And yajna means there is service to the humanity...
Prabhupada: No, no, no. That is not...
Dr. Patel: "That is giving service to Krsna," you'll say. "But humanity is Krsna," I say.
Prabhupada: No, no, no.
Dr. Patel: And then we quarrel! So we stop there. (laughs)
Prabhupada: That's all.
Dr. Patel: Yajna...
Prabhupada: Yajnarthe karmano 'nyatra loko 'yam karma-bandhanah [Bg. 3.9]. (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: Wrong, wrong fully is not yajna.
Prabhupada: What is wrong fully? Everyone is trying. The state is trying.
Dr. Patel: Everything is God. Aham kratur aham yajnah aham ghrtam. "Everything I am." That is Krsna, no? And in the very next verse He says...
Prabhupada: But when there is remembrance of Krsna.
Dr. Patel: That is right.
Prabhupada: Aham. That "aham" must be there.
Dr. Patel: In the name of God, you do, and you forget that you are doing. Two things, that is yajna. That you are not the performer...
Prabhupada: Not... No, you cannot, you cannot manufacture yajna. The yajna-vidhi is there. In the Vedas, sastras. You cannot say that "I am doing for God. That is yajna." Yajna-vidhi. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah, na sukham sa avapnoti [Bg. 16.23]. He cannot get happiness if he derides sastra, yajna-vidhi. You cannot manufacture yajna-vidhi.
Dr. Patel: Krsna's life itself was a yajna.
Prabhupada: No, then there was no need of Bhagavad-gita. Anyone can manufacture his yajna.
Dr. Patel: Yajna. But the very life of Krsna was a yajna. He said that. Aham yajnah. Aham kratur aham ajyam... What is that? I forgot that...
Prabhupada: No, no. Aham yajna, but who is following Krsna? That is the...
Dr. Patel: He follows, you follow, I follow.
Prabhupada: No, no, any...
Dr. Patel: You follow, I follow means I follow Krsna. (laughs)
Prabhupada: Means nobody follows. Because Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Who is doing that?
Dr. Patel: Here dharma means all actions...
Prabhupada: Dharma means occupational duties.
Dr. Patel: Actions.
Prabhupada: Yes. Duty. Dharma means duty.
Dr. Patel: "You give up all other actions and do actions for Me."
Prabhupada: Dharma does not mean so-called some religious fanaticism. Dharma means occupational duty. Just like you are medical man. You have practiced medical dharma. Medical dharma.
Dr. Patel: So I went yesterday early, after quarreling. (laughs)
Prabhupada: Yes. That's all right. No, that's all right. One must... Just like Arjuna. Arjuna was a fighter. His dharma was to fight.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) Fighter... I am wrongly placed in the medical profession. (laughs)
Prabhupada: No. Dharma means one's sva-kar... Just like varnasrama-dharma.
Dr. Patel: That is the real dharma.
Prabhupada: Yes. According to varna and asrama. That is called varnasrama-dharma.
Dr. Patel: The greatest gift to the humanity is varnasrama-dharma by the ancient culture of India.
Prabhupada: No, it is given by God.
Dr. Patel: Whatever it is... But I mean, that is the greatest gift.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Varnasrama-dharma. And I don't know why people don't follow it.
Prabhupada: But there is no guidance. There is no guidance.
Dr. Patel: Even imperceptibly one asrama may be following, is followed by western countries. They have got all the (indistinct) though they are not putting on (indistinct) and all. (Hindi) But presently this is, we are living in Kali-yuga.
Prabhupada: Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. Varnasrama-dharma is there, but it is not organized. Varna... Because it is made by God, maya srstam, it cannot be violated. So... But it (is) in a perverted way. Therefore we are suffering.
Dr. Patel: But in old days, I think, this varnasrama-dharma was followed...
Prabhupada: Strictly.
Dr. Patel: I am reading the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therein so many princes turned into brahmanas, and so many brahmanas turned into daityas.
Prabhupada: But that is...
Dr. Patel: It was by action.
Prabhupada: Yes. Guna, guna-karma-vibhagasah. Not by birth. Guna-karma. Just like you are ksatriya, but because you have acquired the qualification of medical man and you are working as a medical man, therefore you are medical man. Nobody asked you, "You are a ksatriya or a brahmana." You are a medical man.
Dr. Patel: Medical... You know, I think medical work is it brahminical or sudric also?
Prabhupada: That we shall consider later on.
Dr. Patel: (laughs) 'Cause I'll not say now so that I will drive out my doubt about me.
Prabhupada: It is half-brahmana.
Dr. Patel: No, that is all right. At least, little brahmana is good.
Guest (2): It is vaidyic. All vaidyas are brahmanas.
Prabhupada: Yes. No, vaidyas means father brahmana, mother sudra. That is vaidya.
Dr. Patel: They are sutas.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Sutas are brahmana mother and father, father ksatriya. These sut... No? Those brahmanas were sutas.
Prabhupada: No. Sutas means carpenter. Sudra. Hare Krsna Hare Krsna... (japa) [break] ...government minister, he has frankly said that "We do not want you to grow here." You know that?
Dr. Patel: Who is that minister?
Prabhupada: The Home Minister, Havas(?), in Delhi.
Dr. Patel: Oh, Delhi.
Prabhupada: The government is against our movement. Because they are teaching: "Drink wine, eat meat," and we are teaching no meat-eating. How they will approve of our movement?
Dr. Patel: Not only that. We have just now talked about teaching meat. This government of Maharashtra has created an institution, government institution, which are feeding pigs for selling, meat, and poultry. It could have been done by any private institution outside. Why, eh?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: I don't know why they... So they are all sudras, these, these daityas.
Prabhupada: Not sudras. They are less than sudras.
Dr. Patel: Actually, they are the relatives of...
Prabhupada: Mleccha. They have been described in the Bhagavata: mleccha rajanya-rupinah. Mlecchas, they will assume as ksatriya government. Mleccha rajanya-rupinah. Bhaksayisyanti prajas te mleccha rajanya-rupinah.
Dr. Patel: These fellows created such a horrible state. They actually broke down the temple.
Prabhupada: That is a...
Dr. Patel: Why? Why? Why? What, what wrong these boys are doing to them? If any wrong is done to them, it is done by me because I am giving so much botheration to them.
Prabhupada: No, no. It is that wrong that we are preaching no meat-eating, no intoxication. We are the greatest criminal.
Dr. Patel: No, no, not that.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: They are rascals.
Prabhupada: But who is accepting they are? They are still getting votes.
Dr. Patel: They'll not get vote now. That Dundubhi said they'll not get. Dundubhi... No, they will not.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) The people have so much opposed them now, the present government, I think there will be right government next election. The election itself is a sort of great, I mean, mockery committed on the people.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. That I always said.
Dr. Patel: It's a demagogy.
Prabhupada: Then... (Hindi) The votes given by some...
Dr. Patel: Ignorant people.
Prabhupada: ...ignorant people. What is the value?
Dr. Patel: You see, if you go in the assembly...
Prabhupada: Formerly a king was elected by great sages, saintly persons, brahmanas. King was elected. And as soon as he deviated from the sastric principles, he was kicked out.
Dr. Patel: That is right. But we don't want to follow that (indistinct) rama-rajya.
Prabhupada: Then suffer! Then suffer! If your patient does not follow your instruction, he must suffer.
Dr. Patel: He will die.
Prabhupada: That's all.
Dr. Patel: And this institution is going to die. This government, this Congress government, is going... I think the world over this is the...
Prabhupada: No, it is world over.
Dr. Patel: this robbing(?) even in America or England or in Continental countries also. The same.
Prabhupada: The other countries, they were never following.
Dr. Patel: Worst are these Muslim countries. They kill each other and come into the power. Still they are following their forefathers. They are faithful to them.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. (japa).
Dr. Patel: We should go there. And here.
Prabhupada: A little more?
Dr. Patel: So I am trying to associate with them because here is a guru who is trying to spread the real religion to the foreign countries.
Prabhupada: Thank you very much.
Dr. Patel: Sometimes I don't, I mean, they don't like me. Because I am a man who talks non..., sometimes like a Patel. But still I love them because they are sadhus, and you know we must love some...
Prabhupada: Yes. There is a poetry, Cowper: "England, with all thy faults, I love you."
Dr. Patel: No. They may not be liking me because sometimes I am very much opposing them, but...
Prabhupada: That is also loving.
Dr. Patel: But I tell you that this institution should be allowed to flourish so that your culture will spread the world over. Today, today the world is actually languishing under the wrong influence of the wrong culture.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Now Americans are seriously considering about this movement. There are so many writings.
Dr. Patel: You are... As a matter of fact, you are improving their lot. The present boys, in American universities, they are all LSD smokers. The other day I said that, and that boy said that LSD went from India and so I became violent. Forgive me. I felt sorry later on. Because I should not have expressed my temper before you...
Prabhupada: No, the...
Dr. Patel: But I held in a little more temper than that also. When somebody tells a wrong thing.
Prabhupada: No, this ganja, ganja went from here.
Dr. Patel: That, because it is produced in India.
Prabhupada: Yes. And they made a chemical composition of ganja. That is LSD.
Dr. Patel: No, no. LSD is not chemical. It is a synthetic.
Prabhupada: Therefore similar effect. Because they are scientific. So instead of importing ganja from India, they invented some chemical composition...
Dr. Patel: (indistinct) out of these boys. They smoke even in the classrooms, in their residences...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: ...in their university camps and everywhere.
Prabhupada: Now it is going to be legalized.
Dr. Patel: Smoking?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Just like they have legalized the prostitution.
Prabhupada: Yes. Anything... Because it is vote. Majority wants. "All right. Make it legalized."
Dr. Patel: All, they have...
Prabhupada: Same thing here even. Majority wants to be godless. So government is following that. Therefore they are against our movement. (aside:) Hare Krsna, Jaya. Namaskara. Hare Krsna. Now the vox populi. Majority wants to become drunkards. "All right, it is legalized." Majority wants prostitute hunters. "All right. It is legalized." This is government. No consideration of morality or religion. Majority wants, it must be given.
Dr. Patel: No, but, I mean, it is all... It must fall. There is no culture. This is a total degeneration of the humanity at large.
Prabhupada: Yes. They must suffer. And they're suffering. Still, they're blind.
Dr. Patel: So-called followers of Christianity actually killing Christ every day.
Prabhupada: No, no. Why do you take Christianity? Everyone. Everyone.
Dr. Patel: No, but they are majority. They...
Prabhupada: Everyone. Your Hindus also.
Dr. Patel: We have degenerated because we have been ruled by foreigners for so many years. But these fellows, being so free in thinking and doing things, they...
Prabhupada: You see. Following of religious principle does not depend on foreign rule or home rule.
Dr. Patel: That does...
Prabhupada: Ahaituky apratihata. This is the description. Sa vai pumsam paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhoksaje, ahaituky apratihata [SB 1.2.6]. One who follows actually. Just like we are following some principles. It cannot be checked by anyone. We do not accept anyone.
Dr. Patel: No, no. I think it is so, to my mind. Look at the history of India. After thousand years ready...
Prabhupada: No, no. Religion does not depend on history. It does not depend on history. It depends on culture, how one is sincere.
Dr. Patel: But when one culture is infected by a dirty culture of other people, the culture gets spoiled. You know, you put one...
Prabhupada: Just like you are medical man. During British rule, you were medical man, and home rule, you are medical man. It does not mean it has to be changed because the government has changed. One who is unscrupulous, he changes.
Dr. Patel: What I mean to say is culture. If you take, put a...
Prabhupada: Anything! Culture, this religious culture...
Dr. Patel: If you put two rotten mangoes in a tokari (?) of good mangoes, all will be rotten. That is what has happened to us.
Prabhupada: So that means it is meant for the, who cannot resist.
Dr. Patel: But that human, human, I mean, temperament is such. I mean this is easier to fall than to rise.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is all right.
Dr. Patel: So the humanity has fallen today. That is what has happened.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: At last. Not only here, but...
Prabhupada: Yes, that is, that is also another fault.
Dr. Patel: ...also another, America or England or, say, in Continent or European countries. Everywhere, including the all oriental countries as well.
Prabhupada: Where is...? Mr. Shah is not...? He's not come today?
Dr. Patel: No, he had not come. These are seven today, but they all went away from here. All were very busy. [break]
Prabhupada: ...mleccha. Mleccha rajanya-rupinah. Mlecchas will take the position of government.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) [break]
Prabhupada: ...he is concerned, he has done his duty. And he has promised to phone. Now it is his duty.
Dr. Patel: No, no. But Swamiji, means, we have to follow it up, no?
Prabhupada: What following? We are following for the last four months. They are calling, "Come day, this date, that date." This is following.
Dr. Patel: I was a member of the Municipal Corporation of Bombay. I know that in ordinary course these rascals don't pass the plans for six and eight months. What do you say?
Prabhupada: So how one gentleman can deal with rascals? That is another dilemma.
Dr. Patel: Very difficult.
Guest (3): They told that within one month time we will do it, the municipal (indistinct). But they will (indistinct) for some special purpose, whatever it may be.
Dr. Patel: It is because you call it a temple. If you don't call it a temple, it's such an...
Prabhupada: No, how can I take, tell false things?
Dr. Patel: No, that is what they are objecting.
Guest (4): No, no. It must be a temple.
Dr. Patel: When I constructed this house, I wanted to make it into a sort of hospital and a nursing home. So they, "If you want nursing home, well, we won't pass it." Because my nephew was to come back to India. Now he is suffering in the States... [break]
Prabhupada: That clerical staff, they are making budget. One clerk is saying. "No, no, it must be twenty lakhs." And another clerk says, "No, no, ten lakhs."
Indian Man (4): The same thing here.
Prabhupada: Yes. So these clerks settle up budget. And the minister says, "Now it is..." The ministers even tax their brain... This is... Whatever the lower staff, clerks...
Dr. Patel: They are brainless, to tell the truth. The scum of the society has gone... The other day, I said, "Who are the ministers today?" The middle class of people, those rogues and rascals who followed Gandhiji.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: The highest people died out. We, who were young boys, we are, in our own ways, engaged in our own professions. The rascals... The rascals are the ministers. Am I right or wrong?
Prabhupada: Oh yes. From the beginning. From the beginning. Now, if you don't mind, I'll say. This Jawaharlal was rejected by his father. After coming from foreign country, he was simply after women. So his father thought that "This son is useless." So he was lying useless. So when Gandhi approached Motilal Nehru, that "Come and join," so he took the opportunity that "I am coming, settling up. You please take my son." So that is the beginning of Jawaharlal Nehru's life.
Dr. Patel: The whole co...
Prabhupada: No, as you say, all the rascals joined, and they became big men.
Dr. Patel: But this particular community of Kashmiri brahmanas, this type of people, they are the product of the local debauchery. I am sorry to say these words before a saint.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: But it is so, fact.
Prabhupada: Nehru's family is Mohammedan family, everything Mohammedans. Yes. You know?
Dr. Patel: And those men...
Prabhupada: His daughter, his daughter was kidnapped by Mohammedans. Not kidnapped. She willingly went.
Yasomatinandana: Whose daughter?
Prabhupada: This Motilal Nehru's. Jawaharlal's sister.
Dr. Patel: Who was ambassador in America. Vijaya Laksmi Gandhi. In America only, in states also, she was always keeping fully drunk and all... These are the type of people ruling over.
Prabhupada: She was not coming back from that Mohammedan. Only Gandhi intermediated.
Dr. Patel: Mahatmaji played a fool with her. Being a bania he said that one wanted to, had to be a Muslim. So Mahatmaji said he would ask that man to become a Hindu. "If he becomes Hindu, I don't mind. You marry her." And that fellow, the Muslim, would not become Hindu. And then he ran off. That is how it happened.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Dr. Patel: ...of the Hindu culture as we have suffered from Muslims.
Prabhupada: No, it is all gone.
Dr. Patel: That is why, that is why you don't speak much of Muslims. But they are rogues and rascals, lower than...
Prabhupada: No, we don't hate Muslims. I have got many students, Muslims.
Dr. Patel: No, we don't hate. I mean, what they have done in past, their forefathers. They have demolished so many temples. Because they did not... They were all (Hindi).
Prabhupada: And this is all going on. Even in the Kurus' family, the other party, how much wrong they did to the Pandavas. They insulted their wife, they took their kingdom, and so many... They sent them to the forest, banishment. What did they not do? It is not the question of Hindu-Muslim. It is the question of the man, who is concerned.
Dr. Patel: Swami, you have got a soft kind of conscience.
Prabhupada: Eh? Eh?
Dr. Patel: Soft kind of consciousness.
Prabhupada: No, no. For everybody. No, No. Because these are, these are designation. So our philosophy is sarvopadhi-vinirmuktam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. Be free from all designations. Just like you are. You don't hate any particular patient because he's Hindu or Muslim.
Dr. Patel: I? I hate Muslims. I am telling the truth.
Prabhupada: What kind of physician...?
Dr. Patel: I am their enemy number one. (Hindi conversation) If I have to... If I were a prime minister of this country. I would ask them to go to Pakistan.
Prabhupada: No, no. As a physician...
Dr. Patel: They wanted Pakistan for themselves.
Prabhupada: As a physician, you cannot deny...
Dr. Patel: As a physician, I will treat even animal...
Prabhupada: Yes. That...
Dr. Patel: ...if he is dying. That is different story. But I won't...
Prabhupada: So that is our position.
Dr. Patel: That is right.
Prabhupada: That is our position.
Dr. Patel: That is... I am discharging my duty. But had I been a prime minister of this country, I would have discharged my duty that way.
Prabhupada: Yes. We don't like Muslim culture, but...
Dr. Patel: But I, I hate them!
Prabhupada: But...!
Dr. Patel: Because...! Because, to them...! Pardon me interrupting. They, their culture is this. I consider every woman to be my sister, excepting my wife. They consider every woman equal to their wife excepting their sister. This is the difference between the two cultures.
Prabhupada: So then... Why do you...? Mean, there are different, many cultures. But we are concerned with Krsna culture. That's all.
Dr. Patel: That's right. Our our, this is a Krsna culture. Krsna religion says you have to take every women to be your mother or sister. But they don't take them to be... Excepting their own sister, everyone is equal to their wife. Am I right or wrong? I mean, they... No... I... That is why I hate them.
Prabhupada: Nowadays, that is happening in your Hindu society also.
Dr. Patel: That is degeneration because they were contamin...
Yasomatinandana: They are now developing the same community.
Dr. Patel: They have, they have...
Yasomatinandana: Because the Muslims, they have all this. And now the Hindus, they...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Contaminated, they have contaminated the Hindu society by their contact, long contact.
Prabhupada: Otherwise how the Hindus dared to demolish our temple?
Indian Man (5): Yes. That is the main thing.
Prabhupada: They are less than Muslims
Dr. Patel: (Hindi for few sentences) This is, I tell you. That was a sort of a... We did not know how to act. (two people talking at once) This is how... Some people didn't... Some section of the people. Now Sonara, Sonara... So... They would not have earned. Otherwise they would not have touched anything. (Hindi) I told the people that did not know. They did it unaware. And we got a shock when we learned next morning that temple was demolished. Not only the pillars were cut by gas...
Yasomatinandana: For this temple, they raise so much objection, there is so much hassling, hassle.
Dr. Patel: They object because, you see. (Hindi) If you, if your enmity is created, even your good qualities, I would look down at that. That is what these people are doing some how or other. I don't know how.
Prabhupada: Dosam icchanti pamarah.
Dr. Patel: Hm.
Prabhupada: Gunam icchanti... (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: These are pamarah. That, all this thing happened because that man, that... What is his name? Who happened to be now the minister of the neighborhood corporation. Mahaprema. He was supported by this Nair, the owner of this property. And then there was some difficulty in the finalization of the deed(?). So Nair it took a wrong turn, and this man were instigated to do all nonsense, and he went and did his worse, which he should not have done. And he still keeps on doing on that. [break]
Nitai: (chants japa several times) (end)

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