Satsvarupa: He said, "You write in your books that your movement by Lord Caitanya is the..., as if it's the most exclusive thing." He said, "But actually, in India the Ramanuja is a more prominent Vaisnava sect." So, as I understand our claim, it's based on the fact that we worship Krsna in a higher form, in Krsnaloka, and they worship Krsna which leads to Vaikuntha.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...quarter there is no cinema song. Bhaja gopalam. (there is music playing in background, recording of a boy or woman singing "bhaja gopala")

Satsvarupa: Srinivasa (?) said every... [break] ...is controlled by the temple here. Even the government doesn't control.

Prabhupada: This is all temple here around (indistinct). [break]

Satsvarupa: ...prominence. [break]

Indian man: We came here yesterday. We went to the temple three times and just for a long...

Prabhupada: Oh, very good.

Indian man: This is my wife and daughter. You came yesterday?

Prabhupada: Yes, I came yesterday at about eleven.

Indian man: We saw you in the evening going to the temple.

Prabhupada: Yes. It is very nice place.

Indian man: Very nice, beautiful place. Very inspiring. Where's (indistinct) American? (?)

Prabhupada: I am, of course, Indian, but I have got my headquarters in America. (chuckles) Yes.

Indian man: America. (chuckles) I think I have seen you at Bombay once.

Prabhupada: Yes, Bombay I have got my headquarters.

Indian man: And your friends were there at the airport, Santa Cruz Airport, and you came by plane, some two years back I remember.

Prabhupada: No, I am going every year. Two times, three times, I have to go all round the world.

Indian man: I respectfully request you your name, please.

Prabhupada: Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. That's all. Call me Prabhupada. I am preaching this cult, what you have come to see, this being expanded all over the world.

Indian man: Yes, yes. It's very good.

Prabhupada: And we have got about hundred temples.

Indian man: At every America?

Prabhupada: No, no, all over the world. In America I have got forty temples.

Indian man: Forty temples, I see.

Prabhupada: Yes. In England we have got about five. And France, in German, we have got four.

Indian man: In Germany also.

Prabhupada: Oh yes. Germany, Sweden, Rome, and Australia.

Indian man: They are also... They are very devoted to our creed, our religion?

Prabhupada: Yes, we are preaching Bhagavad-gita. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam sa... [Bg. 18.66]. That is the only religion.

Indian man: Yes, yes.

Prabhupada: Everything is not religion. It is cheating. Only religion is to surrender to the Lord. That is religion. Sa vai pumsam paro dharmah.

Indian man: I am a Vaisnavite, you see. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam papebhyo... [Bg. 18.66].

Prabhupada: That is, religion. That is religion. Moksayisyami ma sucah.

Indian man: Om namo narayana (recites mantra). These are our, is our mantra.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes, you are Vaisnava. The Vaisnava, that is real form of religion. Others, they are not religion. It has been rejected in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra [SB 1.1.2]. Atra, kaitavah religion is rejected. Kaitavah means cheating.

Indian man: We have to surrender ourselves to God. That's all.

Prabhupada: That is religion. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means the codes and the laws given by the Lord. That is religion. So if one does not surrender to the Lord, then what kind of religion it is? It is not religion. Just like good citizen means who abides by the law of the state. If he does not care for the laws, then what kind of good citizen he is? Similarly, if one does not surrender to the Supreme, then his religion has no meaning. It is simply cheating, that's all. What is your name?

Indian man: Raja Gopal Iyengar.

Prabhupada: Brahmana.

Indian man: Brahmana. Vaisnavite.

Prabhupada: Yes, Iyengars are all...

Indian man: We belong to South India.

Wife: Yesterday I saw you in the temple, I and my daughter.

Prabhupada: Yes. How many children you have got?

Indian man: I have got three sons and four daughters.

Prabhupada: All daughters, sons.

Indian man: Three sons, three daughters are married. This daughter is to be married. She is a doctorate. She has got M.Sc., Ph.D., in nuclear physics. She went to England for one year.

Prabhupada: Where did you stay in England?

Daughter: Liverpool.

Prabhupada: Liverpool. I think we have got our branch.

Daughter: Manchester, I have seen, Manchester.

Prabhupada: Manchester you have seen? Oh. Manchester, Liverpool, and London... London we have got two.

Indian man: London, in London I have got my son. My son is there.

Prabhupada: Oh. What he is doing?

Indian man: He is employed there. He's an accountant, cost accountant.

Prabhupada: Oh. So your children are also... (laughs)

Indian man: I have got another boy in West Germany.

Prabhupada: West Germany. Berlin?

Indian man: No, he is in Frankfurt.

Prabhupada: Frankfurt. Oh, yes. Frankfurt is a big city. Sons are all married?

Indian man: The last son is not married. Two sons are married. Three daughters are... This daughter is to be married. We are trying, not able to get a suitable groom, you see. With your blessings I hope we will succeed.

Prabhupada: (chuckles) Nowadays it is very difficult job to get married. (everyone laughs)

Wife: Suitable.

Prabhupada: Well, suitable cannot be. There is no suitable.

Indian man: Difficult to find.

Prabhupada: Yes. Formerly, as the girl is grown up, any boy.

Indian man: We used to marry at the age of ten, eleven. That is... Those days have been forty years back.

Prabhupada: I was also married. My wife was eleven years old.

Indian man: My wife was eleven when she was married. I was only sixteen when I was married. Only a difference of four or five years.

Prabhupada: Yes. And before that, I heard my father-in-law, he was eleven years old, and my mother-in-law was seven years old. My eldest sister was born at nine years old. And I was born after her marriage.

Indian man: Those old days are finished.

Prabhupada: All right, thank you. (end)