Prabhupada: ...the brain of Einstein.

Atreya Rsi: Brain of who?

Devotee (1): Einstein?

Prabhupada: Einstein.

Atreya Rsi: Well, the way they're doing it is through the genetic, yes.

Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, they are trying...

Atreya Rsi: Yes.

Prabhupada: ...to make a xerox copy. So why not the original?

Devotee (1): What is that?

Prabhupada: Explain to him.

Atreya Rsi: Why not the original?

Prabhupada: Yes. The scientists, they are trying to make a xerox copy of Professor Einstein. So why not the original? Hm? What is their answer?

Atreya Rsi: They cannot keep the original alive.

Prabhupada: No, that's all right, but let them make one original.

Devotee (1): They can't even begin.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Devotee (1): They can't even make a cell.

Prabhupada: Then what is their credit?

Devotee (1): They have made a computer.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Devotee (1): They have made a computer, but it takes a human being to program the computer.

Prabhupada: So what is their credit? If you simply copy something, that is not credit. The credit should go to the original.

Atreya Rsi: The scientists admit that there is nothing new that they can make. Everything is the manipulation of the laws of nature.

Prabhupada: Then the thing is that as they are individual person trying to do something wonderful, the individual person who has already done all this wonderful, how much credit He deserves. If by simply copying you want to take so much credit that you will defy the existence of God, you are so fool, rascal, then how much credit should be given to the original person who has made all these things existing. What is their answer?

Atreya Rsi: They simply don't care.

Devotee (1): Like that man said last night, "We will do it."

Prabhupada: You will do, that's all right, you will do it, but it is already there. What is your credit, you will do it? It is already there, then what is your credit?

Atreya Rsi: They choose to ignore it.

Prabhupada: Even if you do that, the already one who has done it, why don't you give Him credit?

Devotee (1): Yeah, instead of being envious.

Prabhupada: Tan aham dvisatah kruran [Bg. 16.19], they are envious, rascal. Envious means rascal. That is material quality. And spiritual quality means to praise good quality. "Oh, you are so nice, you have got so good quality." That is spiritual. And enviousness, "Oh, this man is surpassing me. All right, I..."

Devotee (1): Cut him down.

Prabhupada: That's right. This is material. Matsarata. This is explained in Bhagavata as matsarata. Paramo nirmatsaranam satam vastavah vastu vedyam atra [SB 1.1.2].

Devotee (1): Last night you said that that man's claim was like a poor man saying, "Yes, I'll become a millionaire."

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee (1): "Someday I'll become a millionaire."

Prabhupada: And he wants the respect of a millionaire immediately, with future tense. Just see. "You give me the respect of a millionaire. I shall become in future a millionaire." What is this nonsense? First of all you become millionaire, then ask the respect. They want the credit beforehand. Trust no future, however pleasant. Why shall I believe you?

Devotee (1): There's a lake over there. There's a pond, we can walk down there.

Prabhupada: Oh, bridge we are not going to cross? All right.

Atreya Rsi: Every time they find something new they should be glorifying Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is Krsna consciousness.

Devotee (2): (aside) What's in there?

Devotee (1): Peaches.

Atreya Rsi: It's all there.

Devotee (1): These are all peach trees.

Prabhupada: Oh. You have made this nice park, but with the help of God, who has created all these trees. You cannot do that. This means that you try to help or cooperate with God, then your credit is all right. Just like God has created this tree, and you are cooperating to make it nicely trimmed, make this path, this is cooperation. You take this much credit. But the first credit given to God, who has created this tree.

Atreya Rsi: Does this remind you of Vrndavana, Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Atreya Rsi: Is this like Vrndavana?

Prabhupada: Vrndavana is different. This is man-made.

Devotee (2): Is this like Dvaraka, when Krsna was living in Dvaraka, they had...

Prabhupada: Yes, Dvaraka, yes. Vrndavana trees are all full of fruits and flowers. These are for fuel, these trees.

Devotee (1): For fuel.

Prabhupada: That's all. For burning. There is no fruits and flowers. [break]

Devotee (1): ...come on shore and get drunk and make trouble. They have their own police.

Prabhupada: Military has their own police.

Devotee (1): Yeah.

Prabhupada: They are so pious and advanced in civilization, the students require police. The dean has publicly requested police, and still they are very much proud of advancement.

Atreya Rsi: The police steals too.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee (1): Especially in New York.

Prabhupada: And police also requires another police. Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-guna [SB 5.18.12].

Atreya Rsi: All these Indians coming to this country to benefit, maybe we should go to India to take care of Vrndavana and all these other lands.

Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore, this movement is there.

Atreya Rsi: Will we be someday in charge of those?

Prabhupada: Oh yes, we are already in charge. You simply take charge. Your appointment is already there; simply go and take charge over.

Devotee (1): No one else can even dispute it.

Prabhupada: Yes. (end)