Then the most authentic evidence is sruti, out of three evidences, the sruti, hearing from the authority. Just like Krsna says, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. So Krsna says... Krsna is the authority, best authority, supreme authority. So we can understand from His speech that in the sun planet there is a king whose name is Vaivasvata. And Krsna says that "I spoke to Vivasvan." So Vivasvan... Now, nobody can say when the sun planet was created. But we can calculate, as it is said, vivasvan manave prahuh, that Vivasvan, he explained to Manu. So Manu's age we can calculate. Manu's age, there are seventy-two Manus in one day of Brahma. And the one day of Brahma means forty-three hundred thousands of years multiplied by one thousand and divided by seventy-two. Then we can immediately calculate what is Manu's age. So by Manu's age we can calculate that forty millions of years ago Krsna spoke to the sun-god about this philosophy. This is called sruti. The exact calculation, by sruti you can make. So sruti-pramana.

So here it is said deva-pravarah. The Visnudutas, they are coming from Vaikuntha, so beautiful, so nicely dressed, four-handed with ornaments, helmet, garland. So they have experience of the demigods, but the Visnudutas do not belong to this material world. They belong to the spiritual world. Therefore they are addressed deva-pravarah, "More than the demigods," deva-pravarah. They are very much pleased to see the Visnudutas, although argument is going on. Immediately after see them, they are, the Yamadutas, they are very much pleased upon them, that "They are not ordinary living being." And with four hands. Therefore they are addressing, deva-pravarah. Yatheha deva-pravaras trai-vidhyam upalabhyate. Vidhi, tri-vidha. Tri-vidha means three varieties. Vidha mean variety, and tri means three. So from tri-vidha it is said, trai-vidhyam bhavah.

So trai-vidhyam, three kinds. Three kinds. Here also, in this world, we see varieties of men, varieties of animals, varieties of trees, varieties of insects-many varieties. It is already informed that altogether, within this universe, there are 8,400,000 varieties of life. Life is one. The varieties means body. Just like we are sitting. Every one of us has got a particular type of body. You will never find that this man or this boy or this girl exactly of the same bodily feature. Varieties. So altogether there are classes, or species, 8,400,000. So those who are experienced, thoughtful men, by reading scripture... Just like Krsna says that imam vivasvate yogam proktavan. He said to the sun-god or the president of the sun planet, Vivasvan. So that means that is also a similar place like this. You cannot say there is no living entity. Anumiyate. That is intelligence. Because this planet is also one of the material things, everything is made here, earth, water, air, fire. So somewhere some element is very prominent. Here in this planet the earth is prominent. In the sun planet the fire is prominent. But that does not mean there is no living entity. This is foolishness. Anumiyate. This is intelligence, that everything within this universe, this material universe, everything is made of these five elements: earth, water, fire, air, sky. We see here practically that the aquatics, they have got a different type of body, and they are very peacefully living in the water. And if you are thrown in the water, you will die. And the fish is taken from the water; he will die. So land, water, firethe particular type of body.

So here it is said that it is anumiyate. As here we find varieties, similarly, in other planet or in next life there are varieties. This is intelligence, human intelligence. Why you should say there is no next life or there is no life in other planet? Therefore we have to refer to the sastras, sastra-vidhi. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama... [Bg. 16.23]. If you unnecessarily becomes too much intelligent and theorize, then he is never successful, he is never sukhi. Na sukham na... Na siddhim sa avapnoti na sukham na param gatim. Such a rascal, who does not consult the sastras and thinks whimsically according to his mad conception, such person, na siddhim avapnoti. That is spoken by Krsna. He will never get success. He will simply speculate. There is no, definite knowledge. Na sukham, and he is not happy. And what to speak of going back to home, back to Godhead. He is a rascal. There is no hope. So do not conclude in your foolish way anything. Just refer to the sastra, authority, sruti. Therefore it is called sruti. We cannot imagine that there is possibility of living entity in the sun planet or moon planet, but sruti... Just like Krsna says that "I spoke to sun-god." So by hearing this sruti, we understand that there is also life and there is also system, the government, the chief executive. Everything is there. And that is by sruti anumiyate. Anumiyate means you can imagine it is a fact.

So from sastra we can get the different varieties of life there are, 8,400... Some of them living for a few second, some of them are living few hours, some of them are living for years, and some of them are living for a few millions of years, some millions of years, just like Brahma. You cannot calculate Brahma's duration of life. But the duration of life is given in the Bhagavad-gita, sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh [Bg. 8.17]. So you have to understand like that, that here is Brahma's twelve hours, one day, millions and millions of years. And he lives for hundred years. So his hundred years and my hundred years is not the same. That is scientific, relativity. Or the ant's hundred years and my hundred years is not the same. The space, time, they differ according to position. I think Professor Einstein has got this knowledge, relativity, Law of Relativity. Everything is... My one moment and Brahma's one moment, different. My one moment, the ant's one moment is different, according to my body. But time is unlimited, eternal. But according to my body, it is past, present and future. An ant's past, present, future and my past, present, futuredifferent. My past, present, future and Brahma's past, present, futuredifferent. It is the relative. Just like by speed we are calculating this whole world is twenty-five thousand miles. But it has been proved by the, what is that? Weapon for going to the space? Sputnik, sputnik. He rounded over the worldone hour, twenty-five minutes. That is experience, relative. If you increase your speed, then the round about time decreases. Similarly, if by yoga system you increase your speed, then you can travel all over the universe as Durvasa Muni said. Durvasa Muni, he crossed over this universe and went to the Vaikunthaloka. It took only one year. This is relative. It took one years only. And you cannot go in so many years. Panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyah [Bs. 5.34]. Everything is relative.

So first of all the Yamadutas are so experienced because they are servant of Yamaraja. He is not ordinary living being. Therefore they are explaining that how people are happy, unhappy, in one position or other... It is due to past activities, dharma adharma. That is the next verse. So the example is given that why there are so many varieties of living entities? It is due to varieties of three gunas. Last evening I was talking with that Hope(?) professor that "Why in country like America and Europe there are hippies lying on the street? Why? They are not poor. In India you can say that they are poor. They have no shelter; therefore lying down on the street." I thought when I came that there is no man in America who is lying down, street, because that is rich country. But when I actually saw in Bowery, hundreds of men are lying down in the street... They are not poor, but they are destined to lie down on the street. So the three orders, traigunya, trai-vidhya, must be there. Either it may be America or Europe or India or Czechoslovakia or anywhere. Anywhere, the three must..., one high class, one middle class and low class. There must be there. And then again take these three varieties and multiply it again with three, nine. Then nine into nine. eighty-one.

So these varieties of bodies are there. You cannot change the law of nature. Struggle for existence: we are trying to conquer over the laws of nature. That is not possible. Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14]. So these are the subject matter of studies. Why there are, everyone is unhappy and happy to some extent? According to these qualities. So here it is said, therefore, that "As here we see in this life, in duration of life, there are varieties, similarly, guna-vaicitryat, by the varieties of the guna, guna-vaicitryat," tathanyatranumiyate. Anyatra means next life or next planet or next anything. Everything is being controlled. Traigunya-visaya veda nistraigunyo bhavarjuna. Krsna advises Arjuna that "The whole material world is being controlled by these three gunas," guna-vaicitryat. "Therefore you become nistraigunya, where these three gunas cannot act." Nistraigunyo bhavarjuna. So how you can stop the action of these three gunas? That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita:

So that is wanted, that guna-vaicitryat, if you want to save yourself from these varieties of life, birth, death, old age and disease, and accept so many varieties of life... Just like you were telling while walking that there are trees in California; they are living for five thousand years. That is also another variety of life. People are trying to live for many many years. By nature's way, here is a tree, five thousand years. So is that kind of living is very profitable, to stand up five thousand years in a forest? So any variety of life within this material world is not good, either you are demigod or tree or this or that. That is education. That is education. So one should understand that any varieties of life, either as demigod or dog, here the life is troublesome. The demigods even, they are put into so many dangers. Many times they approach God. So here you will be always in danger. Padam padam yad vipadam [SB 10.14.58]. It is futile to attempt to make this material world dangerless. That is not possible. As there are varieties of bodies, varieties of dangers, calamities, so one after another, you will have to... So best thing is, therefore, stop this business, material. That is Vedic civilization. The whole Vedic civilization is based on this idea, that "Stop this nonsense business, repetition of birth, death, old age." Therefore Krsna said, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi duhkha-dosanudarsanam [Bg. 13.9]. This is knowledge. What knowledge, this technical knowledge, this knowledge? You cannot stop these things. Therefore main business is how to stop it. And because they are foolish people, they think that "These things cannot be stopped. Let us go on with this repetition of birth and death, and in each life let us struggle for existence." This is material civilization, ignorance, no knowledge.

The knowledge is given by Bhagavan Sri Krsna that "Here is the solution: janma karma ca me divyam yo janati tattvatah, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]." The problem is punar janma, repetition of birth, and if you want to stop it, then try to understand Krsna. Then you will be able to stop. As soon as you understand Krsna... To understand Krsna means even if you blindly accept, that is also beneficial. Krsna says what He is, that He is the Supreme Lord. So you accept Him. That's all. Simply have this faith, that "Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead." That will make you sufficiently advanced. But this is very difficult for the materialistic person. Therefore Krsna says, bahunam janmanam ante: [Bg. 7.19] "After endeavoring for many, many births," bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate, jnanavan, "who is actually wise, he surrenders to Krsna." Otherwise, na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah: [Bg. 7.15] "Otherwise he remain a rascal and implicated in sinful activities, lowest of the mankind, knowledge is taken away." Na mam prapadyante: "He never surrenders to Krsna."

So our Krsna consciousness movement is to propagate this knowledge that you understand Krsna, that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, by His activities which are recorded in the sastra. When Krsna was present on this earthly planet, He showed according to our understanding. Just like one man cannot maintain one wife: He married sixteen thousand wife. And He maintained them how? Sixteen thousand palaces. And will the women will be satisfied simply having very good palaces? No, she must have husband. So Krsna expanded Himself into sixteen thousand husband. This is Krsna. But because I cannot do it, we say, "Oh, this is all allegory, fiction. It is not fact." That is our defect. If God comes, explains, then we do not believe Him. Then how we will be convinced about God? God is omnipotent, and when He shows His omnipotency and it is recorded in the sastra, we don't believe. So therefore, why we do not believe? Now, yesam anta-gatam papam. Yesam... Krsna says everything.

So you engage yourself in the routine devotional service of Krsna. Either understanding or not understanding, your life will be successful. Just like if you touch fire, understanding or not understanding, it will burn. Similarly, take to this Krsna consciousness. There is nothing blindly accepting. Everything is explained in the sastra, preliminary knowledge in Bhagavad-gita, further explained in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. So utilize your human life in understanding Krsna, and then your life will be successful.

Thank you very much. (end)