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740123SB.HAW
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.16.26-30

Hawaii, January 23, 1974
Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)
satyam saucam daya ksantis
tyagah santosa arjavam
samo damas tapah samyam
titiksoparatih srutam
Prabhupada: So Dharitri, the earthly planet, was lamenting that "Due to the contamination done by the Kali, I am thinking I am lost of all these good qualities." So saucam, satyam, truthfulness. We must remember always that we are part and parcel of God. So we have all the good qualities of God; that is our nature. Just like the drop of the ocean water, it has got all the qualities of the ocean. There is no doubt about it. Therefore, even if we take a little drop of ocean water, because the ocean water is salty, we taste the water salty. The salt is there also, but in minute quantity. The ocean has got millions and trillions of tons of salt, and here, in the drop of the water, there is a grain of salt. But salt is there. Another example: just like a little portion of gold. So that is also gold; it is not iron. So naturally, in our original position we have got all the good qualities of God. Now, due to the material contamination, the godly qualities are now covered. The godly qualities are there, but it is covered. That covering is possible due to our very minuteness, very small quantity. Therefore we are fallible, but Krsna is not fallible.
Another example: big fire and the spark. The spark is also fire, but it has got the potency to become extinguished. Suppose a spark falls down from the original fire, down. It is extinguished. But the big fire does not extinguish. Therefore the big fire, or Krsna, is infallible. His name is Acyuta, infallible. The Mayavada philosopher says that "We are in maya, and as soon as the maya is taken away, we are God." So we are not God, but we manifest our godly qualities when maya is taken away. So long we are covered by maya, our godly qualities are not manifest, but we are not God. Or you are God, but not that God, that big God, but you are a particle of. You can say, "I am God," but you are not that original, chief God. That you are not. This is our philosophy. And that is very genuine. How can I be God? If I am God, then why I have lost my godly qualities? Or why my godly qualities are now covered? This is very common sense. The godly qualities are there. Just like a small particle of the spark, it is carbon. When it comes out of the fire, then it is extinguished. But if you put again to the fire, it is carbon, again bright, brightened. Similarly, we are part and parcel of God, but if we fall down from the association of God, then we become..., appearing like material. But we are not material. It appears that extinguished. This is simultaneously... Acintya-bhedabheda-tattva. We are simultaneously one and different. As part and parcel in quality, we are one; but in quantity God is great, we are small particle.
So originally, we have got all these qualities:
satyam saucam daya ksantis
tyagah santosa arjavam
samo damas tapah samyam
titiksoparatih srutam
Everything is there. But due to material contamination, especially in this age, Kali-yuga... The Kali-yuga is very strong. Time is very strong, that even in contact, coming in contact with Krsna consciousness, they are falling. They are falling. That is due to Kali-yuga. Therefore Mother Dharitri is... Socami rahitam lokam papmana kalineksitam: "Now the Kali-yuga has come. I'm thinking that... I'm very much disturbed that people are losing their original qualities." These qualities are not to be acquired. These qualities are there, but it is covered. Just like a sharpened knife. The cutting power is there, but when it is covered by dirt, it does not cut.
So this is due to our material contamination. Therefore we have to revive it. That sharpness, we have to revive. That is Krsna consciousness movement. If one is actually Krsna conscious, then these qualities will be visible in his person. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah [SB 5.18.12]. That is the test. If one is actually advanced in Krsna consciousness, you'll not find any fault in him. That is Krsna consciousness. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana. If one has got unflinching faith and devotion to the Supreme Personality of Godhead... Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunaih, all the good qualities. These are the good qualities, mentioned here: satyam saucam, samo damah santosa arjavam, samyam, so many, twenty-six good qualities of Vaisnava. These good qualities will be manifest. Then we understand, "Oh, here is actually a pure devotee." A pure devotee cannot be contaminated, just like God cannot be contaminated. But we are part and parcel, a small God. We can say, "God, I am God," but if you have got sense, you will say that "I am not the great God, but I am small God." That is sense. Because you have got the God qualities, you are not the Supreme. That is not possible. Supreme is Supreme. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). That is the Vedic injunction, that He is the chief of the eternals. We are all eternal. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. We are not lost or dead on account of our annihilation of this body. That is not possible. Nityah sasvato 'yam na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. As God is eternal, we are also eternal. As God is sasvata, we are also sasvata, but small, acintya-bhedabheda. This is our philosophy.
So Krsna consciousness movement means to revive the original consciousness. If one is actually in Krsna, he'll be truthful. Truthfulness. These are the qualities. Cleanliness, always clean, taking thrice bath. Cloth clean, mind clean, body clean, activities clean, desire clean, thinking clean—everything clean. No contamination. This is the test. "I am doing all nasty things, and I am advertising 'I am advanced devotee.' " What rascal you are? You are doing all nonsense and you are advanced? But they have no shame even, to call themselves... Shameless. Shameless, even not gentlemen. Cheating, and still, he is advertising, "I am advanced." But a person who is actually in Krsna consciousness or actual... Sadhu-sastra-guru-vakya, tinete koriya aikya. We have to...
Just like if you go to the chemical laboratory, you are testing the characteristic. In the book there is characteristic, even an ordinary chemical. Now, they say... Take, for example, salt. It is called? Chemical name is sodium chloride. Eh? Sodium chloride. So in the book you'll find sodium chloride, and the characteristics, "It is like this. It is like this. It is like this." The color, the taste, the composition, so many things are there. Similarly... How we are testing the purity of sodium chloride? From the books. Similarly, here is the characteristic of pure devotee. Characteristics. You test whether he's truthful. "He's not truthful, sir." Then he's not pure devotee. He's doing something... He promised before his spiritual master, before the Deity, before the fire, "No illicit sex," but he's having illicit sex. So how he is advanced? How he's advanced? He's not even truthful, the first qualification. He's unclean. Truthfulness. Saucam, means very clean. Very clean means... Just... We utter this mantra,
apavitrah pavitro va
sarvavastham gato 'pi va
yah smaret pundarikaksam
sa bahyabhyantara-sucih
Suci, saucam, suci.
So the devotee must be clean, inside and outside, both. Outside cleaning by taking bath, washing the body with oil or soap or soda, and inside, inside, materially, there will be no unclean things, stool, unnecessary stool. That means one must evacuate every morning and evening. If we eat more, then we have to evacuate twice. But if we eat less, then once evacuation is sufficient. It is said, yogi, bhogi, and rogi. Yogi means spiritually advanced, and bhogi means materialist, and rogi means diseased. It is a common saying. A yogi evacuates only once. That is yogi. And bhogi, because he eats more, so he evacuates twice. And one who evacuates more than twice, he's rogi, diseased. Yogi, bhogi, rogi. So everything has got routine work. saucam. So you'll feel healthy. If you have evacuated nicely, you have washed inside and outside, taken your bath, then you'll feel always refreshed. And unless you feel refreshed, you cannot very nicely chant Hare Krsna maha-mantra or serve Krsna. Therefore cleanliness is required. Apavitrah pavitro va. But... Apavitrah pavitro va sarvavastham gato 'pi va. If one takes to Krsna consciousness and follows the rules and regulations, then automatically he becomes clean, inside and outside. Automatically. Apavitrah pavitro va. What for we are accepting initiation? In any condition, in any condition we shall be purified by chanting Hare Krsna, ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12], if we chant really.
There are three stages of chanting. One chanting is with offense, beginning. There are ten kinds of offenses. We have described many times. If we chant with offense, that is the, that is one stage. If we chant offenseless, that is one stage. And if we chant pure... Offenseless is not yet pure. You're trying to make offenseless, but not yet offenseless. But when there is pure chanting, that is success. Nama, namabhasa, and suddha-nama. So our aim is... This was discussed. You'll find in Caitanya-caritamrta, discussion between Haridasa Thakura and a brahmana. So by chanting, we can come to the highest stage of perfection. In the beginning there may be offenses, but if we try to avoid the offenses, then it is namabhasa. Namabhasa means not actually pure name, but almost pure. Namabhasa, and suddha-nama. When one chants suddha-nama, name, holy name of God, then he is on the platform of loving platform with Krsna. That is the perfectional stage. And in namabhasa stage, not in pure, marginal, between pure and offensive, that is mukti. You become mukta, liberated from material bondage. And if we chant offensively, then we remain in the material world. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has said, namakara bahira haya nama nahi haya(?). It is mechanical, "Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna," but still it is not Hare Krsna. Namakara, nama bahira haya, namakara, nama nahi haya.
So we must be purely chanting. But we should not be disappointed. Even impure... Therefore we must have fixed chanting process. Because we are not in the pure stage. Therefore, by force... Just like a boy in the school. We had this training in our childhood school. Our teacher would ask me, "You write ten pages, handwriting." So that means practicing ten pages, my handwriting will be set up. So even if we do not follow sixteen rounds, where is the question of chanting Hare Krsna? So don't be artificial; don't be, I mean to say, a showbottle. Be real thing. And that is wanted. If you want real benefit of spiritual life, don't be showbottle. Do you know showbottle? The medical shop, a big bottle. It is full of water only. And color is red or blue or something like. But the real medicine does not require... (aside:) No, not now. Real medicine does not require a showbottle. A small... If one can chant purified offenseless, once krsna-nama, he is free from all material bondage. Once only. Eka krsna name yata papa haya, papi haya tata papa kari baro nahi(?).
So saucam. saucam means inward cleanliness and outward cleanliness. saucam. Inside, we should be pure, purely thinking, no contamination. We should not think anyone as my enemy. "Everyone is friend. I am... I am not pure; therefore I am thinking somebody as my enemy." There are so many symptoms. So saucam: one should be clean, inside and outside. Satyam saucam daya. That daya I already explained. Daya means to become compassionate to the fallen, one who has fallen, one who is in distress. So actually, the whole population at the present moment, they're fallen. Krsna says,
yada yada hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya
tadatmanam srjamy aham
[Bg. 4.7]
So at the present moment in the Kali, Kali-yuga, they are, practically they're all demons. All demons. So if Krsna... Of course, sometimes it will come that Krsna has to come here simply to kill the demons. That is Kalki avatara. That is described by Jayadeva Gosvami. What is that? Kesava dhrta-kalki-sarira jaya jagadisa hare. Kalau, dhumaketum iva kim api karalam, mleccha-nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavalam. Mleccha, the mleccha, this word, yavana, these... There are words in Vedic language, mleccha, yavana. Yavana means meat-eaters. Yavana. It does not mean only Europeans are yavana, and Americans, not, Indians are not yavana. No. Anyone who eats meat, he's a yavana. Yavana means meat-eater. And mleccha means unclean. One who does not follow Vedic principles, he's called mleccha. Just like... As the Muhammadans say, kafir. One who does not follow Muslim religion, they are called kafir. That is religious point of view. And the Christians say "heathens." One who does not follow Christian religion, they are called heathens. Is it not? Similarly, anyone who does not follow Vedic principle, he's called mleccha. So time will come when nobody will follow Vedic principles of life. Therefore, mleccha.
So mleccha-nivaha, when all the people will become mlecchas, nobody following the Vedic principles, mleccha-nivaha-nidhane, at that time there is no more preaching, simply killing. Nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavalam. In this age a very fearful, not feature, but action is very fearful. Mleccha-nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavalam dhumaketum iva. Just like now they are apprehending the appearance of a comet. So Krsna will appear just like a comet. Dhumaketum iva, dhumaketum iva, dhumaketum iva. Kalayasi karavalam. So that is the end of Kali-yuga, that people will be so mlecchacara, unclean habits, they, dull... Now they have already become, already become. They have no brain. Even big, big, so-called... [break]
...maha-vadanya, very munificent incarnation. Or magnanimous. Maha-vadanyavatara. Namo maha-vadanyaya krsna-prema... He is giving krsna-prema, love of Krsna. You... One cannot understand Krsna. It is so difficult.
To understand Krsna is not easy job. But Krsna in the form of Caitanya Mahaprabhu is so compassionate, not only He's giving Himself, Krsna, but He's giving krsna-prema, love of Krsna. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's avatara. Daya. Maha-vadanyavatara. So whatever Krsna consciousness movement is going forward, it is due to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's magnanimous compassion for the poor people suffering in this Kali-yuga. Otherwise, to become Krsna conscious is not very easy job, is not easy job. So those who are getting the chance of becoming Krsna conscious by the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they should not lose the opportunity. It will be suicidal. Don't fall down. It is very easy. Simply chanting by Hare Krsna mantra, not always, twenty-four hours, although Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommends, kirtaniyah sada harih [Cc. Adi 17.31], always chant. That is the principle. But we cannot do that because we are so much overwhelmed by the influence of Kali. So at least sixteen rounds. Don't miss this. Don't miss this. What is the difficulty, sixteen rounds? At most it will take two hours. You have got twenty-four hours. You want to sleep; all right, sleep, ten hours sleep. That is not recommended. Don't sleep more than six hours. But they want to sleep. They want to sleep twenty-four hours. That is their desire in Kali-yuga. But, no. Then you'll be wasting time. Minimize eating, sleeping, mating and defending. When it is nil, that is perfection.
Because these are bodily necessities. Eating, sleeping, mating, defending that is bodily necessities. But I am not this body. Dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram... [Bg. 2.13]. So that realization takes time. But when we are actually advancing in Krsna consciousness, we must know our duty. Sleeping not more than six hours. Utmost eight hours. Utmost, those who cannot control. But not ten hours, twelve hours, fifteen hours, no. Then what is the use of...? Somebody went to see one advanced devotee, and at nine o'clock he was sleeping. And he's advanced devotee. Eh? Is not that? So what is...? What kind of devotee he is? Devotee must rise early in the morning, by four o'clock. By five o'clock, he must finish his bathing and other things. Then he takes to chanting and so many... Twenty-four hours' business must be there. So sleeping is not good. The Gosvamis used to sleep only two hours. I also write at night book, and I also sleep, not more then three hours. But I take sometimes little, sleep more. Not like... I don't imitate the Gosvamis. That try to avoid. And avoid sleeping means if we eat less, then we'll avoid. Eating, sleeping. After eating, there is sleeping. So if we eat more, then more sleeping. If we eat less, then less sleeping. Eating, sleeping, mating. And mating should be avoided. That is a great stricture. Sex life should be minimized as far as possible. Therefore we have got this restriction, "No illicit sex." Sex life, we don't say... That you cannot do, nobody can do. Therefore sex life means married life, a little concession. A license, "All right, you take this license." But not illicit sex. Then you'll never be able.
So eating, sleeping, mating and defending. And defending, we are defending in so many ways, but still, war is there, and the onslaught of material nature... Your country is defending so nicely, but now the petrol is taken away. You cannot defend. Similarly, everything can be taken away at any moment. So depend on Krsna for defending, defenses. Avasya raksibe krsna. This is called surrender. Surrender, means... Krsna says that "You surrender unto Me," sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. Let us believe this, that "Krsna is asking to surrender. Let me surrender. He must protect me in danger." That is called surrender. "Now, I am surrendering to Krsna, but for my defense I'm making another arrangement." Then I have no faith in Krsna. If I believe in Krsna, then we must believe that Krsna will... Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami. Believe. Satyam saucam daya ksantih. Ksanti means toleration? What is that? Hm? See ksanti.
Pradyumna: (reads) "Self-control even if there is cause of anger."
Prabhupada: Yes, tolerate, yes. Ksanti. We should not be intolerant. Even somebody has done some wrong unto me, tapasvi. Ksama-rupa-tapasvinam. Tapasvi, those who are advancing in Krsna consciousness, undergoing tapasya, austerities, their first qualification is to forgive the offender. This is the qualification. Tapasvinam. Ksama-rupa-tapasvinam. Then tyaga. Tyaga means to give your energy for Krsna. Everyone is giving energy for his sense gratification. When we give our energy, Krsna... Pararthe prajna utsrjet(?). This is Canakya Pandita. Sannimitte varam tyago vinas emiyate sati. Sannmivitte varamm tyagah(?). Tyaga means to give in charity for others' benefit. That is called tyaga. So what is the best tyaga? When you give up everything... [break]
...such thing. You do your best, but depend, the result, on Krsna. That is wanted. If somebody comes to attack you, you must also attack. You first attack. But you should not think that "I am so powerful. I can gain victory over you." Depend on Krsna, do your best. Yudhyasva mam anusmara [Bg. 8.7]. This is our policy. When there is question of fight, we have to fight. Just like in Bombay, we fought, but the result, we depended on Krsna. We have come out victorious. There was no hope of getting that land. It was regular fight. The whole Bombay city became agitated. Yes, in Bombay. But we are victorious, because we depended on Krsna. I thought... Simply I prayed to Krsna, "My dear Lord, You are seated there on that place. If You are removed, then it will be suicidal. You must remain there." My only prayer was that "I don't care for this land, but You are seated there, I cannot tolerate this insult that You will be removed from there." So Krsna saved our face. He's still remaining there.
So we should be like that. We should fight to our best, but depend the result on Krsna. Don't try to take the credit for yourself. That is wanted.
Devotee (1): So, Srila Prabhupada, should devotees in ISKCON, should a certain section of devotees in ISKCON be trained as ksatriyas? Should they be specially trained?
Prabhupada: Well, a devotee is neither ksatriya, neither brahmana; he's servant of Krsna. That's all. These brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra, they are on the material platform. On the spiritual platform, there is no such distinction. Spiritual platform, the master and the servant. You remain a servant. If you have to act as ksatriya, act like that. If you act as a brahmana, act like that. If you... That is our superficial... A devotee's always servant of God. Whatever service is required, as a brahmana, as a ksatriya, as a vaisya, it doesn't matter. We are ready. It does not mean that because we are fighting, we become ksatriya. No. Sa gunan... These are the divisions of the three qualities. But a devotee's above... [break] ...all these things. Krsna's devotees are above all these things. You have to become a pure devotee, not a ksatriya, not a brahmana, not an all... That is not required. All right.
Devotee (2): You said that one mistake of the neophyte devotee is to think that he is suffering under some condition, some distress, and that it is due to the circumstances under which the distress occurred. And my question is, Can the change of one's service, can changing the type of service one's performing, can that help him to achieve the desired perfection in relationship with the spiritual master and Krsna?
Prabhupada: So what is the real proposal? I do not follow. Why don't you say frankly? This is... Why in a (laughs) jugglery way? State what is the fact?
Devotee (2): Well, like, if one is in a big temple, he's a cook in a big temple.
Prabhupada: Yes. In a big temple, the cooker and the man who is worshiping the Deity, and the man who is sweeping over, they're all one. There is no distinction. There is no such material dis... In the material world, if somebody's doing nice job, he is greater, and if somebody's not nice job, he's smaller. In spiritual world, there is no such distinction.
Devotee (2): So one is like that, in a comfortable situation...
Prabhupada: Comfortable situation is also sense gratification. Any situation, we shall have to serve Krsna. That is Krsna consciousness. Not that "If it is comfortable to me, I shall do it." That is sense gratification. That is sense gratification. That is not spiritual; that is material. "Comfortable or uncomfortable, it doesn't matter. If Krsna wants it, I must do it." That is wanted. That is wanted. As soon as I discriminate "This is comfortable, this is uncomfortable," that is material.
Devotee (3): Prabhupada, how can we know what type of service Krsna...
Prabhupada: Therefore you have got spiritual master. Why he is there? Therefore you have to accept spiritual master who will give you direction. You cannot do it. If you manufacture your own..., then go to hell. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau, tasyaite kathita hy arthah [SU 6.23]. Krsna is there; guru is there. Why should you manufacture your own way? If you are sincere, Krsna will dictate from within. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam [Bg. 10.10]. Find out this verse. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam, buddhi-yogam dadami tam.
Pradyumna: 10.10
Prabhupada: Krsna is ready to give you instruction. The spiritual master is ready. Why should you do at your whims, and do something wrong and go to hell? Yes?
"To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me."
Prabhupada: That's all. Krsna is within you. He'll give you. As soon as you become a pure devotee, all dictation will come from within. And besides that, Krsna is helping, inside and outside. Outside is spiritual master; inside Krsna Himself. Where is the difficulty? Simply you have to become sincere. That's all. Everything is there. But if we become cheaters, we do, say something before Krsna, before the spiritual master, before fire, and do something else, then there is no question of dictation from Krsna. You do your sat-san(?). Sva-karmana, by your own work, you suffer or enjoy. There is no enjoyment, simply suffering. That's all. Material world, there is no question of enjoyment. Simply we concoct, "This is enjoyment." This is not enjoyment. It is suffering.
Devotee (4): Srila Prabhupada, you spoke about the three stages of chanting? And you were speaking about the middle stage, the clearing stage? Is that... I didn't quite understand how that was explained. Is that like we're trying not to be offensive. It's offensive, but we're trying...
Prabhupada: No, you do not try to be offensive, but because your past habit, you become offensive. Therefore ten kinds of offenses should be avoided. That we speak and give in list when initiation. There should be... Ten kinds of offenses should be avoided. Guror avajna sruti-sastra-nindanam, samyam subha-kriya api pramadah, namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. These are things. The most offensive is that "Krsna... By chanting Hare Krsna mantra, I become sinless. So in the morning let me do, or in the, at night, let me do all sinful activities; in the morning I shall chant Hare Krsna, and it will, everything will be nullified." This is the greatest offense. Namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. "Because I am chanting, therefore I can do anything sinful. It will be counteracted." This is the greatest rascaldom, sinful activities. Yes. Namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. Papa-buddhih. Nama... By chanting Hare Krsna mantra we become immediately sinless. That's a fact. But why shall we commit again? Just like the Christian people, they go to the church, confession: "Sir, I did this, all these sinful activities last week." "All right, pay me something." Again, from Monday, beginning sinful activities; come on Sunday. These are not allowed. You can be excused, but don't do again. If you continue to do it, that is not very... Then you have to suffer. Once or twice, you may be excused. But if you continue to do that, you must be punished. Namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. (indistinct question by devotee) Yes, everything under the direction of the spiritual master. Why you are asking? (indistinct) You do not know these things? Why do you ask this question? It must be, according to the direction of the spiritual master. Why do you ask that question? Therefore, adau gurvasrayam. Whatever... [break] (end)

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