Prabhupada: ...for your kindly coming here and participating in the great Krsna consciousness movement. [break] ...in this meeting, the Commissioner of Income Tax...
Host: Sales tax.
Prabhupada: Sales tax, present here, and he has asked me (loud applause) one intelligent question, which I, I was just going to answer. So I shall try to answer, here in this meeting, what is the objective of this movement. This Krsna consciousness movement is a purificatory process. Consciousness is there, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, avinasi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idam tatam, there are two kinds of consciousness. One consciousness is limited, another consciousness is unlimited. The unlimited consciousness is there in God, and limited consciousness is there in you, in me, and of all living entities.
Host: (calls out for silence)
Prabhupada: Just like if I pinch your body, you feel pain. This is also consciousness, that somebody is pinching me. But if I pinch somebody else, you cannot feel it. Therefore, your consciousness or my consciousness is limited within this body. Similarly there is another consciousness which is Krsna's consciousness, or universal consciousness. If I pinch your body, He feels, that I am pinching somebody, as Paramatma. These things are explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, ksetra-ksetrajna, chapter (?). Ksetra means this body, and ksetra-jna means the knower of the body. Ksetra-jna, jna means knower. So, Krsna says that each and every body, there is a ksetra-jna. I know about the pains and pleasure of my body, you know the pains and pleasure of your body.
Host: (calls for silence)
Prabhupada: I think they cannot understand.
Host: (calls for silence and explains in local language that talk is in English among other things—break)
Prabhupada: Krsna says that ksetra-jnam capi mam viddhi sarva-ksetresu bharata [Bg. 13.3]. Just like I am present in my body. I know the pains and pleasure of my body, but Krsna, because He is present in everyone's body, isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61], He knows the pains and pleasure of all bodies. That is difference between Krsna and ourselves, or God and ourselves. This is the test. Somebody is claiming that "I am God." How you can be God? You cannot know the pains and pleasures of others, but Krsna knows. That is the difference between God and living entity. [break] So far consciousness is concerned, God is also conscious, we are also conscious, but our consciousness is limited and God's consciousness is unlimited. That is the difference.
Arjuna, when he was, he was taking instruction from Krsna, Krsna says that this yoga system I explained to the Sun-god. And Arjuna inquired, "How is that Krsna? Both You and me, we are born recently. How it is that You say that You explained to the Sun-god, long, long year, forty millions of years ago?" Krsna answered this point, "My dear Arjuna, you are My eternal friend. You are always with Me. When I instructed the Sun-god, you were also present, but you have forgotten. I do not forget." That is the difference between Krsna and Arjuna. Vedaham samatitani [Bg. 7.26]. Krsna knows everything. Whatever has happened in the past, whatever will happen in the future, and what is happening at the present, vedaham samatitani, but we do not know. First of all this is, we should understand this is the difference between God and the living entity. [break]
The jiva are explained in the Bhagavad-gita as part and parcel of Krsna. The example is given, just like the fire, big fire, and the sparks. The sparks are small, but, but in quality they are fire. They are not different from fire. If a spark of fire falls on your cloth, it will immediately burn. So the burning quality is there, either in the big fire or the small fire. Therefore, qualitatively we are one with God. The quality of burning. Another example is just like the drop of the ocean water. Chemical composition of this drop of ocean water is the same as the chemical combination of the big mass of water. So Krsna, He is all-powerful. We are also powerful. Krsna can create. We also can create. Krsna can create, just like innumerable planets floating in the air. We can create a small, teeny aeroplane or sputnik flying in the air. You see. So the creative power is there, but there is far difference between Krsna's creative power and my creative power. Krsna, in the Vedas it is said,
parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate
svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca
na tasya karyam karanam ca vidyate
na tat-samas cabhyadikas ca drsyate
[Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]
The difference between Krsna and me is this. That suppose, I am painting one nice flower. So I require the brush, I require the color, I require the intelligence, I require the time, so that somehow or other, in few days or in few months, I paint a very nice color fruit, flower or fruit. But Krsna's energy is so experienced that by working His energy, many millions of flowers, colorful flowers, come at once. The foolish scientists, they say that it is the work of the nature. No. Nature is instrumental. Behind nature there is brain of God, Krsna. That is Krsna consciousness. One who is Krsna conscious, he understands that this flower has not come blindly. These varieties of flowers, trees, and leaves, they are developing under direction of Krsna, but His direction is so powerful it comes at once, svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca. Just like a great scientist pushing on a button, electronics. Immediately something wonderful happens, but it is not that the machine is working, it is the scientist who is pushing on the button. Similarly, don't take, this is nonsense that nature is producing. No, nature cannot produce. Therefore Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita,
Mayadhyaksena, under My supervision the nature is working. Not blindly. This is not something ignorant. This is crude knowledge. Just like a child, he sees that aeroplane is running on the sky. He may think that the airplane is running automatically, by itself. No. The machine, without being touched by the pilot, cannot work. The machine may be perfect, very nice, but the pilot is required. So, at the present moment the civilization is trying to avoid God, the brain of God. That is foolishness. That is not fact. Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita,
So, the Krsna conscious person sees behind nature, the hand of God. That is Krsna consciousness. [break]
What is this world, manifestation. This is explained. Just like the fire is existing... Just like the sun, sun is an emblem of fire, and ninety-three millions of miles away it is situated, eka sthani sthitasya, but because it is fiery planet, its heat and light is expanded, and in that heat and light everything is being generated. Just like, we have got practical experience, in western countries where there is no sufficient heat and light, the trees and the flowers do not grow so luxuriously, because there is want of heat and light. And when there is snowfall, when there is no sunlight, everything, the trees become, without any leaf, dry, suska. So, as it is the cause of the different leaves and flowers and fruit, is the heat and light of the sun, similarly, Krsna has got two kinds of energies. That is also heat and light. That heat and light is spiritual energy and material energy. The material energy, not material energy, material energy is practically darkness, there is no light. The Vedic instruction is therefore that, don't keep yourself within this darkness, tamasi ma jyotir gamah. There is another sky. Just like in this sky, you will find it is darkness. Naturally it is darkness. Because there is darkness, therefore Krsna has created the sun. It is stated in the Brahma-samhita. It is said,
yac-caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam
raja samasta-sura-murtir asesa-tejah
yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakro
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
The scientists say that the sun is rotating in its orbit so carefully that if it moves from one side, the whole universe will be immediately turned into ice, and if it moves the other side, then immediately the whole universe will be ablaze. So carefully, yasya ajnaya bhramati. The scientists have seen so far that the sun is moving very carefully. Neither this side nor that side, exactly in the orbit. So who has ordered, who has planned this orbit? The Brahma-samhita informs, yasya-ajnaya, by whose order the sun is rotating exactly in the orbit, yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakro govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami. "I am offering..." He is not struck with wonder by the arrangement in the material world, how the sun is moving, how the moon is moving, how the nature is working. He knows that there is a brain, big brain, Krsna. Krsna also says,
aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
Anyone who has understood Krsna rightly, in truth, he is Krsna conscious, he is budha, he's actually in knowledge, bhava-samanvitah. Krsna is so great. Krsna's great power is so great. Generally people take Krsna very slightly. "Oh, Krsna danced with the gopis." They do not know what is Krsna. Therefore they go to hell by hearing from unauthorized sources, this Krsna's rasa-lila. They go to hell. We have to face so many questions sometimes, "Why Krsna did like this?" Because due to this professional Bhagavata readers, when they read Bhagavata, they immediately open the rasa-lila chapter. Because they have no other knowledge, they cannot explain. Bhagavata begins from the very beginning, janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas ca arthe [SB 1.1.1]. They have no brain to explain all these intricate verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, what is Krsna, janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. They jump over to the spiritual rasa-lila, and people misunderstand. Therefore Krsna says
One has to understand Krsna in truth, then his Krsna consciousness will help him how to become budha bhava-samanvitah. Then he'll be fully engaged in Krsna consciousness. One who knows..., but how one can know, understand, this Krsna consciousness in truth, that is stated by Krsna.
na socati na kanksati
samah sarvesu bhutesu
mad-bhaktim labhate param
After Brahman realization, after being freed from this material contamination, when one becomes actually happy, prasannatma, na socati na kanksati, no anxiety, at that time, samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param. And He especially mentions,
bhaktya mam abhijanati
yavan yas casmi tattvatah
tato mam tattvato jnatva
If one tries to understand Krsna, as He is, not by fiction, not by speculation, not by so-called scholarly, foolish commentation, but Krsna should be understood as He is. Then, that is right Krsna consciousness, and then one will be able to understand how Krsna is working, how the whole world, material atmosphere, and material, cosmic manifestation is working. Then you will understand. Krsna says, mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [Bg. 9.10], under my supervision. To understand Krsna, and anyone who understands Krsna, scientifically, then he, Krsna says, janma karma me divyam yo janati tattvatah. Not the foolish man, the intelligent man, who knows Krsna actually, then the result is tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. Immediately he becomes liberated. So after giving up this body, he never, no more comes back to accept another, this material body. He goes back to home, back to Godhead. [break]
This living entity, part and parcel of Krsna, how he has got this condition of material life? That can be explained in this way. Just like this fire spark. As long as it is in the fire, it is also just like fire, glowing, glowing. Only it is spark, it is glowing. But, if it falls down from the fire, then immediately it becomes extinguished. The glowing quality becomes extinguished, and there are three kinds of different position of the living entity according to the quality of this material nature he associates. Karanam guna-sangah asya sad-asad-janma-yonisu. The living entity is the same, but when he comes into this material world, he associates with three kinds of material qualities, sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. So one who is in sattva-guna, brahminical qualification, actually, catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. One who has got the brahminical qualities by work and actually in life, satya, sama, dama, titiksa, arjavam, jnanam-vijnanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.42]. So he can understand. Brahma janati iti brahmanah, he can understand, so how, what is my relationship with the Supreme Lord. So similarly, one who is in the rajo-guna, the example is given. There is a spark. When it falls down on dry grass, the dry grass becomes blazing. Although the spark is fallen, it causes the atmosphere lighten(?). And if the spark falls on the wet ground, then it is, the sparking, the glowing quality may remain for sometime, but it will be extinguished. And if it falls down on the water, it is extinguished. Similarly, when the living entity comes to this material world, if by chance he is in the association of the goodness, he keeps God consciousness. And if he is in the association of passion, he is materially busy. And if he associates with the quality of ignorance, he becomes animals or animal-like man. So this Krsna consciousness movement is giving everyone the chance of to become again (indistinct) by association of Krsna. The same spark, that extinguished charcoal, or karma, if you put into the fire, it will be again light. Similarly this Krsna consciousness movement is trying to bring forth again the dormant Krsna consciousness in every living entity.
We are just trying to revive it, uttisthata jagrata prapya varan nibhodata. We are trying to awaken the human society to come to the Krsna consciousness movement and live this life successfully. That is the Krsna consciousness movement.
Thank you very much. (end)
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