Room Conversation – October 3, 1977, Vṛndāvana

[Conversation between kaviraja and Prabhupada as kaviraja examines Prabhupada, with comments by Bhagatji.]

[Sac-cid-ananda whispers what kaviraja has said.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Is there any trouble in the heart? Any pain in the chest? Hmm. So much weakness. Very weak.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Can't eat anything.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. How can you eat? They made it worse. I heard you had a surgery there somewhere? Did you have?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes, the doctor said so, because urine was getting obstructed.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. There was no problem in urine. That is natural in old age. There was no stone or anything. There was no need for that. It was a mistake. It has harmed you.]

Prabhupada: Hun?

Kaviraja: [Transl. There was no defect in the urine. I resently treated a patient named Satya who had a similar problem. He also had Dropsy, but he became cured. There was no need for any surgery. Simply useless.The condition deteriorated further. Things didn't improve. Too weak. Nothing else.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Feel my pulse?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Pulse rate shows weakness and nothing else. Weakness, only weakness.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hmm. By feeling the pulse you can tell how long a person will live.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is not applicable to you. Your duration of life was over long ago. I had told you that your duration of life has finished. Now you are living simply by the power of bhajana. [laughs] No one can predict.Your pulse indicates overall weakness. There is excessive air in the body, hence there is no appetite.

Don't feel like eating. Do not move about too much, as you are very weak. Your heart is very weak. There is no other disturbance, only weakness. No other problem, only weakness. There was no need to go to foreign country at this age and undergo operation. It is useless. If there is stone or complete stoppage of urination or any other similar disease then it can be cured by operation.

But he had no such problem or defect. His condition has become worse. First of all there is lack of blood, and now this. The sweeling is again there like before. So now let us arrange for medicine. Ayurvedic medicine. The treatment will be like before, but very, very slowly. Can't say what will happen. As I prescribed before, yes like last year, in the same way medicines will go on. But now he has become weaker. Before he was not as weak as he is now. Very weak.

That's why any moment the heart may, due to excessive weakness the blood has turned into water. This is the point, nothing else. Take shelter of Govinda. Do not move much. And about diet, before his diet was good. 500 grams milk, fruit juice etc. Now he is not taking anything so how will the body survive? That is the worry. I will give medicine to strengthen your heart so that the sweeling will reduce. Now do you get sleep at night?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Some day I get, some day I don't get.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Do you feel thirsty for water?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Not at all.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is good. To not have thirst for water is good. Take milk little little. Even by force, 2/3 spoonfulls. Milk is your diet. Fruit juice you can take. Milk is your main diet. Milk mixed with sugar candy.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Juice of what fruits?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Fruit juice, what fruits are available now? Pomeogranate juice, but give in small quantity, because after all it is Dropsy. Make milk as his prime diet.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Can we give milk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Only milk, cow milk mixed with sugar candy. Give little by little just like you give medicine. You give him like that again and again.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Milk I have got.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You have, that's good. Milk is the main food. Milk is his main diet. If he can digest 500 grams of milk then there is nothing to worry. This is the main point. Milk is his only life. And another thing you do is you make a fire with cowdung cake in a furnace and give hot fomentation by a piece of blanket or woolen cloth.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Here?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Here, there, everywhere. Keep the windows open so that air can pass. Otherwise the whole room will be dark. Give me a pen and a piece of paper. Pen and paper. I write a prescription. Do not move much, very carefully. There is no other problem, only weakness. Whatever blood was there, that has turned into water.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Very weak. Within one month…]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is what I was telling him. At this age, he should not have gone out of Vrndavana. Anyway, it is my great pleasure that you have returned to Vrndavana by the mercy of Radharani. Everyone has to give up his body one day for sure. But may we leave our bodies in braja. Jaya ho. I think nobody can read Bengali here?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes, there is.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Tapomaya is there, Prabhasa is there, Saccidananda is there.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay. Today's date is…]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Today is 3rd.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. 3/9.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. No, 10.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. 3/10.]

[Indistinct discussion among devotees]

Tamala Krsna: But then that creates mucus. Srila Prabhupada? One problem is that that milk, drinking milk, creates mucus.

Bhagatji: [Transl. By drinking milk mucus is produced more.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. You are saying drink milk, but Maharaja is saying that by drinking milk more mucus is produced.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Do you feel pain in the chest? Some discomfort or sound like ghar r r ghar r r?]

Prabhupada: Cough.

Kaviraja: [Transl. There is cough.]

Tamala Krsna: And then when he coughs he cannot sleep.

Bhagatji: [Transl. And when there is more cough he cannot sleep.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Side by side there will be some medicine for counteracting cough.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What diet other than milk?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Some milk preparation may be given.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk you will have to take. Take cow milk, add some sugar candy and a little ginger paste in it. Thin milk and not thick milk you boil along with some crushed ginger. It should be half milk half water, boil it with ginger and add little sugar candy. Give him this warm. There is treatment for cough, air etc. This body is made of mucus, bile and air. All this sweeling is due to mucus and air. In old age everyone gets cough.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What if I eat some milk preparation, then what will happen?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What would you mix with the milk?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Some milk powder and something can be added to it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. How can you avoid the action of milk? Milk powder has been produced from milk only. The qualities of milk are also there in the milk powder. It didn't surpass. Milk is light. Boil the milk with little ginger and add some water and take. You will have clear motion and clear urine. There is no need to worry about mucus, I am giving medicine for counteracting mucus. Medicine for mucus will be there. I have prescribed mukta sukti which is meant for cough. This medicine I have given before also. If there is mucus then there will be pain in the chest. In this age having cough is normal. I will give medicine for cough so that it doesn't accumulate, rather it should go out.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Instead of pure fresh milk, will...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Powder milk?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Powdered milk be digested?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk powder is nothing but pure milk. I can't say it's response. Milk will not be harmful to you. The way I explained to you, if you follow then there will be no difficulty. You take these medicines in a free mind. If there is any problem I am there to take care of it. I am careful about your health. I am writing 3 or 4 medicines to clear out the mucus. Your treatment is mainly for mucus and air disorder. Milk is your only diet. Milk powder is also milk. The constituents of the milk are also present in milk powder. So it will surely produce cough. Milk will become light if you mix ginger and water in it. When it is light it will clear urine also. There is no need to worry about motion, but urine should be clear and regular.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. By drinking that kind of milk urine will become clear?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The main cause to have clear urine is milk.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Then what about our own cow milk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Take milk from your own cow. No adulterated milk. It should be pure cow milk. Don't worry, you use equal quantity of milk and water and boil it. And take at night.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. So no powder milk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, that is heavy, not light.]

Tamala Krsna: [to Bhagatji:] Can you explain what he said?

Bhagatji: Prabhupada asked him, "Can I take powdered milk?" He said, "No." Only pure cow's milk will cure him, and that cough coming, that will cure his... That cure is there.

Prabhupada: So that pure cow's milk... [we should add ginger in it]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Crush some ginger and add in the milk.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Ginger should be added before boiling or after boiling?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Before boiling. Boil the milk for some time.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Then we should strain it?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, you strain it. Little warm milk with some sugar candy.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. ...proportion...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk and water should be boiled together with crushed ginger.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. As much milk, as much water]

Kaviraja: [Transl. And you boil it.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. And how much ginger?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Supoose you take half liter of milk, you put about 50 grams of ginger in it.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. If the milk is taken out in the morning, can that milk be used in the morning, noon and night?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, there is no harm. Just heat it up and give in the evening.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. We will boil one time and keep. Then we will heat up again and use it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. There is no harm. Milk will not cause any harm. Milk will cause harm only if it produces mucus in the chest. For that I am giving separate medicine. When mucus comes out, all the disease comes out.]

Bhagatji: When the cough comes out, it will take out all the disease.

Tamala Krsna: Cough. One trouble is that the cough stops sleeping. When Prabhupada's coughing, he cannot sleep properly.

Bhagatji: [Transl. Cannot sleep]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Because of cough. I will give medicine for reducing the cough. So that there is no disturbance in the sleep I will arrange appropriate medicine.]

Tamala Krsna: He wants you to cough more, Srila Prabhupada.

Kaviraja: [Transl. I will prescribe some medicine so that your sleep is not disturbed. Cough will be reduced. [Prabhupada coughs] Like this he coughs no? I will try my best not to stop this coughing. This is dangerous. Any milk preparation he takes, there will be cough. How can you avoid the nature of the milk? Therefore take milk in small quantity. You can take barley also. Take milk mixed with barley.]

Bhagatji: He said cough should come out.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Either] Barley, Horlicks.

Prabhupada: [Transl. That is like Horlicks.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That is like Horlicks.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That powder? We recommend patients Horlicks as diet. There is no problem with that. That's like a tonic. Horlicks tonic. You can give Horlicks instead of milk. It is lighter than milk.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. So you write it down. Twice.] Horlicks tonic.

Tamala Krsna: Tonic.

Prabhupada: [Transl. He is recommending Horlicks. That one is also like Horlicks.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is a milk preparation.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. The one I am talking about.] What is the name?

Tamala Krsna: Complan.

Kaviraja: Accha. Complan.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Complan.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Oh yes. Complan I know. You can take Complan. Complan is good.]

Tamala Krsna: That's good, right?

Kaviraja: [Transl. I take Complan every day. That's a tonic. That you can take.] Complan. Best.

Tamala Krsna: We brought it from London. Best, he says.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Complan. Best.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Should we add some ginger in it?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No need to add anything, no need to add anything in Complan.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No need of anything else?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Okay. Then there is Complan.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Complan is good. I take Complan.]

Tamala Krsna: What about milk? He wants you to take milk also with the Complan?

Prabhupada: No, no. Let us take the Complan only.

Bhagatji: [Transl. No milk?]

Kaviraja: No milk.

Bhagatji: [Transl. So no milk at all during the day?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. At least once a day you have to give him milk. At least once. It increases vitality. Milk enhances life.]

Bhagatji: He says it is a very nourishing diet. Milk should be given also.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk is like nectar for a dying person. You should give one time.]

Bhagatji: It is nectar, he said.

Tamala Krsna: But it's nectar when you can digest it. You can digest it.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give him at least once a day. Give him milk in the day time and not at night. For cough I have prescribed 2/3 types of medicine.]

Bhagatji: We can see how his medicine works.

Tamala Krsna: We can try it, Srila Prabhupada. The kaviraja seems to think that by coughing and having the cough come out, it's not bad. He says it will bring out impurities in the body. It seems to me you don't like to cough, because it disturbs your sleep. From what I understand from what Bhagatji has translated...

Prabhupada: Complan he recommended.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. He recommends that. Anything for the swelling, did he say, Srila Prabhupada?

Bhagatji: That powder. That is same treatment.

Tamala Krsna: Powders. Is that all right, Srila Prabhupada?

Bhagatji: ...and they all should be covered with some woolen cloth. Should not be exposed.

Tamala Krsna: That's hot, too hot, though. Srila Prabhupada? You want us to give you powders again for taking the swelling? Hands and...?

Bhagatji: He said nothing is wrong. Only weakness.

Tamala Krsna: He said nothing is wrong, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: On that I understand. But weakness is...

Tamala Krsna: Too much weakness. Now we're getting hopeful again, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Who else is here?]

Tamala Krsna: Is there any adrak [ginger]? Is that what Prabhupada asked? You asked for adrak, Prabhupada? Srila Prabhupada, one of your sannyasi preachers has just arrived, Hamsadūta Swami.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Morning and evening medicine no. 1. with Bael leaves juice, Ginger juice, Punarnava Juice and Sora [Nitre, Saltpetre] Honey morning and evening. No. 2 medicine to be taken at 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. with honey and large cardamom. This medicine you have to take 10 o'clock in the morning. This will cure heart trouble and mucus cannot accumulate in the chest. And no. 3 medicine is at noon and night after meal. Whatever diet you take whether Complan or anything else, after that you take this no. 3 medicine with Kalanchoe leaves juice and honey. Kalanchoe leaves you don't know? Where is Saccidananda? Call one of them. Either Prabhasa or Saccidananda. Saccidananda is better. He can understand. And your no. 4 medicine should be taken with …]

Prabhupada: Call Sac-cid-ananda.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, we're just calling for him.

Kaviraja: [Transl. …Justicia ganderussa leaves juice and sugar candy. Basaka leaves? Arusa? Arusa?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. I have not heard it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No? Piya basaka?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes. Piya basaka I have heard.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Arusa. Arusa.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Piya basaka I know.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He knows basaka. Oh come here. [explaining to Saccidananda:] So I have given four kinds of medicines. Now understand the medicines. They are all in serial numbers 1, 2, 3, 4. The medicine no 1 should be taken morning and evening with Bael leaves juice, ginger juice. Don't put ginger juice more than 10 drops. So 10 drops ginger juice, Punarnava juice and sora honey. You put about one ana or 4 rati or one gram of sora. Mix all these with no 1 medicine and give him morning and evening. After this, at 10 A.M. you give the no. 2 medicine with honey and large cardamom. Take 4/5 large cardamom seeds, smash them and mix with honey. He can take it by licking or as he likes. The no. 3 medicine he should take at midday and night after meal. After meal he will take this with Kalanchoe leaves juice. Is Kalanchoe available here?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Yes. I know. So many.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You mix the no. 3 medicine with that juice and honey and give him two times after meal. This will keep his bowel and urine clear all the time. And the no. 4 medicine is mainly for cough. Cough is accumulating. So this will stop it. You bake basaka leaves first in the fire and make juice out of it and give him two spoonfuls with sugar candy.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Do you recognize basaka leaves?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Yes I know very well.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. If you don't find here, you can take from me. There are plenty of those all over the place.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Basaka plant grows everywhere.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Basaka leaves juice two spoonfuls. Heat it up a little, mix it with the medicine and give him with little sugar candy powder. He can lick it and then drink a little warm water.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Did you mention the timings?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Everything is written there. Medicine 1, morning and evening. Medicine 2, 10 A.M. and 4 P.M. Medicine 3, after meals day and night. And medicine 4, is at 8 P.M. at night. Do not change or skip any medicine. The patient must take medicines as I have prescribed. Also keep me informed about his condition. At least once a day you must inform me.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Did you understand everything properly, Saccidananda?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Yes. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He knows.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. If there is any doubt then ask him.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. There is no need to ask.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Do you recognize basaka leaves?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. I know.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So many basaka plants are here. Inform me one or two times a day.]

Bhagatji: He wants that "Once a day, two times I should be informed the condition."

Tamala Krsna: Twice a day. Okay. What times?

Bhagatji: [Transl. What time?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. According to the patient's condition about 4 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon. Otherwise anytime you can inform me.]

Bhagatji: At five o'clock in the evening.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Once a day only?

Bhagatji: [Transl. Twice a day or once a day?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Once a day. According to the condition of the patient. If there is any emergency you let me know.]

Bhagatji: Once only. [translating:] "What is the change after the medicine, I want to know."

Kaviraja: [Transl. Don't take head bath. For you bath is prohibited.]

Tamala Krsna: No bath.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Not at all. Use a wet gamcha to wipe the body. Put little cool water in the head. You bathe like this. Then wipe your body with a dry gamcha not wet gamcha.]

Bhagatji: By the towel.

Tamala Krsna: Towel bath.

Kaviraja: [Transl. With a dry gamcha like this.] [demonstrates rubbing to clean]

Prabhupada: Dry.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, in the body. Whole body with a dry gamcha.]

Tamala Krsna: Dry. With a damp gamcha?

Bhagatji: [Transl. Wet gamcha]

Kaviraja: Dry.

Tamala Krsna: Dry gamcha.

Kaviraja: [Transl. In these pores in the body oxygen passes. By rubbing like this with a dry gamcha the pores will remain clean.]

Tamala Krsna: How to make the body clean without water?

Bhagatji: [Transl. Without water….]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Without water, with a dry gamcha.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. How to keep the body clean?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. With dry gamcha it will be clean.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. With dry gamcha it will be clean?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. There will be powder. How will it be removed?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. It will be done. If at all needed you can use hot water. Wet the gamcha in hot water once a while and use it.]

Bhagatji: Hot water. Take out all water and...

Tamala Krsna: After putting the powder?

Kaviraja: [Transl. After every one or two days.]

Bhagatji: After putting the powder. Get hot water.

Kaviraja: [Transl. And in the head, whenever you want you can put water and wash. You have to put water on the head, otherwise there will be problem. May be during the day, according to the condition of the patient. Either put water on the head or rub it with a wet gamcha dipped and wrung in cool water.]

Bhagatji: What about cool water on the head?

Kaviraja: [Transl. This is because all your blood has transformed into water. There is nothing left in the body. There is nothing left in the body. Only the life air is palpitating. There is no strength in the body. If he catches cold immediately there will be Dropsy. Sweeling is already there. The season is bad. It's getting cold. The season is changing. Be extra careful in this season. It is better not to take full bath. You can put little water on the head. There will be no problem. If there is any problem to pour water on the head then dip the gamcha in warm water and wipe the whole body slowly. Take it easy. Move very slowly. Do not move so much as it may be harmful. Let me treat you at least for one week now. The weather is also changing. After the foreign tour the health has become more complicated because of different climatic condition there and here. This has created a poisonous effect in the body. Do you understand? Slowly and gradually things will come back to normalcy. This is the fact. There is no blood in the body. When medicines will start to act in his body then slowly everything will improve.]

Tamala Krsna: What about drinking grape juice?

Kaviraja: [Transl. You have to be very careful at least for one week.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. What kind of fruit juice should we give him? Grape juice?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Grape juice, fruit Juice in this condition, since there is swelling, anyway give him little by mixing with honey.] Pure honey. Little grape juice with honey.

Bhagatji: Some honey mixed.

Tamala Krsna: We use misri water.

Kaviraja: No. Pure honey.

Bhagatji: In the grape juice mix some honey.

Tamala Krsna: Honey, not misri.

Kaviraja: No. Pure honey. [Transl. Pomeogranate juice, Grape juice mixed with honey.]

Bhagatji: Pomegranate.

Tamala Krsna: Pomegranate juice.

Bhagatji: And pineapple?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Not now.]

Tamala Krsna: Pomegranate and grape. Any others?

Bhagatji: Mosambi?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Mosambi No.]

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada doesn't like it. But grape and pomegranate.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give Munakka or large raisins or Kismis or ordinary raisins. Smash them nicely, add little honey and let him lick. That will be very beneficial.]

Tamala Krsna: We were doing that in the morning. Honey and adrak. Raisins and what?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Dry grape.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Munakka. Big one? I don't know what you call In English.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Munakka means grape.] Big. [Grape.] Dry. [Kismis.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Kismis are the small ones.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. They are same. Some are big size and some are small size.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. No, no. Kismis is small and Munakka is large.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Munakka is of two kinds, big and small. The big one is called Gostani Draksa.]

Tamala Krsna: What do you do with that powder bath?

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is little heavy. The small ones are good for you. Take 5/6 of them smashed and mixed with honey. You simply lick it. It will keep your heart strong and would not let your tongue dry. Your mouth will remain moistened all the time. You understand? This is the great remedy and a tonic also. You mix it together and must take that. This will bring taste to your mouth. You will develop appetite gradually. Do as I say. Remain extra careful. Of diet, you take Complan. And milk you have to take once a day the way I have said. Boil the milk with ginger and take it at least once a day.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Once a day. At noon or at night?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You can give him in the morning or noon time, but not at night.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Not at night?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. At night only complain.]

Bhagatji: Either morning or afternoon.

Tamala Krsna: He can take after bathing, after morning. He brushes his teeth, and then...

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is all. Now you are at lotus feet of Radharani. This is my prayer. What more can I say.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I will be relieved if I can go.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That is not according to your desire or my desire. His desire. When He calls you then only you can go. There should be seat available there also. [laughs] To Bhagatji: It is good to go there. But there should be a vacancy there. We have to get a seat. The seat is not yet available. When the seat is ready then nobody can stop.] [laughter]

Sunena karo anunaya, cale yaya saja sayya tyeje / e-maya prapancamaya bhavera rahgamanca majhe. The living entity does not pay any attention to any amount of solicitation. He leaves behind all wealth and opulence and goes away to the theater stage of the illusory material world. This material world, who knows what happens when? What drama the Supreme Lord makes us play? When does He call where? When your spot is ready, He will immediately take you there. You will go and fill in the blank. kirtir yasya sa jivati: "One who leaves a good reputation behind him lives forever." [Canakya Panḍita]

For you life and death are one and the same. That is for the body only. This body is just like a cage. vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya-As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones. [Bg 2.22]) There is nothing to worry about it. [laughs] Giving up the old dress and putting on a new one. There is nothing to worry. Well, actually I came to give medicine...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Does he prohibit me to take darsana of the Deities?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Today I won't be able to take darsana. I pay my obeisances to the Lord from here. Now I have to…]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, For me.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Darsana of the Deities? I will not stop you to take darsana of the Lord.]

Tamala Krsna: We'll carry Prabhupada downstairs.

Kaviraja: [Transl. You should take darsana. Who can stop darsana of the Lord? There is no harm in your taking darsana of the Deities.]

Bhagatji: He says it's all right for Prabhupada to take darsana of the Deities.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Give me a plain paper. I don't have everything here with me. I didn't bring. You have to go with me .you come with me. The medicines which I will give him are not with me here.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Here is the paper.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No need of any paper now. I will make the prescription in the Dispensary. There I will have to mix the medicines. It's not one medicine.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. You go. I will understand everything later in Hindi.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Take as many papers as you want.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I don't need. In the Dispensary I will have to mix different medicines and prepare them. At least I will give you one day's medicine quickly. I will have to go back and make offering to my Deity Rasika. I didn't even drink water as yet. Your people went and I somehow finished my Deity worship and came. I didn't sleep last night. Prabhasa told me last night that Prabhupada's condition is not good at all, so you will have to come. I was also worried about you.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. When will you visit again?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Who? Me? Where?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes. Here. When will you come?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Whenever is required I will come.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. When do you have to come?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I have to give medicine.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. We want that you come here one time every day.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Daily one time? No problem.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Daily one time.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No problem. No problem.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. He will come once daily.]

Tamala Krsna: Once a day. Very good. What time?

Bhagatji: [Transl. What time is suitable for you?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That you see.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. 9 o'clock is good.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. 9 o'clock?]

Tamala Krsna: Whatever he says will be all right.

Prabhupada: No, no. [Transl. According to your convenience.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. What time is convenient to you?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This time there is a war. From 4 A.M to 10 A.M. there is a war about my Deity worship. And nothing else. From the Dispensary I go at noon time and make offering to my Lord Rasika. At about 3 P.M. I take Prasad. This is the problem. I will try to come here in the morning time. 9 o' clock.]

Bhagatji: In the afternoon.

Tamala Krsna: In the afternoon.

Kaviraja: [Transl. I will try to finish my worship as early as possible and come. You will go this time tomorrow? You will go at 9 o clock? At about 10 o clock I will come.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Tomorrow?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. I will come before 10 o'clock.]

Bhagatji: After nine. Between nine and ten he'll come.

Tamala Krsna: Every day. So we'll send a car to [indistinct]. Nine o'clock on.

Bhagatji: [Transl. Tomorrow?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Any day, you just come at that time. Today I have seen him. But I won't be able to come by Ricksaw. I have some trouble here.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. No. No. We have a car.]

Tamala Krsna: No. No Ricksaw.

Kaviraja: [Transl. So much jerking.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. You will get a car.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That's why I don't go for darsana of Govindaji. I don't go for Govinda darsana.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. We have a car for your service. Not one, we have got a few cars.]

Tamala Krsna: So he will take darsana of the Deities now. You will come also?

Bhagatji: [Transl. Now will you go with Srila Prabhupada to take darsana of Krsna Balarama?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Now? Will you go?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Yes.]

Tamala Krsna: Now is the time.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Will you go? Okay. Let us go now and have darsana of the Deities. Taking darsana of the Lord with an exalted personality.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Jaya.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Jaya Govinda. Let us go. I cannot wait any longer as I have got to prepare your medicine.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Jaya ho.] [break]

Tamala Krsna: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: The kaviraja said that my life is finished; now by the grace of Krsna. So under the circumstances, whatever medicinal instruction he gives, strictly follow properly.

Tamala Krsna: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: So you cannot understand Bengali. Bhagatji can understand...

Tamala Krsna: Hindi.

Prabhupada: Hindi, also Bengali. Sac-cid-ananda also.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, but neither of them are like Bhakti-caru was.

Prabhupada: So call him.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. That's what I'm going to do, because the difference is this: Sac-cid-ananda is a little scatterbrained. He's scatterbrained; he's not very clear-headed. And Bhagatji has so many ideas. But Bhakti-caru is smart. Bhakti-caru speaks Bengali and he's smart.

Prabhupada: And Hindi also.

Tamala Krsna: And Hindi. Bhagatji just has too many ideas. Just like Bhagatji's big idea is "I have to give Prabhupada fresh cow's milk from my cows." He's thinking, Bhagatji... His thing is he's thinking already, "I want to give Prabhupada milk, cow's milk." But someone should be here who doesn't want anything except to take the kaviraja's instructions. I get afraid about Bhagatji like that.

Prabhupada: No. Kaviraja also said, but with...

Tamala Krsna: Adrak.

Prabhupada: Adrak.

Tamala Krsna: But only once.

Prabhupada: Yes. And at night, Complan.

Tamala Krsna: He said you can take Complan, I think, more than once, if you want.

Prabhupada: No, he's coming. Ask him then. The best thing will be... Call him immediately.

Tamala Krsna: Bhakti-caru. All right. I think so also. And he would want to be here. I have no... None of us have any problem working cooperatively. It's just that I don't want to see someone be given this responsibility who's not qualified, like Sac-cid-ananda. I don't want to trust you to his care, Sac-cid-ananda's care. That would be very bad on our part. And Bhagatji's just... He just... I don't know how to explain it, but he's, er... I'd rather it be Bhakti-caru.

Prabhupada: No. All of them can cooperate. Anyway, call him.

Tamala Krsna: All right. What does the kaviraja say about your chances, Srila Prabhupada? What does he say about your chances of surviving? [Prabhupada coughs] How can you drink milk when the cough is like this? I cannot understand how they can recommend milk.

Prabhupada: No, that counteracts any...

Tamala Krsna: Ada.

Prabhupada: He is giving medicine for that.

Tamala Krsna: Hmm. I couldn't follow anything. It was all in Bengali. [Prabhupada coughs up mucus]

Prabhupada: So far that... He said that "Life is finished, and you are simply still living by the grace of Krsna. And there is still life. Let us try it." Now he is coming, and ask him daily what...

Tamala Krsna: Yes. He speaks English. He spoke with me in English. I think he speaks some English, the kaviraja, a little bit. He's a little... So you feel a little hopeful?

Prabhupada: Eh. For me, either live or die, I don't mind. But if you are trying for my life, try it very seriously. That is my formula. No negligence. Whatever he advises, that is good.

Tamala Krsna: It's good if you can try and make the cough come out, that mucus. You have to give a little extra exertion, I think, to get it out. Is that the bedsore, Srila Prabhupada?

[indistinct whispering between Tamala Krsna and Hari-sauri-"We have expectorant"] [pause]

Whoever does this medicine with the kaviraja should be intelligent person. That's all I'm saying. As you said to me, "Don't be negligent." Of course, Your Divine Grace knows me very well, so you called me to tell me that I should cooperate. But my cooperation is immediately there when I see someone is intelligent enough to do it. So Bhakti-caru is fit for that.

Prabhupada: So call him immediately.

Tamala Krsna: All right. He said you're living by the grace of Krsna. That means it's a miracle that you're alive.

Prabhupada: I tell him...

Tamala Krsna: In Bombay you appeared to be very hopeless for living. Now that you're in Vrndavana, I think you will become more hopeful.

Prabhupada: That kaviraja was also hopeless.

Tamala Krsna: Which one?

Prabhupada: Bombay.

Tamala Krsna: [laughs] [aside to Hari-sauri] That Bombay kaviraja was also hopeless.

Hari-sauri: Today's was as well?

Tamala Krsna: No, no. That Bombay kaviraja was a businessman. He had a Seiko watch on, special Cross pen, pan in the mouth. He was a paka baniya. [Prabhupada coughs up mucus] This man appears to be a genuine kaviraja.

Prabhupada: I think so. So are you sending him telegram?

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I'll do that right now.

Prabhupada: Where is Hamsadūta?

Tamala Krsna: You want to see him?

Prabhupada: I'll sit down.

Tamala Krsna: You'll sit up? [break] Should I read it, Srila Prabhupada? "The battle royale over the existence of God as creator of life pursued relentlessly by the Hare Krsna movement and debunked with equal disbelief to match by the president of the Rationalist Association has fizzled out. Dr. Abraham Kovoor's long-standing challenge, backed with an offer of Rs. 100,000 to anyone who could provide proof of the divine creation of life, was taken up by Hamsadūta Swami of the Hare Krsna movement. The Swami increased the offer made by Dr. Kovoor to one million rupees in foreign exchange if he could produce life-a mosquito or a mouse-from inert chemicals to prove his contention that life originated from chance biochemical combinations. The rationalist doctor has now put the ball in the Krsna court. He counters the challenge, calling upon the God-believers to demonstrate before the public that God is the creator of life and to prove it with the creation of one." What a nonsense rascal. That's the whole article, Srila Prabhupada.

Hamsadūta: We revived after the riots and trouble in Sri Lanka. We again issued notice that we would revive the challenge for the 26th of last month. And when our devotee went to Kovoor to hand him..., to give him the notice, Dr. Kovoor was laid up in bed, and he informed our man that he had cancer and that he expected to die within the next two months or so. And so we didn't hold our program.

Tamala Krsna: Oh, you didn't hold it.

Hamsadūta: No, we didn't hold it. I also came down with malaria, and the press, because of the intermittent trouble, they sort of lost the momentum. They didn't publicize it enough, so we just... But the public has got the idea.

Tamala Krsna: That the guy's a phony.

Hamsadūta: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: He must be very embarrassed, Kovoor.

Hamsadūta: Well, the public has now really relished the whole situation. But it seemed to me afterwards that this same technique could be applied in any university or anywhere where such a man is propagating this idea. As soon as you find one out, then make a public announcement that a program will be conducted, he's invited, and such-and-such amount of money would be offered if he can substantiate his idea of inert chemicals being the origin of life. Because I saw that the public interest became very keen, especially when they saw there was such a huge reward being offered to substantiate such a widely accepted scientific idea.

Prabhupada: Yes, it is a challenge to the, all these Nobel Prize-winner scientists. [chuckles] So our position is better. Hmm?

Hamsadūta: Oh, yes. The new government there, they pride themselves in being a dharmistha society, based on the teachings of Buddha. So I submitted an open letter to the same press, that "How is it dharmistha if the government is in fact supporting the organized slaughterhouses, that the government maintains the liquor industry, the tobacco industry, the tea industry, and they encourage cinema, nightclub, hotel, tourism, which encourages prostitution?" like that. I said, "Where is the dharma? Dharma means four things: no animal slaughter, no intoxication, like that." The editor promised that he would publish it today. So if they publish it, it will also be a very controversial...

Prabhupada: So, and they are giving us some status to stay there?

Hamsadūta: No, we have no official status. The way to function there is that you can stay for six months if you bring three dollars a day for that, and then go out, and you can come back the next day. They want to get rid of all religious groups. They want only their Buddhist group. They want to make the Buddhist religion as the state religion.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hamsadūta: At least they talk like that. And so all the religious groups there, the Christians and others, they're phasing them out by taking away their resident visas.

Tamala Krsna: What about the Tamils?

Hamsadūta: Well, the Tamils are in a very bad position. They've all fled to the Jafna area, the north area.

Tamala Krsna: Why are they so against the Tamils?

Hamsadūta: Well, the government, the politicians, they incite the people to create trouble, and in this way they try to assume office. They just take advantage of the people in this way, stir them up.

Prabhupada: Tamils are poor men?

Hamsadūta: Tamils? No, the Tamils were all the business centers.

Tamala Krsna: That's the reason.

Hamsadūta: It was actually the Tamils who agitated for the British to get out, and once the British got out, then the Sinhalese pushed out the Tamils because they're a minority-about three million Tamils to eleven million Sinhalese. The economic and political situation is very, very deteriorated in that country.

Tamala Krsna: What kind of preaching can you do now?

Hamsadūta: We can preach because we're not identified as Tamils or Hindus, because we are white, so that still attracts the people. We preach in public halls, you know, rent hall...

Tamala Krsna: So they lifted the curfew.

Hamsadūta: The curfew's over now.

Tamala Krsna: Do the Sinhalese take interest as much as the Tamils?

Hamsadūta: Yes, they do, actually. Actually the Tamils in Sri Lanka, they're all demigod worshipers. They worship Murga and Ganesa and Siva. There's practically not a single Krsna temple on the whole island. I was really surprised. And, erm,... Well, that's the situation. They're all demigod worshipers.

Prabhupada: Demigod worship means followers of Vedas.

Hamsadūta: The Buddhists, they have very nice temples there. In all their temples they have diorama exhibits about the life of Buddha and other figures from their line, but done very nicely, much nicer than the Hindu temples, very clean. But all Buddhists, they don't follow Buddhist even. They all eat meat, and, they say, they even drink and have women. Everything deteriorated. [to Tamala Krsna:] Is it all right to speak?

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Hamsadūta: I once heard that when some devotees wanted to buy a church in America you suggested that they should keep the altar and next put Radha-Krsna and give simultaneous lecture from Bible and from Bhagavad-gita. I was thinking that in Sri Lanka, if it would be all right to have a deity of Lord Buddha and speak simultaneously on the Dhammapada and also on Bhagavad-gita, showing how Bhagavad-gita is beyond the stage of nirvana. Is that a good idea, Prabhupada, or not?

Prabhupada: Good idea, provided you can present properly.

Hamsadūta: Because Buddhists come and they ask, "If Lord Buddha was an incarnation of Visnu, then why did he not teach about God? Why did he not teach about the soul?" So I always explain to them it's like teaching A-B-Cs and teaching advanced literature. He was teaching A-B-C. That was required. He did not go into higher subject matter.

Prabhupada: First of all the Buddha wanted to make them sinless, "Don't kill." And you are not following that even. His business was to stop sinful life. In sinful life one cannot understand God as He is.

Hamsadūta: Once Lord Buddha, they say, was sitting under a bo tree, and a leaf fell down. He picked it up and he said, "The knowledge I am giving you is like this leaf compared to the tree of knowledge." So I always quote that. They appreciate that, "Oh, yes," that beyond nirvana there is brahma-nirvana, and beyond that there is Paramatma, and above that there is Bhagavan.

Prabhupada: Nirvana means sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg 18.66]. That is nirvana. Krsna said, sarva-dharman parityaj... Parityajya means "giving up," and that is nirvana. It requires expert presentation.

Hamsadūta: And in all the temples they keep a Visnu Deity. All the Buddhist temples, they have a Visnu Deity. They have a saying that Visnu promised Lord Buddha to protect the Buddhist religion in Sri Lanka for five thousand years in this age. They say that.

Tamala Krsna: How many more years they have to go?

Hamsadūta: I don't know.

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? I'm thinking to go today to the Radha-Damodara temple to see how things are going on. You told me regularly to check there whenever we're here?

Prabhupada: Not immediately.

Tamala Krsna: Hmm. Better not to go today. Okay. [break]

Prabhupada: ...keeping money in the bank. Means so long I think that the bank keeping money in my pocket. And as soon as I've got the sentiment that these men are interested to keep our money in their pocket, I'll be very careful not to deposit.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Hari-sauri: Not to what?

Tamala Krsna: Not to deposit. Yes. He said that to me today. He said, "Now your fixed deposits are decreasing, and your bank balances in all accounts are very minimal." The manager said this to me today.

Prabhupada: Because they are harassing.

Tamala Krsna: Because... The reason... We are afraid of their psychology that they think that our money is now theirs. And that is giving us fear.

Prabhupada: They're thinking like that. We cannot freely have our money.

Tamala Krsna: Actually, it's only with the greatest difficulty that you were able to transfer this fixed deposits. Four times they came to you, and for even a half hour to one hour at a time went on and on, explaining to Prabhupada why he should not do this. Really, the best thing is that, I mean, if I can give this humble advice, is that someone like Giriraja should deal with them instead of... Because I feel, Srila Prabhupada, they take advantage of you when they talk with you, and that makes me feel very bad to see.

Prabhupada: Then tell Giriraja. Ask Giriraja to take...

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Because they see that you're not that well, and they also know that you're so merciful. And you're also a local Brijabasi in a way. Therefore they're always against any of us taking any participation. It's the funniest thing. I explained something to Giriraja. He's been dealing with so many legal things for so long that he's become like a lawyer, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Central Bank is very straightforward.

Tamala Krsna: Um-hmm. Very good and straightforward.

Hari-sauri: These people here, because they're smalltime and because you're such a good customer that they're scared that their reputation with the bigger bank will become spoiled if you take money out and don't deposit. They're very keen. It's a false prestige thing for themselves to try to keep your money in their bank. There's so much personal motivation there, now they're making us their servant.

Tamala Krsna: This one Dr. Sharma wanted to open a Gurukula account. So they told him, "You have no authority whatsoever. Bhagatji has no authority, Aksayananda has no authority, Gopala... Only Prabhupada has all authority." The funny thing about this, Srila Prabhupada, is that according to our memorandum, they're not correct. Actually, according to the memorandum, two members of the Bureau can pass a resolution to open an account. But the most amazing thing is they don't accept the Bureau. They accept something called the Governing Body, which legally in India doesn't have any weight. And when I tried to explain to them that there's a memorandum and there's a Bureau, they said, "We don't accept it. Everything is Prabhupada, and he's the chairman of the Governing Body." When I told this to Giriraja, Giriraja just laughed and said that...

Prabhupada: If Giriraja can deal with these men, then let him do it immediately.

Tamala Krsna: Okay. Very good. He can, because he thinks legally, and that's how you have to deal with these men. They're actually small time, and they're just harassing us because we're acting in a very gentlemanly way and they're acting in a very ungentlemanly way. Anyway, we're not going to take out our fixed deposits. The ones that are there should be matured. But when they're matured, if we want to transfer them to somewhere else, we should have the freedom to do that and not be bound to have to keep the money there. That's the only point. And we'll be bringing so much money. Your Divine Grace has plans for making Vrndavana very much developed. So they should not worry like that. None of our other bankers are worried. They see sometimes we take the money, sometimes we bring money. But because of the way they're dealing, we don't want to bring any money. I'll tell Giriraja to..., if he can deal with this matter, that he should take it up. He wanted to meet them. He said he wanted to see what is the...

Prabhupada: Let him meet.

Tamala Krsna: All right. They need his specimen signature anyway, so that will be a good reason to go. Actually, most customers they have are small, so they're afraid of the bank. But a Society like ours with so many connections in Delhi and other places doesn't have to be in the same position as an individual.

Hari-sauri: These men here, they want some false prestige for keeping Prabhupada as...

Tamala Krsna: They want the money also.

Hari-sauri: Yes. They want to use the money in the bank.

Tamala Krsna: That's the point. They get elevated positions.

Hari-sauri: Yes. Advertises them very nicely without...

Tamala Krsna: And they get raises. They get promotions. But they've lost money instead of gotten more, because of the way they've dealt with Prabhupada.

Hari-sauri: Mean consciousness. Krpanas.

Tamala Krsna: I didn't want you to have to get involved again, Srila Prabhupada, with them. I really, you know...

Prabhupada: Therefore I say do the needful.

Tamala Krsna: All right. I dealt with them nicely this morning, and they were very satisfied. I gave them a little prasadam. They were happy. You know, I did as you were dealing with them. Now you have to allow us to give you some relief, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Yes.

Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. [devotees offer obeisances]

Tamala Krsna: I'm going to go with Giriraja to the bank today, Srila Prabhupada. That's why I was going to go to Radha-Damodara temple and at the same time go to the bank, because they're right next to each other.

Prabhupada: No, do the needful. Giriraja is here. I have already given everything in writing.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Last night the condition was dangerous. Question of life and death. There was so much cough. It was not stopping. Finally, being unable to tolerate I had to take that Expectorant two times every after 3 hours.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Mucus came out. Prabhupada says mucus came out.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Show me your tongue. Your tongue. Did you give hot fomentation? Was hot fomentation given?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Hot. Hot.]

Tamala Krsna: We are putting powder.

Upendra: [Transl. Hot water?]

Tamala Krsna: Powder.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Hot fomentation given? Yesterday I said to give hot fomentation with blanket or warm cloth.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Hot cloth putting.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I said to give hot fomentation. I said to apply powder.]

Tamala Krsna: What question is he asking?

Kaviraja: [Transl. I asked you to massage ghee in the chest. Warm ghee with ginger juice massage in the chest I said. Did you massage like that?]

Tamala Krsna: Saccidananda, what is he asking?

Saccidananda: Hot cloth, that Prabhupada massaging.

Tamala Krsna: He's asking whether we did it?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Didn't I say that yesterday?]

Tamala Krsna: We didn't get it. Tell him.

Upendra: No hot cloth, hot-water cloth. Dry cloth.

Kaviraja: [Transl. I told you to give hot fomentation. Without that it will be very difficult.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What hot fomentation will do for cough?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Han?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Prabhupada is asking about cough.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I have given medicine for cough to be taken with Basaka leaves juice. I also told to massage the chest with warm ghee mixed with ginger juice. Did you do all that yesterday? Slowly cough will come out. Is it coming out? Cough will become liquid and come out through mouth or through stool. Did you pass stool today? No motion. Did you pass urine?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. There will be motion. No need to worry for that. I have given medicine. If urine is passed, that's good.]

Saccidananda: Hot cloth…

Kaviraja: [Transl. Mild fomentation with warm cloth].

Saccidananda: Ghee and ginger juice, hot, massaging over.

Tamala Krsna: Ghee and ginger juice.

Saccidananda: And making hot...

Tamala Krsna: Massage on chest for mucus to come out.

Kaviraja: [Transl. I have also given oral medicine to take.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Mucus come out means prana come out. What a terrible condition!]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Wipe his tears. What did he say?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. He says the cough was dangerous.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I have given medicines for cough. I will give more medicine today.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Intolerable. No strength. It was formidable.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Does mucus come out from the nose? Mucus from the chest. Two medicines are given for cough.] Two medicine for cough.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Save the life by stopping...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What did he say?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. After stopping the cough.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. Yes. The main treatment is for cough. Medicines have been given for mucus and air. And also for swelling. Nothing else. Your main treatment is for cough and swelling. I have given medicine specially for cough. Pearl ash, Deer musk etc are all mainly for cough. If I would have got the musk it would have been much better. For musk I already told you to arrange.]

Saccidananda: Doctor is asking for the Musk.

Tamala Krsna: Musk. He's getting that.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Before going to London I told you to get the musk.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Tomorrow we will have the musk. Tomorrow we will get it. By putting this in the mouth all mucus will come out.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I know musk, because I have used it before.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Unless you say it…]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That I will tell…]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Or you write it down otherwise it won't happen. Look, Ayurvedic medicines are working, but it is very slow. Musk will take out the mucus very quickly.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I will see. I have a chain of thought. I am trying my best to my capacity, but there should be no lapse in nursing.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Give something extra to stop the cough, there will be no harm to him.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Very weak. Pulse is good. His pulse rate is normal.]

Saccidananda: Pulse is all right.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Pulse is okay, but weakness has increased more. The blood has become water. That's why he feels weaker. He was not so weak like this before.]

Saccidananda: Prabhupada pulse is all right. Pulse beat is all right.

Kaviraja: [Transl. His body has become so weak.]

Tamala Krsna: But this mucus. Whether the drinking of milk causes mucus.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Mucus has become thick. Look, if you press here it becomes like a hole. So unless you give hot fomentation, how will it melt?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Listen Prabhu, Maharaja is saying that by drinking milk or taking more liquid is he having so much mucus and swelling?]

Tamala Krsna: He had milk yesterday?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk will not aggravate swelling. Rather it will help reduce the swelling. Milk reduces swelling. Milk is our eternal diet. Milk is good. It will not harm.]

Upendra: He had Complan three times.

Tamala Krsna: Yesterday we did not give any milk.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk was given not to increase cough.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. To stop it.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes. To stop it. Milk is the only diet. It is even better than fruit juice.]

Tamala Krsna: He didn't take any milk yesterday.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk is his only diet. Milk mixed with ginger juice, the way I have advised. Milk will not produce mucus. Milk will not cause any harm. Milk cannot harm. It is milk only that will save his life.]

Tamala Krsna: Then why the cough came? No, milk won't take away cough.

Saccidananda: [Transl. Why do we have to add water in the milk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. To make it light you boil with ginger. The water part will evaporate. Then there is no water left.]

Tamala Krsna: The main business is to take away the cough.

Kaviraja: [Transl. There will be only milk left. This milk is easy to digest. That's why I have said.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. The medicine which you gave, was it to stop the cough or to take out the cough?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. To take out the cough. Not to stop it. To let it go.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. To come out the cough.]

Saccidananda: To clean the cough. To clear the cough.

Tamala Krsna: [talking to Saccidananda:] Wait a second. Just try to understand. No, no, listen. When the cough comes out, Prabhupada cannot sleep. When Prabhupada cannot sleep, then he becomes weaker.

Kaviraja: [Transl. He feels exhausted to cough?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. When Prabhupada coughs, he cannot sleep. And if he does not sleep, he becomes weak.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This will not go in one day's medicine. Aged patient. Blood is less. Elderly patient.] Old man. Too old. Slowly.

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada, the kaviraja gave you medicines which made the cough come out more. That was his idea, to do that purposely.

Kaviraja: [Transl. The mucus will become liquid and come out easily.]

Tamala Krsna: I don't know if you want that, but that was... His idea was to make the cough come out more. You took it as that the medicine might not have been acting, but according to him, he wanted that to happen.

Kaviraja: [Transl. So that the mucus comes out easily that's what I am trying to do now. The mucus is not yet cooked. It is still like glue. You understand? When the mucus is matured it will come out easily.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. In your medicines there is lot of liquids. Leaves juices contain a lot of water.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Are you all crazy? You all are not listening. Water will be there in proportion to medicine. That is medicinal juice.] Medicine. Not water, medicine. [Transl. Don't worry about the medicines. You do the nursing very nicely. As I am advising you, you just follow. Do as I say. For example, you did not give hot fomentation. Cough has become solid. That's why it is hard to come out. As it becomes liquid it will come out through urine. Nursing. Now the treatment of the patient depends on nursing. Medicines taken timely and nursing.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Once you gave me some medicine like honey. As soon as I took one spoon so much mucus came out.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That I will tell.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Only one spoon every two hours.]

Tamala Krsna: The swelling has increased since yesterday. It was never so much as today. The mucus was never so much as today.

Bhagatji: [Transl. Maharaja is saying that swelling has increased.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What?]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Today cough is more than yesterday.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. It will be less. Only yesterday I gave medicine. Yesterday only. It will take little time for the medicines to act. I gave little medicine. I will give more.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. We have medicine left.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You have got medicine.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You don't have to give today.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Since you already have I won't give any medicines today.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. According to my convenience I will use them.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. He says according to my convenience I will take.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. That you use. I already said you are experienced so everything should be taken according to your convenience.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Why this sudden flow of mucus?]

Tamala Krsna: What did Prabhupada just say?

Saccidananda: Prabhupada telling that he already gave two doses of these medicines here, that according to Prabhupada thinking he will use the medicine.

Tamala Krsna: He will take the medicine.

Saccidananda: If necessary, he will stop one time medicine getting, or again he can try to take. But if Prabhupada likes, he can take.

Tamala Krsna: That's what Prabhupada just said?

Saccidananda: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From milk there will be no trouble. If you take milk the way I have said.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I am not drinking milk.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Milk will benefit you. You should stop fruit juice and take milk instead as many times as you like. But take in small quantity.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This thing has happened due to medicine.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. What? Medicines are given to be taken with milk. Treatment with milk.]

Prabhupada: The havoc caused, the medicine.

Tamala Krsna: Havoc caused by medicine. Prabhupada says the medicine caused havoc.

Bhagatji: [Transl. He had so much trouble by taking the medicine.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From medicine?]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Last night he coughed so much.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Which medicine is causing you trouble? Was it the morning dose of medicine?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I cannot understand which medicine. But as long as the medicine was in the stomach it was very troublesome.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Until the medicine was digested may be little trouble.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Could not digest.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, that was the cause.]

Tamala Krsna: Couldn't digest it. That's the real issue. He can't even digest the medicine.

Prabhupada: [Transl. Then I started feeling drowsiness. It went on. Then I took some Benedryl and it came under control.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Let me see your prescription. Prescription.]

Tamala Krsna: [whispering] It's an expectorant. I still don't understand. They want Prabhupada to take an expectorant. What does it do?

Upendra: Drowsiness. Chloroform.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Don't give him this one. Don't give him ginger juice.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Don't give this one with Basaka leaves juice.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Okay.]

Brahmananda: Codeine.

Tamala Krsna: Must have Codeine.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Don't give this one. Also put less honey.]

Upendra: No, it's chloroform.

Brahmananda: It causes [indistinct], but it also knocks you out.

[whispered conversations between devotees in background]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Consider very carefully and then prescribe.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I am thinking carefully.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Do not put too much leaves juice.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay. Don't put more juice. Last time he had no problem in digesting the medicines. Use in small quantity. Put ten drops of honey instead of twenty drops.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Sometimes leaves juices are heavy to digest. It causes indigestion.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Use less leaves juice. These are the medicines . How will I treat without them? Basaka leaves juice, punarnava juice. Give everything in small quantity. Instead of four spoons give two spoons. Give two spoons, it will be easy to digest.]

Bhagatji: [Transl. Reduce the quantity?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Today less juice.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Today let all the medicines be stopped.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Okay. That's up to your convenience. If you want to stop it, I have reduced the quantity. Ginger juice I have stopped as it was burning your chest. Other medicines you take. There will be no problem. I have reduced the dose. Previously you used to digest double the dose, but now you cannot. Therefore I am giving you less dose.] Small dose. [Transl.Nothing to worry. We can wait today.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Let us see how it goes today. Then tomorrow we can send him a message after observing how I feel.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Prabhupada says let all the medicines remain stopped today. Then tomorrow we will start again.]

Tamala Krsna: What did Prabhupada say, Saccidananda?

Saccidananda: Prabhupada telling that today he cannot get medicine much. He should wait, and if he feels better tomorrow, he can see.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Continue the hot fomentation. Externally continue the fomentation. The medicine to be taken with basaka leaves juice, he should take. There will be no problem. Basaka leaves for cough.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. In leaves juices there is so much liquid or watery substance which he is unable to digest.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. So I have reduced the dose. It will be digested. Leaves juices are light. Give less in quantity and there will be no problem for digestion. Medicines will be digested. It was the first day, so some disturbance was there. Slowly everything will become normal. Keep all medicines stopped today. That's what you want. Stop it today. We will see tomorrow.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. These medicines he is unable to digest. But Neogadine is good and just like honey. I know. It will be digested very easily. You prescribe it. There will be no problem. Listen, Don't mention the name of that medicine. Under your guidance you can…]

Tamala Krsna: [What is he asking?

Saccidananda: I have explained one medicine to clear the cough. Neogadine. Doctor Babu knows. I telling him immediately I all time use that to clear my cough, and when I feel bacteria and cough, immediately clean, and digestive power becomes so strong. He knows that. I ask him that please use him. This medicine is very difficult to digest, but that medicine is very easy digestion. And digestion power also there. He knows. I ask him to give one teaspoonful on the mouth. Immediately cough will be clean-he can speak nicely, he feels digestion. Everything is written there. What ingredients are there. He knows everything. All time, I use that medicine to clean the cough, to make digestion power so strong. Very good medicine, very old medicine. He knows. I ask him to please prescribe that medicine, because this is very difficult to digest. Therefore Prabhupada asked him, "Today I cannot take any medicine. I have to stop this thing and see." [You don't have anything like that?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, patent medicines. Draksa, Vasanti, Arista, all patent.]

Saccidananda: Very good, very old medicine. Very good.

Kaviraja: [Transl. You can give that. There is no harm. We also prescribe it sometimes.]

Tamala Krsna: How do you know it won't again cause more havoc? What is the guarantee? You're not Prabhupada. You are a young man. Prabhupada is old. So how do you know it will not do the same...

Kaviraja: [Transl. Neogadine is good medicine. Old medicine.]

Tamala Krsna: Can't make an experiment...

Kaviraja: [Transl. We also prescribe it to patients from time to time. It contains Draksarista and Basakarista. Very patent.]

Tamala Krsna: Patent medicine.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Basakarista will cause no harm. Prabhupada should take the milk only with honey. Only honey and milk.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Excuse me today.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This medicine you will have to take today, otherwise mucus might block your chest. This you must give. Don't stop it. Only with honey.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. Which one?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This no. 2 medicine. I have underlined. Give him this with honey and milk.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. No large cardamom?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. Only with milk.]

Saccidananda: [Transl. How much milk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Honey and milk. Hot milk one ounce.] Heart stimulant. [All mucus will be cleared from the heart.]

Tamala Krsna: The musk is for the heart?

Saccidananda: To clean the heart.

Tamala Krsna: The heart. So I thought the heart was strong. If the heart is strong, why give him musk?

Kaviraja: [Transl. In this condition the patient's heart should be kept strong.]

Tamala Krsna: If the heart is strong, why give musk?

Bhagatji: [Transl. If the heart is strong then why we need musk?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Musk enhances vitality. It increases vital power. It purifies mucus.]

Saccidananda: More strength. More strength.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Musk must be there.]

Saccidananda: To clean the cough also. The mental strength.

Abhirama: But where can we get the real musk?

Tamala Krsna: Bhagavatasraya's supposed to be...

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