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Prabhupada: Never mind he's very nicely dressed. But because he is not surrendered soul to Krsna, he is a miscreant. That's all. Beware of him.

Pusta Krsna: Can anyone be said to be innocent in this world?

Prabhupada: There are three classes: one devotee, one innocent and one envious. So we have nothing to do with the envious. With devotee, we shall make friendship, and to the innocent, we shall preach.

Pusta Krsna: But the innocent souls, they're not surrendered to Krsna?

Prabhupada: He'll surrender. You teach him. Because he's innocent, he does not know. But you preach, he will become. That is our duty.

Pusta Krsna: So persons who we preach to and give the message of Krsna consciousness to...

Prabhupada: Then let... If anyone hears very attentively, that means he's innocent. He should be given attention. And one who says, "Why Krsna Bhagavan? Ramakrishna Bhagavan." Oh, that's rascal, immediately. Take him, rascal. That's all. Finished. Created God. Huh? This Ramakrishna Mission has created God. God cannot be created. God is God always. This is anthropomorphism. Is it not?

Pusta Krsna: Right. Yes.

Prabhupada: Zoomorphism.

Gurukrpa: These people that say that they are God, they should be taken to court and thrown in jail for misrepresentation.

Prabhupada: No, that is by... There are some. But first of all, if somebody creates God, then he should be challenged, that "Where is your..., what is your definition of God? If you were created God, corroborate with the definition. Then we accept." This is very logical. We can ask anybody, "What is your definition of God? What do you mean by God?" Then he has to explain. This is the point.

Gurukrpa: Srila Prabhupada, once you told a man, "What is your definition of God?" And he could not answer. And you answered him that "God means the Supreme Being." And you said, "You are saying you are God, but you don't even know the definition of God. So how you are God?"

Prabhupada: Yes. If you do not know what is God, how can you say that "Here is God"? You cannot say. [break] One who is after God, he'll accept our philosophy. But the..., those who are rogues, who want to banish God or kill God, they'll not accept. So we have to avoid such persons.

Pusta Krsna: Persons who are too much sinful...

Prabhupada: Huh? Yes.

Pusta Krsna: ...they can't give up their sinful activities even after hearing about Krsna, are they in the envious class or the innocent class?

Prabhupada: They're envious. Sinful means that is the cause of their becoming envious. [break] ...law. Religion means the order of God. Simple definition. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Just like law, we keep to the right or left, order of the government. One who obeys this law, he's good citizen. One who disobeys, he's rascal. Similarly, dharma means the order of God. So one who obeys the order of God, he is really religious. One who does not, he's rogue, duskrtina. This is simple. [break] ...Christian. Now, what is the order of God? The Ten Commandments. If one abides by the Ten Commandments, he's really Christian. Take Buddhism. If he abides by the order of Lord Buddha, then he's right. Take Muhammadans even. So it may be one is Muhammadan, one is Christian, or one is Buddhist, one is Hindu, but if he abides by the order of God, then he's religious. Otherwise bogus. We are concerned Vedic religion. Our conclusion is that to approach Lord Visnu. Om tad visnoh paramam padam sada pasyanti surayah [Rg Veda 1.22.20].

This is Vedic, Rg-mantra. Or Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg 18.66]. If one abides by this, then he's innocent, or really religious. If he does not obey, then where is the religion? There is no religion. The instruction is here. One has to understand the philosophy from Bhagavad-gita rightly and appreciate himself and preach. This is wanted.

Pusta Krsna: Sometimes we hear that, from different religions, one should have faith in God. One should have faith in God.

Prabhupada: Unless one has faith, how he'll surrender?

Pusta Krsna: But we see that persons, they speak of having faith without actually following the instruction of God.

Prabhupada: That means he's rascal. What is the meaning of faith? If you don't surrender, where is the meaning of faith? He's a rascal. When the surrender comes? When I have got full faith-"Oh, Krsna is God. He's saying surrender. All right, let me surrender"-that is faith. "Yes, I have faith, but I don't surrender," what is this nonsense?

Gurukrpa: "But we have weaknesses. Temptation is very strong."

Prabhupada: That is another. You strongly pray to Krsna. Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te [Bg 7.4]. Then it will be possible. And if you have got less faith, then it will..., you'll have to suffer. You'll have to suffer.

Upendra: We sometimes see that those who have faith in their religious process, but because in their...

Prabhupada: But that is not faith; that is rascaldom. If you have faith, you must abide by the religious process. If you don't follow, that means you have no faith.

Upendra: But sometimes we meet a rare soul who does follow, but because there's no mention of Krsna in his scripture...

Prabhupada: No, it is not the question of Krsna religion. If he believes in God and the God's word is religion, so he must follow the God's law. It doesn't matter. Krsna is another name of God. But God is the same-one-either you call Krsna or Govinda or this or that. Namnam akari bahudha nija-sarva-saktih [Siksastaka 2]. First of all, one must be faithful to God. That you may call God or Allah, it doesn't matter. But you must know what is God and what is faith to God, what is definition of God, what do you mean by "understand God." These things are required.

Pusta Krsna: So that must become the practice of...

Prabhupada: Practice is no question. We have to talk with science. Practice... You have practiced something which is against religion. That should not be taken.

Pusta Krsna: It's become the fashion of world...

Prabhupada: Fashion? Your fashion, kick on the face! No fashion. [devotees laugh] It is a science. It is not the question of fashion, a false faith, belief. These are all rascals. Science is science. "Two plus two equal to four." That's all. There is no question of "I have no faith in this. I say 'five.' " That will not be accepted. Two plus two equal to four. It is neither five nor three. If that truth is there, then there is faith. "God is this, and sometimes God is this"-that is no understanding of God. You must have clear understanding of God.

Pusta Krsna: What is the quality of a person who is actually faithful?

Prabhupada: He'll accept immediately Bhagavad-gita if he's really follower of God. Because there is nothing extraordinary in the Bhagavad-gita. It is the words actually for God to speak. You may call "Krsna" or otherwise, but... Just like sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam [Bg 18.66]. This can be said by God only. Otherwise who can say that "You give up everything; surrender unto Me"? It can be said by God only. Either you talk of Hindu or Muslim, but ask one that "If God says, 'You surrender unto...,' will you refuse?" Let him become Muslim or Christian. So nobody can refuse the order of God. That is faithfulness.

Gurukrpa: Srila Prabhupada, why are there so many pseudoreligions, then?

Prabhupada: There is no religion. This is the only religion.

Gurukrpa: Then why do they mingle at all? Why do they even get involved?

Prabhupada: Therefore we say that one who has no faith in God, he's a rascal, miscreant.

Gurukrpa: But they pretend.

Prabhupada: Pretend? Kick them! Why you should accept pretension? Then you are a fool also. You say "pretend," and still, you have to talk about them. That means you are also faithless. Why should you talk about the pretension? Pretension is pretension. That is faithlessness. Sometimes they pretend honest, but he's a thief. What is this philosophy? Thief is thief. That's all. [break] ...following higher [indistinct]. That is Bhagavad-gita. The words which is spoken in the Bhagavad-gita, that can be spoken only by God. Nobody else can speak like that. Who can say? Who has the right to say that "You surrender unto Me"? Nobody has right. Only God can say. That is God. [break]

Pusta Krsna: Enviousness is caused by sense gratification.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Pusta Krsna: Enviousness is caused by sense gratification.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusta Krsna: And in the Fifteenth Chapter of the Seventh Canto, in one verse you mention that enviousness can be given up if one gives up the tendency to sense gratification.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Pusta Krsna: So we see sometimes that the Mayavadis, they have perhaps given up the affairs of this world, but still, they remain envious, inimical towards Krsna.

Prabhupada: Then?

Pusta Krsna: So, how...

Prabhupada: What he has given up? [laughter] What he has given up? You say he has given up; what he has given up? "I have given up everything, but I remain proprietor." What is this, given up? There is not..., no "given up." This is contradictory term. One who has given up, what he has given up? He has not given up his personality. Then what he has given up? In Bengali it says that ghar-sarvasya tomara cabikatiti amara, that "In the room, whatever is there, it is yours. But I lock it, I keep the key." [laughter] To Indian guest: Saba apkahi raha, vaki woh bandh karke cabi hamara pasa hain. [Transl. That rascal himself will steal. The son of a pig will himself plunder. They are doomed.] "I have given up." What you have given up? You have kept the keys. So we have to accept that he's given up? This is another foolishness.

[break] So the first question will be, "You rascal, what you have got in your possession that you are giving up? If you have something, then you can give up. What you have got, first of all tell me. You haven't got anything. Even this body is not yours. As soon as God will kick you, you have to go out. Then what is yours? You say 'I have given up.' What you can give up? Nothing is yours." That is rascaldom: "I have given up everything; I kept the key." From here, for a few days we are walking. And while going, if I say, "Now this land I give you," where your land? Where you possess this land? This is like that. What you can give up? What is yours? You have nothing. This is nonsense: "I have given up." First of all, prove what you have got. If you haven't got anything, then what is to give up? This is all nonsense. We say, Isavasyam idam sarvam .

Everything God's property. So there is no question of giving up, because everything belongs... I also belong to God. My body, my mind, everything is given by God. Where you get this mind? Where you get this body? It is explained in the Bhagavad-gita: bhumir apah analah vayuh kham mano buddhir eva, prakrtir me astadha [Bg 7.4]. He claims, "It is My property. What you have got? And you are also My part and parcel. So why you are...?" This is all nonsense, that "I give up." What you can give up? You cannot give up; you cannot enjoy. That is your position. If you enjoy, you are a thief. And if you say, "I have given up," you are a false. Therefore sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg 18.66]. Somebody is thinking, "I am giving up, and now I've taken laṅgota, I have become sannyasi." And whose laṅgota it is? You have got still the laṅgota.

Pusta Krsna: The...? The...?

Prabhupada: Laṅgota means the loincloth. So what is it you have given up? And you cannot give up your body. This is made, this ksiti, ap, teja, marut, vyoma, these five elements, they're also Krsna's. You have got mind. Oh, that belongs to Krsna. What you have got that you'll give up? You have stolen everything. You don't accept the real proprietor, and you are thinking, "I am the proprietor." That is your fault. That is miscreant. Stena eva sa ucyate [Bg 3.12], it is said there. Read Bhagavad-gita carefully, that everyone is a thief. Stena eva sa ucyate. All thiefs, rogues, rascals. That is the substance. If one does not accept God, the Supreme, and does not surrender, he is miscreant, mudha. Mudha. He does not know what does he possess, and he's thinking, "I am giving up." What you are giving up? You do not possess anything. A mudha, falsely thinking that "I am giving up." What you have got? Nobody can give up; nobody can enjoy. This is real knowledge. Jivera 'svarupa' haya nitya-krsna-dasa [Cc Madhya 20.108]:

"I am servant of Krsna. Everything possessed by Krsna. So I'll simply try to offer Krsna whatever is there for His..." [Transl. Just like a naukara: servant], in a house, he's trying to satisfy the master. But the things does not belong to him. The things belongs to the master. But if he serves very nicely, master becomes pleased, "Oh, he is very faithful servant. Perfect." Faithful means he knows that "Everything belongs to master, and everything should be utilized for master's pleasure, not for my pleasure." Then he's a thief. He's a bad servant.

Gurukrpa: Srila Prabhupada, what about these people that perform so-called bhakti-yoga but their aim is to merge?

Prabhupada: Hmm? That is not bhakti-yoga. That is not bhakti-yoga. Who says that is bhakti-yoga?

Gurukrpa: I said "so-called" bhakti-yoga.

Prabhupada: That, that is not... Cheating. That is another cheating. [Hindi] There is the same example: "Now I am serving the master. Just as soon as the master will be somewhere, I'll take everything." That kind of servant. Master serving the... Servant serving the master, but the intention is that "As soon as master is away, I'll take everything." [laughter] "I'll become Narayana. Let me serve now Narayana, and as soon as there is the opportunity, I shall become Narayana." They are thieves, rogues, these duskrtino mudhah naradhamah. Very faithful servant. He's planning how to usurp everything belonging to the master, and showing, "I am very faithful." Servant, Caitanya Mahaprabhu is teaching, mama janmani janmanisvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi . "Life after life, let Me serve You." That's all. Never willing to become master. That is Mayavada.

[break] ...don't want even salvation. Therefore He says, janmani janmani, "life after life." [break]

Pusta Krsna: ...go back to Godhead can be sense gratification?

Prabhupada: Yes, that is also a sense gratificatory desire. Otherwise why Caitanya Mahaprabhu will say mama janmani, to go? Krsna says, yad gatva na nivartante tad dhama paramam [Bg 15.6]. If one goes to Vaikuntha he does not come. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu also says He does not desire that. He is... "Let Me remain perpetually here, but be engaged in Your service." That is real, pure devotee. He doesn't want even promotion. That is also mentioned now: diyamanam na grhnanti [SB 3.29.13]. Diyamanam, even Krsna says, "Come immediately to Vaikuntha," "Sir, that is for..." Just like Prahlada Maharaja. Prahlada Maharaja was offered, "Whatever you like, you take." "Sir, do not make me a baniya."

[break] But if anyone wants in exchange of service, then he's not a devotee, he's a baniya.

Gurukrpa: Is that a merchant?

Prabhupada: Huh? Merchant, yes.

This is prayer. No exchange. Bhaktivinoda Thakura: kita-janma hau yatha tuya dasa. "If You want that I shall continue, yes, that's all right." That is full surrender. And on condition, "Sir, You'll take me to Vaikuntha; therefore I'm surrendered," that is conditioned. That is baniya.

Gurukrpa: So actually back to home, back to Godhead, means just back to devotional service.

Prabhupada: Yes. Because a devotee is always in Vaikuntha. Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate [Bg 14.26]. He is already in Vaikuntha. Why he shall for that, Vaikuntha? He's not in this material world. Muktih mukulitanjali sevate 'sman [Krsna-karnamrta 107]. This is called mukti. "The mukti? Why shall I ask for mukti? Mukti is standing on my door: 'What shall I do, sir?' So why shall I ask for mukti?"

[break] Anyabhilasita-sunyam. First make all desires zero. That is the beginning of bhakti.

Why should you desire anything?

Gurukrpa: Then they say, "Why you desire to serve Krsna?"

Prabhupada: Huh? That is not desire. It is a natural. That is natural. Obedience to Krsna, that is my natural business. Servant's business is always ready: "What can I do, sir?" This is not desire. This is natural position. He's not desiring anything. He's simply ready, "What can I do?" Anukulyena krsnanusilanam [Cc Madhya 19.167]. That is. He's not desiring anything. Desire means when I want something for my satisfaction, that is desire.

[break] mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya. He's simply expecting what spiritual master will order. Citta. Ara na kariha mane... He has no other desire. That is desirelessness.

[break] Desireless means a wooden stone. It has no mind, how it can de... But every living entity has got mind, so this is desirelessness, that "I'll wait for the order of my master and immediately execute." That is desirelessness.

[break] ...stop functioning, then what is the meaning of guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya? That means awaiting the order from the mouth of guru. Ara na koriho mane. He has no other desires. That is desirelessness.

[break] Nirvana. Nirvana means that you give up all material desires. Not that "But he did not say anything more than that." Because it was meant for the fourth-class men, so He did not say. He simply asked that you finish this material desire.

Pusta Krsna: Is that not misleading?

Prabhupada: It is not misleading. It is truth, but the truth as much as you can understand. It is not misleading, because Lord Buddha knew that "This rascal will not understand more than this." So he did not say further knowledge.

Gurukrpa: Srila Prabhupada, so some of our men, when we sell our books, sometimes we have to say things in order to get them to take the book. So that's actually not misleading.

Prabhupada: Yes. No, that is not misleading. Let him take, some way or other.

[break] Why do you think was done by Lord Buddha? Because the atheist class, they did not believe in God: "There is no God." So Buddha said, "Yes, there is no God. You are right. But what I say, you accept." "Yes, sir." But He's God. Kesava dhrta-buddha-sarira jaya jagadisa hare [Dasavatara Stotra 9]. We know that Lord Buddha is Krsna. But he says, "No, no, there is... No, there is no God. Yes, you are right. But what I say, you accept." "Yes, sir, we shall do that."

Pusta Krsna: Buddha's name is also considered hari-nama?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Pusta Krsna: Buddha's name is also considered hari-nama?

Prabhupada: What is that?

Pusta Krsna: Holy name? If one chants...

Prabhupada: Ah, yes. He is mentioned in the Bhagavata.

Gurukrpa: Srila Prabhupada, what does the word "buddha" mean?

Prabhupada: Buddha means "one who knows; in perfect awareness." That is buddha. Budha. In Bhagavad-gita this word is there, budha. From budha, Buddha.

[break] ...see the Sanskrit word, bodhaya. Budha bhava-samanvitah [Bg 10.8].

Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, you mentioned two different types of servitors. One is seeking to steal the property of the master as soon as the master is gone, and the other is sitting waiting...

Prabhupada: He's thief; he's not servant. He's a thief. He has taken service as a matter of means, that "If I remain as a servant, I'll get the opportunity of stealing." So he's not a servant; he's a thief. Stena eva sa ucyate [Bg 3.12].

[break] ...becoming a thief, if you have got some desire, you ask, "Krsna, I am very poor. Please give me some money." That you can do. That is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita. Arto jijnasur artharthi jnani ca bharatarsabha [Bg 7.16]. Artah, one who is distressed, he's praying. That is beginning. But when he's advanced... Just like Dhruva Maharaja. He'll say, svamin krtartho 'smi varam..., "Now I'm satisfied. I don't want anything." That is perfect stage. But even one goes to God and prays for something, he's called pious, because he has approached God. And because he has approached God and he's asking God, there is some transaction, in this way, by association of God, he'll be purified. One day he will say, svamin krtartho 'smi varam na yace [Cc Madhya 22.42]: "Now, I am fully satisfied. I don't want anything. I don't trouble You. Let me serve You."

[break] Why the devotee will ask from God? Krsna says, yoga-ksemam vahamy aham, tesam nityabhiyuktanam [Bg 9.22]. He says the responsibility, "I shall supply everything, whatever you want." So why the devotee will ask? If the child knows, "My father is there, my mother is...," why he shall ask? The father will take care whatever he wants. It is unfaithful, that "God cannot supply my necessities. I'll have to ask Him." He knows everything. Why shall I ask Him? That is pure knowledge. [break]

Pusta Krsna: ...isn't circumstance there for someone who's endeavoring very hard for material necessities?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Pusta Krsna: Someone who is endeavoring very hard for material necessities, is his position the same-faithless?

Prabhupada: I do not follow.

Pusta Krsna: One who is going to...

Prabhupada: Everyone is working hard for material benefit. So why someone? Everyone. Who is not working for material necessities? Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca saman... [Hitopadesa 25]. If the cats, dogs, human being-everybody is working very hard.

Pusta Krsna: Say, for example, one who is engaged simply in preaching.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Pusta Krsna: One who is engaged simply in preaching.

Prabhupada: He's serving Krsna. He's not material necessities.

Pusta Krsna: So Krsna is supplying all facility at least to maintain body and soul together.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes. I went to your country without any money. Now Krsna has given. I went with forty rupees; now I have forty crores. Who has done this business? So if you serve Krsna, so Krsna will supply everything, whatever you need, require. He doesn't require to ask for it.

Pusta Krsna: The question then is, is a devotee required to work very hard for material necessities?

Prabhupada: Yes. He has to work sincerely to serve Krsna. Then everything is there.

Pusta Krsna: Even he doesn't consider material necessity?

Prabhupada: Where is material necessity? Even for the cats and dogs, there is no material necessities. It is all supplied by Krsna. It is simply maya that "I am in material necessities." There are eight million lower species of life. Who is doing business for his...? We, simply civilized men, we are doing this. Otherwise Krsna is supplying everyone. Eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman [Katha Upanisad 2.2.13]. He supplies everything. Even the ant within the hole of your room, are you giving any food?

Pusta Krsna: No.

Prabhupada: Then how he's living? And the elephant in the forest of Africa. Who is going to give them food? How they're living? From the elephant to the ant, He's providing, and He cannot provide you. This is all mistaken idea. You haven't got to ask. Everything is there. Because in the... [break] ...accustomed to sense gratification life after life, we are habituated to ask. That is a habit. "Habit is the second nature." Actually, we don't require. These dogs, they are not asking, going to the church for asking, "God, give us our daily bread." Where he is getting bread? [break] Dogs are enjoying, but they are not asking bread from God. And where they are getting?

[bird chirping in background] [break] ...how he's chirping so nicely. But he has no anxiety. He knows that "I'll get my food anywhere. That's all right." The bird has got the sense, confidence: "Yes, I'll get." And that's a fact.

Gurukrpa: They're living day to day.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Gurukrpa: They are living day to day.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is a fact. God has given everyone; you'll get your food. Therefore sastra says, tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatam... [SB 1.5.18]. "Don't try for anything else. Simply try how to become Krsna conscious." That is your only business. Other things will come. If you're destined to get something, you'll get it. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham. Just like nobody asks for distress. How it comes? You are destined to get it. Similarly, whatever happiness you are destined to..., you'll get it. Why you are busy about distress and happiness? You simply try to become Krsna conscious.

[pause]

Prabhupada: Now? No.

Pusta Krsna: We can walk to the end. We got here at 6:15. [break]

Prabhupada: He's giving to the human form of life, who can understand. So if we miss this opportunity, that is our misfortune. Last instruction of Bhagavad-gita: sarva-guhyatamam [Bg 18.64], man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg 18.65]. He never says that "Try for economic development." [laughs] Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam... It is the most confidential knowledge. [break] ...Puri was chanting in a solitary place, and Krsna came to supply him milk. Why? His determination was that "If somebody gives me voluntarily, I shall eat. Otherwise, I am not going to ask anybody." But he is being supplied.

Gurukrpa: Sanatana Gosvami also?

Prabhupada: Yes. But for a renounced order of life, the order is you must beg, bhiksam. Not much. If I can subsist by taking one chapati, I'll simply ask for one chapati, not for two chapatis. That is sastra. If you can without any chapati, that is very good. But you can ask as much as you require. Not to eat sumptuously and sleep twenty-four hours. No.

Devotee: And what about householders?

Prabhupada: Householder can eat the whole world and sleep. [laughter] Because he is householder, he has got the concession. Everyone should do that. Householders are unable, that is their incapability. "Because I am householder, I have got the facility to have sex as many times and eat as much..." That is not householder. That is grhamedhi. There are two words: grhamedhi and grhastha. Grhastha is different from grhamedhi. Grhastha asrama. Although he's householder, it is asrama, only for advancing in Krsna consciousness. That is grhastha. But grhamedhi cannot do that. [break] Grha. Accha. Man has got the potency. Otherwise why they are offering to Krsna? Everyone has got the potency. We have to utilize it. [aside:] Hare Krsna. You understand English?

Indian: Yes, Guruji.

Prabhupada: Oh, thank you very much. [break] ...Bhagavad-gita. Dharmaviruddho kamo 'smi [Bg 7.11], "Sex life which is not against religious principle, I am that." Not that sex life, as soon as you like, sex. That is not grhastha. That is grhamedhi. Dharma-aviruddha. Dharmaviruddho means simply for begetting nice child you can have..., not for enjoyment. Putrarthe kriyate bharya. This is Vedic principle. Putrah-pinda-prayojanam. A bharya, wife, is accepted only for having son, not for any other purpose. Putrah-pinda-prayojanam. This is material side, but still, it is religious. First education is brahmacari, how to train him to avoid sex life. And still if he's not able, then he is allowed to become a grhastha, a little concession. Otherwise, the whole Vedic civilization is: how to avoid sex life. Brahmacari-no sex life. Vanaprastha-no sex life. Sannyasi-no sex life. Only grhastha, under control. That is grhastha. Grhastha does not mean one who is doing everything whimsically on account of getting this concession. He's not grhastha; he's grhamedhi. Apasyatam atma-tattvam grhesu grha-medhinam [SB 2.1.2].

Srotavyadini rajendra nrnam santi sahasrasah, apasyatam atma-tattvam... Grhamedhi means he does not know what is spiritual life. That is grhamedhi. And grhastha means he knows what is spiritual life, and he lives on that status. That is grhastha. Grhamedhi's definition is... Everything is there in the sastra. Apasyatam atma-tattvam. They do not know what is the aim of life. It is like something..., something like cats and dogs. They do not know. Apasyatam atma-tattvam [SB 2.1.2].

[break] So you'll speak to him?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: [to Indian] You know English, you can read books.

Indian: Yes.

Prabhupada: Very good idea. [break] ...Krsna, and everything will be all right. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has blessed, iha haite sarva-siddhi haibe tomara [Caitanya-bhagavata Madhya 23.78]: "Every perfection you'll get by chanting." That is His blessing.

Indian: [Hindi] [break]

Prabhupada: That's nice. Hare Krsna.

Devotee: Your name is…

Indian (2): …Pillai. He works in town council.

Prabhupada: Oh, he's South Indian.

Indian (2): South Indian.

Prabhupada: They are not beggar. But Krsna has assured, yoga-ksemam vaham... [Bg 9.22]. Why they should go to beg? That this is only a process to approach them. If you approach any gentleman as beggar, he'll give you, at least in India. Not... Just to enlighten, give them education.

[break] He's thinking, "This is life." And the sannyasi's duty is: "No, not this is life. You are in darkness, mudha." That is sannyasi's business: to enlighten.

[break] ...everything, and only for understanding future, they'll be left on the hand of the nature. Is that very good proposal? Hmm? No. There must be.

Indian man: But they have process. They earn wealth. That's all. And no future for the child, they don't...

Prabhupada: Because they have no education. The guru's duty is to give them education; the sannyasi's duty is to give... They do not give. They say, "Yes, you are all right. Give me some money." That's all. That they go: "I am avatara, I am this, I am that," that's all. And he is... He return kept into to darkness. That's all. [break] [end]