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Indian man (1): Yes.
Acyutananda: When we had Ratha-yatra in Calcutta we stopped in front of your house, and they had that ratha decorated in the doorway. And we turned the ratha towards the house, and they came out and did arati, the Mullik family, Syamasundara.
Prabhupada: So there was good festival, saṅkirtana, and procession. We all little children enjoyed. And eight days, my mother was cooking different foodstuff for Jagannatha. Then return Ratha-yatra. Ratha-yatra means...
Yasomatinandana: Fifteen days festival.
Acyutananda: Eight days.
Giriraja:
Indian man (1): Yes, comment. [break]
Prabhupada: Yes. Upagiyamanat.
Giriraja: [reading] "In these Western countries, when someone sees the cover of a book like Krsna, he immediately asks, 'Who is Krsna? Who is the girl with Krsna?' " [break]
Prabhupada: ...upagiyamanat. Uttama-sloka-gunanuvada. Uttama-sloka-gunanuvadat. Uttama-sloka is Krsna, who is worshiped by selected verses. So uttama-sloka-gunanuvada is executed by nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtti means ceasing; trsna means material desires. Nivrtti-tarsair upagiyamanad. So this uttamasloka-gunanuvada, praising the Supreme, Uttamasloka, is done by the nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtta-tarsaih means one who has ceased material desires. He can chant. He can glorify. But it is not for ordinary, mundane people. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad bhavausadhi chrotra-mano 'bhiramat. And this chanting is bhavausadhi. There is some... [break] ...of holy name or glorifying the Lord is the medicine for this material disease. Material disease means repetition of birth and death. To stop this repetition of birth and death, this is the only remedy. And this is used by liberated persons. So such a nice thing, who can refrain from it? Vina pasughnat [SB 10.1.4]. Unless one is animal killer, one cannot cease from this business. Therefore animal killing is so sinful.
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Giriraja: "In these Western countries, when someone sees the cover of a book like Krsna, he immediately asks, 'Who is Krsna? Who is the girl with Krsna?' and so on." [break]
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupada: So Krsna showed this attractiveness in full. [break] ...any question you can ask. [break]
Acyutananda: Lord Caitanya did not manifest so much opulence as Krsna.
Bhagavata: Some of the different incarnations, though, they manifest one of the different opulences or two, like that, isn't it?
Prabhupada: Yes. All the opulences, not in full.
Acyutananda: So what opulence does Krsna have that Narayana doesn't have? Those four, but what of the six?
Prabhupada: The attraction by playing flute, in the rasa dance. In this way there are four principles. That is mentioned in the Caitanya caritamrta. [aside: ] Hare Krsna
Acyutananda: But otherwise Narayana has all the six opulences.
Giriraja: Yes. He has spent his life...
Bhagavata: He has spent his whole life, twenty-five years, studying so hard.
Prabhupada: When he said this?
Bhagavata: In 1972. His name is Professor Leakey. He is from, I think, America. And he has found in Kenya one skull two million years old. [break]
Prabhupada: [aside:] Hare Krsna. [break] ...when our book was published?
Giriraja: This was in about seventy...
Bhagavata: 1970 it came out. [break]
Prabhupada: ...you discover.
Giriraja: March 31st, 1970.
Prabhupada: So? [break] ...civilization.
Bhagavata: You are giving all the information, cent per cent. [break]
Prabhupada: ...Darwin's theory is that from that lower animals to go to the higher animals, but in the creation we find Brahma is the first creation. So he is the topmost intelligent man.
Bhagavata: Is there anything in the Vedic literature which supports Darwin's theory at all?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Bhagavata: Is there anything...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhagavata: There is.
Prabhupada: Not Darwin's theory.
Bhagavata: Not Darwin's theory.
Prabhupada: Darwin's theory is no explanation that whose evolution. Evolution is of the soul. The soul is changing in different bodies, one body better than the other. That kind of evolution.
Acyutananda: Darwin has no individual evolution, but the evolution of a species. Like they say there were horses, and then when they had eaten up all the food on the ground, so they started to get the food on the trees, so their necks became longer. And those with longer necks lived, and the others died. So then there were the giraffes. So they moved like that. "Survival of the fittest." That's his theory. He said the stronger... Then the more intelligent animals will live more than the less intelligent. So they will die out, and then they will be up to the human. But that doesn't explain why there are still lower species of life, that why are there still animals. [break]
Giriraja: [reading] "...scriptures we are given the histories of Krsna's appearances and disappearances millions and millions of years ago. In the Fourth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita, Krsna tells Arjuna that both He and Arjuna had many births before, and that He, Krsna, could remember all of them and that Arjuna could not. This illustrates the difference between the knowledge of Krsna and that of Arjuna. Arjuna might have been a very great warrior, a well-cultured member of the Kuru dynasty..." [break]
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: Yes, there are different types of saktyavesa avatara. So when an ordinary jiva is specially empowered, he is called saktya avesa avatara, satktyavesa avatara, vibhuti. Yad yad vibhutimat sattvam [Bg 10.41]. He is living entity, but specially empowered. Just like for certain business I give sometimes somebody power of attorney, that "He will do this. He will sign for me." Like that. He is also one of the disciples, but for particular purpose he is given the power of attorney. In this way, when a living entity is empowered specifically to do something, that is called saktyavesa avatara. Avesa avatara. Krsna sakti vina nahe nama pracara. That is explained in the... These are explained in the Caitanya-caritamrta.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Acyutananda: So Nara-Narayana Rsi is which?
Acyutananda: So Arjuna has no constitutional connection with them, but at that time he was equal, by deputed potency. But they are individuals.
Prabhupada: Yes. He appeared through Ksirodakasayi Visnu.
Giriraja: Oh.
Bhagavata: But He's still the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Prabhupada: He appeared... Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He appeared through Yasoda, I mean Sacimata. That does not mean that He has appeared through. The sun rises from the eastern side. It does not mean the eastern side is producing sun. [break]
Yasomatinandana: When Krsna appeared, He could assume any other incarnation's form-Lord Ramacandra, Lord Varaha, Lord...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasomatinandana: But Lord Ramacandra could not assume Lord Krsna.
Prabhupada: No. Lord Ramacandra also can do. They are all full powerful.
Bhagavata: Oh, Ramacandra is full opulences.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. But Ramacandra, the full opulence was not exhibited. There was no necessity. But it is not that He could not. Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is acintya-bhedabheda, simultaneously one and different. [break] ...covering of the universe.
Yasomatinandana: These what?
Prabhupada: Covering of the universe. There are seven coverings. Each covering is ten times bigger than the one. Again, the seven elements.
Giriraja: So at night when we look up, everything that we see is within this universe.
Prabhupada: Yes, within this universe. Yes. And there are innumerable universes.
Acyutananda: ...living entities in not..., non-manifested matter? Are there any living entities in non-mani...
Prabhupada: No, therefore it is non-manifested. There is no living entities. It is simply covering.
Acyutananda: So the living entities only appear within the universes, not outside the universes.
Prabhupada: Yes. No, in the spiritual world there are living entities.
Acyutananda: But in the...
Prabhupada: Yes, in the covering, in the...
Acyutananda: Is there some part of Lord Siva that is there in between?
Prabhupada: Yes. On the border between spiritual world and material world.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Acyutananda: ...there are earth planets. There are many other planets in the earth level?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Acyutananda: But Krsna only comes to this planet?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Acyutananda: So this is very special planet.
Prabhupada: Yes. Vrndavana.
Acyutananda: And every time Lord Krsna appears, original Krsna appears, does Lord Caitanya appear on the following Kali-yuga?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Acyutananda: Every time.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Yasomatinandana: ...the twenty-eighth day of Brahma. [break]
[break] Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg 4.8]. This is ksatriya's business: to establish religious principles and to kill the demons. This is ksatriya's business. And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He appeared as a brahmana. So He did not kill anybody. Although He was just about to kill Jagai and Madhai, but Nityananda Prabhu restrained, that "In this incarnation You have promised not to kill." [break] I know I wrote him that letter.
Bhagavata: Gandhi.
Giriraja: [reading] "...Krsna will be appealing to the liberated souls and to persons who are trying to be liberated, as well as to the gross conditioned materialists. According to the statement of Maharaja Pariksit, who heard about Krsna from Sukadeva Gosvami, krsna-katha is equally applicable to every human being, in whatever condition of life he is in. Everyone will appreciate it to the highest magnitude. But..." [break] [end]
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