Prabhupada: ...by my sister. And you have seen in the Mullick Thakura-bhati(?) Ratha-yatra?

Guest (Indian man): Yes.

Prabhupada: So after my festival of Ratha-yatra the other boys in the Mullicks, they began. My ratha was, I think, this much high, very nicely made.

Acyutananda: When we had Ratha-yatra in Calcutta we stopped in front of your house and they had that ratha decorated in the doorway. And we turned the ratha towards the house, and they came out and did arati, the Mullick family, Syamasundara.

Prabhupada: So there was good festival, sankirtana, and procession. We all little children enjoyed. And eight days, my mother was cooking different foodstuff for Jagannatha. Then return ratha-yatra. Ratha-yatra means...

Yasomatinandana: Fifteen days festival.

Prabhupada: No, eight days. From dvitiya to dasami. Ratha-yatra...

Guest: Yes, comment. [break]

Prabhupada: ...upagiyamanat.

Giriraja: "In these western countries when someone sees the cover of a book like Krsna, he immediately asks, 'Who is Krsna? Who is the girl with Krsna?' " [break]

Prabhupada: ...upagiyamanat. Uttama-sloka-gunanuvada. Uttama-sloka-gunanuvadat. Uttama-sloka is Krsna, who is worshiped by selected verses. So uttama-sloka-gunanuvada is executed by nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtti means ceasing; trsna means material desires. Nivrtti-tarsair upagiyamanad. So this uttamasloka-gunanuvada, praising the Supreme, uttamasloka, is done by the nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtta-tarsaih means one who has ceased material desires. He can chant. He can glorify. But it is not for ordinary mundane people. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad bhavausadhi chrotra-mano 'bhiramat [SB 10.1.4]. And this chanting is bhavausadhi. There is some... [break] ...of holy name or glorifying the Lord is the medicine for this material disease. Material disease means repetition of birth and death. To stop this repetition of birth and death, this is the only remedy. And this is used by liberated persons. So such a nice thing, who can refrain from it? Vina pasughnat: [SB 10.1.4] unless one is animal killer, one cannot cease from this business. Therefore animal killing is so sinful.

Giriraja: "In these Western countries when someone sees the cover of a book like Krsna, he immediately asks, 'Who is Krsna? Who is the girl with Krsna?' and so on." [break]

Prabhupada: ...Krsna is all-attractive or God is all-attractive. This definition given by Parasara Muni is a supreme perfect definition. Unless God is attractive, how He can be God? This argument, what do you think?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: So Krsna showed this attractiveness in full. [break] ...any question you can ask. [break]

Bhagavata: ...expansion or incarnation has the six opulences in full except for Krsna?

Prabhupada: No, no. Krsna is cent percent. Next to Krsna is Narayana. Next to Narayana is Lord Siva.

Acyutananda: Lord Caitanya did not manifest so much opulence as Krsna.

Prabhupada: No, Lord Caitanya appeared as a devotee. How He can show the opulence of Krsna? Sometimes He showed. But He was playing the part, bhaktakhyam bhaktavataram namami bhakta-saktikam.

Bhagavata: Some of the different incarnations, though, they manifest one of the different opulences or two, like that, isn't it?

Prabhupada: Yes. All the opulences, not in full.

Acyutananda: So what opulence does Krsna have that Narayana doesn't have? Those four but, what of the six.

Prabhupada: The attraction by playing flute, and the rasa dance. In this way there are four principles. That is mentioned in the Caitanya caritamrta.

Acyutananda: But otherwise Narayana has all the six opulences.

Prabhupada: Yes. Super-excellent opulence in Krsna, by His venum kvanantam aravinda-dalayataksam [Bs. 5.30]. That attraction is only in Krsna. [break] ...scientist, we say the same thing.

Bhagavata: Yes. He has spent his whole life, twenty-five years, studying so hard.

Prabhupada: When he said this?

Bhagavata: In 1972. His name is Professor Leakey. He is from, I think, America. And he has found in Kenya one skull two million years old. [break]

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. When our book was published?

Giriraja: This was in about seventy...

Bhagavata: 1970 it came out.

Prabhupada: [break] ...you discover.

Giriraja: March 31st, 1970.

Prabhupada: So? [break] ...civilization.

Bhagavata: You are giving all the information, cent percent.

Prabhupada: [break] ...win's theory is that from that lower animals to go to the higher animals, but in the creation we find Brahma is the first creation. So he is the topmost intelligent man.

Bhagavata: Is there anything in the Vedic literature which supports Darwin's theory?

Prabhupada: Yes. Not Darwin's theory. Darwin's theory is no explanation that whose evolution? Evolution is of the soul. The soul is changing in different bodies, one body better than the other. That kind of evolution.

Acyutananda: Darwin has no individual evolution, but the evolution of a species, like, they say, there were horses. And then when they had eaten up all the food on the ground, so they started to get the food on the trees. So their necks became longer. And those with longer necks lived, and the others died. So then there were the giraffes. So they moved like that. "Survival of the fittest." That's his theory. Then the more intelligent animals will live more than the less intelligent. So they will die out and then they will be up to the human. But that doesn't explain why there are still lower species of life, that why are there still animals?

Giriraja: (reads) "...we are given the histories of Krsna's appearances and disappearances millions and billions of years ago. In the Fourth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gita, Krsna tells Arjuna that both he and Arjuna had many births before, and that He, Krsna, could remember all of them and that Arjuna could not. This illustrates the difference between the knowledge of Krsna and that of Arjuna. Arjuna might have been a very great warrior, a well-cultured member of the Kuru dynasty..." [break]

Acyutananda: In the last part of Krsna Book, Maha-Visnu says that Arjuna is of the capacity of Nara-narayana. So they are avataras also.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Acyutananda: But as Arjuna he acts as an ordinary jiva?

Prabhupada: Yes, there are different types of saktyavesa avatara. So when an ordinary jiva is specially empowered, he is called saktya avesa avatara, satktyavesa avatara, vibhuti. Yad yad vibhutimat sattvam. He is living entity, but especially empowered. Just like for certain business I give sometimes somebody power of attorney, that "He will do this. He will sign for me." Like that. He is also one of the disciples, but for particular purpose, he is given the power of attorney. In this way when a living entity is empowered specifically to do something, that is called saktyavesa avatara. Avesa avatara. Krsna sakti vina nahe nama pracara. That is explained in the... These are explained in the Caitanya-caritamrta. [break] ...saktya. Mama tejo-'msa-sambhavam. So saktyavesa avatara is not visnu-tattva. He is jiva-tattva. So the Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Buddha, they come within the jiva-tattva especial power.

Bhagavata: They are saktyavesa avataras.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Acyutananda: So Nara-narayana Rsi is which?

Prabhupada: Nara-narayana Rsi was a saktyavesa avatara.

Acyutananda: So Arjuna has no constitutional connection with them, but at that time he was equal, by deputed potency. But they are individuals.

Prabhupada: Yes, Arjuna is also... Yes, equal to Nara-narayana. [break] ...as Nara-narayana. Somewhere, I think.

Giriraja: (reads) "Krsna's knowledge is so perfect that He remembers all the incidences of His appearances some millions and billions of years in the past. But Arjuna's memory and knowledge are limited by time and space, for he is an ordinary human being." [break]

Prabhupada: ...Krsna. Krsna did not become God by the so-called meditation or mystic power. He has already all this yogesvara. All mystic powers are already there. [break] ...that man?

Giriraja: Does he also appear through Maha-Visnu? When Krsna appears, it says that...

Prabhupada: Yes. He appeared through Ksirodakasayi Visnu.

Giriraja: Oh.

Bhagavata: But He's still the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Prabhupada: He appeared... Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He appeared through Yasoda, I mean Sacimata. That does not mean that He has appeared through... The sun rises from the eastern side. It does not mean the eastern side is producing sun. [break]

Yasomatinandana: When Krsna appeared He could assume any other incarnation's form, Lord Ramacandra, Lord Varaha.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Yasomatinandana: But Lord Ramacandra could not assume Lord Krsna.

Prabhupada: No. Lord Ramacandra also can do. They are all full powerful.

Bhagavata: Oh, Ramacandra is full opulence.

Prabhupada: Oh yes, but Ramacandra's full opulence was not exhibited. There was no necessity. But it is not that He could not. Yes.

Giriraja: So at the end of the Krsna Book, when Krsna and Arjuna visit Lord Visnu and Visnu calls them incarnations of Himself, that is because Krsna appeared through Ksirodakasayi Visnu?

Prabhupada: Yes. This is acintya-bhedabheda, simultaneously one and different. [break] ...covering of the universe. There are seven coverings. Each covering is ten times bigger than the one. Again, the seven elements...

Giriraja: So at night when we look up, everything that we see is within this universe.

Prabhupada: Yes, within this universe, yes. And there are innumerable universes.

Giriraja: "And beyond that non-manifested matter there is the spiritual kingdom. That kingdom is described in the Bhagavad-gita as supreme and eternal. It is never annihilated. This material nature is subjected..." [break]

Acyutananda: ...living entities in not non-manifested matter? Are there any living entities in non-mani...

Prabhupada: No, therefore it is non-manifested. There is no living entities. It is simply covering.

Acyutananda: So the living entities only appear within the universe, not outside the universes.

Prabhupada: Yes. No, in the spiritual world there are living entities.

Acyutananda: But in the...

Prabhupada: Yes, in the covering, in the...

Acyutananda: Is there some part of Lord Siva that is there in between?

Prabhupada: Not in between. That is also after that. Sada-siva. Just on the border, on the border.

Bhagavata: On the border. Before you reach earth, the element of earth.

Prabhupada: Yes. On the border between spiritual world and material world.

Bhagavata: On the Viraja River? That is where Kailasa-dhama is.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Yasomatinandana: Are there different Kailasa-dhamas like is there any Kailasa-dhama in a particular universe also?

Prabhupada: Yes. There is. Just like there is Vrndavana, similarly, there is Kailasa-dhama. [break]

Acyutananda: There are many other planets on the earth level?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Acyutananda: But Krsna only comes to this planet?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Acyutananda: So this is very special planet.

Prabhupada: Yes. Vrndavana.

Acyutananda: And every time Lord Krsna appears, original Krsna appears, does Lord Caitanya appear on the following Kali-yuga?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Acyutananda: Every time.

Prabhupada: Yes. [break]

Yasomatinandana: 28th day of Brahma. [break]

Prabhupada: ...Yes. 28th or 27th. 27th Dvapara-yuga. [break] Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. This is ksatriya's business: to establish religious principles and to kill the demons. This is ksatriya's business. And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He appeared as a brahmana. So He did not kill anybody. Although He was just about to kill Jagai and Madhai, but Nityananda Prabhu restrained that "In this incarnation You have promised not to kill." [break] You know I wrote him that letter.

Bhagavata: Gandhi.

Prabhupada: Yes. That "You now preach Bhagavad-gita," but he would not do that. Go on. Hare Krsna.

Giriraja: "...Krsna will be appealing to the liberated souls and to persons who are trying to be liberated, as well as to the gross conditioned materialists. According to the statement of Maharaja Pariksit, who heard about Krsna from Sukadeva Gosvami, krsna-katha is equally applicable to every human being in whatever condition of life he is in. Everyone will appreciate it to the highest magnitude..." (end)