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Prabhupada: Don't strain for collecting. Then spiritual progress will be hampered.

Tamala Krsna: Don't strain for collecting. Then spiritual progress will be hampered. That's a fact.

Jayapataka: It seems that the temple could be completed within seven years without straining.

Prabhupada: That is nice.

Jayapataka: Then we can have it completed by the five-hundredth-year anniversary of Lord Caitanya...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: ...which is in eight years.

Prabhupada: Do it. That is...

Jayapataka: And the architect at Mayapur, he said that the temple that's inside the big temple, that could be opened up to the public within three years by having just some type of false ceiling, and then the upper stories, work can go on. That means within three years people could start visiting the temple and using it, which will also be a big inspiration to the public. And then the upstairs and complete outside would be completed.

Prabhupada: Do like that. That is very good idea. And different name, you can purchase.

Tamala Krsna: Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust?

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Jayapataka: Each of the..., like gosala, handloom, these can be separately formed into societies, which would be easier for bookkeeping and management anyway, and each of those societies can purchase the land on which their handloom or gosala, whatever is, they can purchase that land in that name.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Krsi-go-raksya bhumi Trust.

Jayapataka: Mr. Chowdury tried, but now he's been transferred from the development commissioner. Now he's the transport commissioner. So now all he can do is give us a free... He gives us, tax free, vehicles. But he can't give us the land anymore.

Prabhupada: Tax free?

Jayapataka: Our vehicles in Bengal, we don't pay any road tax. He's the transport commissioner, but now he's no longer development commissioner. And if the government gives us some land on acquisition, we'll take. But I don't think they'll give a big amount, neither we should wait for that.

Tamala Krsna: No. That's also utopian.

Jayapataka: When they see we're doing something, automatically they want to also help.

Tamala Krsna: And that bridge is a good idea. Pontoon bridge.

Jayapataka: Because so many tourists are coming. The local M.L.A., he told me now there's thousands and thousands people coming. This last weekend there was... At any time you could see hundreds of people walking on the road to take darsana. So now the local man, he wants to build some guesthouse on his own, the government, where they're going to serve meat and other things. So that's why our temple, we want to... We're getting our guesthouse all straightened up. If we have a restaurant, then we'll be able to take all the tourist traffic.

Tamala Krsna: So why don't you have a restaurant?

Jayapataka: That was supposed to be done this year, but then Bombay took all the funds. Prabhupada sanctioned it already last year. It was a good idea. But Mayapur has become very popular. This is all due to your effort, Srila Prabhupada. Simply due to your efforts Mayapur and Navadvipa is becoming so much more famous and popular. We want to make the Mayapur temple so beautiful and make the city so nice that not only the Queen of England and the President of United States, but even the Russian and Chinese leaders, they'll all have to come to see this. They can't avoid. Will that please Bhaktivinoda Thakura?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Jayapataka: If all the leaders, all these presidents and kings would come and visit the temple at Mayapur, that would please Bhaktivinoda Thakura?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Tamala Krsna: Seems like your activities, Srila Prabhupada, are so much pleasing to the previous acaryas.

Jayapataka: This is the secret you are showing, working towards satisfying the desires of the previous acaryas.

Prabhupada: Taṅdera carana-sebi-bhakta-sane bas. So you are all bhaktas. To live with you, to serve the lotus feet of the acaryas, that's good.

Svarupa Damodara: We've already become famous as spiritual United Nations.

Jayapataka: You've given the secret for success.

Prabhupada: If possible, make some improvement in Bhaktivinoda Thakura's birthplace.

Jayapataka: I was just thinking about that, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: At least repair it nicely, without any claim of our...

Jayapataka: From the Bhaktivedanta Charity Trust.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Tamala Krsna: This Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust will be very popular, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: Amongst the Vaisnavas.

Tamala Krsna: Everyone will glorify your name. It will be a great pleasure to give them funds from this Trust.

Devotee: [whispers] Bhaktivinoda Thakura's birthplace.

Jayapataka: Sometime in the future we can, if they are ever agreeable, if we can take the seva of that birthplace, then we should do so.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Jayapataka: In Malda district at Ramakeli, where Lord Caitanya first met with Rupa and Sanatana, there is a temple of Radha-Krsna that Lord..., that Rupa and Sanatana Gosvami used to worship those Deities. Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura Prabhupada has put a lotus feet of Mahaprabhu there. So we have gone there on two occasions for preaching, and they..., some local people came and said they would like us to take some..., to either take over management or somehow be connected with that, because they felt that it required preaching there. They're very favorable at that place.

Prabhupada: So take it.

Jayapataka: When you say Gauda-mandala-bhumi, that means any of the lila places of Lord Caitanya.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Tamala Krsna: Not just Navadvipa.

Prabhupada: No. No, in Bengal.

Tamala Krsna: What about in Jagannatha Puri?

Prabhupada: That is another. That is Orissa.

Tamala Krsna: It is your great mercy, Srila Prabhupada, that you are allowing us to do a little helping to you in your service to the previous acaryas. We are completely fallen, without any spiritual credit, but still, you are allowing us to help you in a little way.

Jayapataka: Without your intervention we would have no hope.

Prabhupada: Where is Jayapataka's mother?

Tamala Krsna: Where is Jayapataka's mother?

Jayapataka: She's in California. Citsukhananda Prabhu said that... [to Citsukhananda:] You said you saw her in Los Angeles? She is coming to the temple? My mother?

Citsukhananda: Yes.

Jayapataka: What is she doing?

Citsukhananda: She's coming now. There's another lady, Mrs. Forkash, and she has been working with Mrs. Forkash, and she's been attending the programs and also organizing for good publicity for the movement all over America. And she's been attending any major functions that we do. Like we had a major function with all the important people of Los Angeles-movie stars, directors, politicians-and so she also assisted, and she was preaching, speaking about Krsna consciousness.

Tamala Krsna: She's becoming a devotee.

Citsukhananda: Yes, very much.

Svarupa Damodara: She's also connected with that Parents for Krsna? There's one parents' group called Parents for Krsna?

Citsukhananda: Parents for Krsna, yes. She assists in that Parents for Krsna group.

Tamala Krsna: That is your magic touch, Srila Prabhupada. Anyone who contacts you becomes a devotee. You're just like the associates of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Whoever saw them...

Prabhupada: She's already a good lady. Otherwise how she can have such a nice son? [laughter]

Citsukhananda: I asked her if she had met you, Prabhupada. I asked Jayapataka's mother if she had met you, and she said, "Yes..."

Prabhupada: A fortunate lady. All your mothers, they are all fortunate.

Svarupa Damodara: I remember some parents used to come, Srila Prabhupada, in Los Angeles while you were sitting in the garden in the evening. Once in a while, some parents would come and appreciate you so much that you've trained their sons and daughters to become a human being.

Prabhupada: Tenants?

Svarupa Damodara: The parents...

Prabhupada: Oh.

Svarupa Damodara: ...used to come in Los Angeles in the evening while you were sitting in the garden.

Prabhupada: Which garden?

Svarupa Damodara: In Los Angeles.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Jayapataka: One day you'll be celebrated for saving the whole world, Srila Prabhupada.

Tamala Krsna: Every day, Srila Prabhupada, I receive so many letters praising Your Divine Grace, how you have saved so many fallen souls.

Jayapataka: Even this kaviraja, he said that he has seven patients in Calcutta who are about to die, but he said they're all materialists, so if they live or die it doesn't matter much. So he said, "If Prabhupada stays on the planet, then so many hundreds, thousands, countless living entities will get devotional service, get liberation, get elevated." That's why he's dropped those patients to come here. You are the most important. You are the pure devotee.

Tamala Krsna: It's amazing to think, Srila Prabhupada, that ten years ago you were living in Radha-Damodara temple and just conceiving all of this. Now Krsna has arranged everything. You were sitting alone, having to draw your own water, doing your own typing. Everything you had to do yourself. And now, gradually, the whole world is coming to assist you in serving Krsna. It is most wonderful.

Jayapataka: But still we are not able to serve properly. You have to show us continuously. We are so unfortunate, we are not able to serve you properly.

Devotee (1): Everyone is knowing of your glories, Srila Prabhupada. I was coming in a truck from the airport in San Francisco, and one policeman pulled me over, and he ran an investigation and then he came back and said, "I know this isn't right, but do you have any books by Prabhupada?" So he pulled me over just to get one of your books. And later on I saw him, and he and his friend... He was a sergeant, and they were reading your book at a liquor store.

Tamala Krsna: [chuckling] The policeman pulled him over. He was in a car, Srila Prabhupada. He thought he was going to be arrested, but the policeman said, "I'm pulling you over to ask for one of Prabhupada's books."

Jayapataka: Haribol!

Devotee (1): He said that he used to go through the airports all the time and get your books, but he hadn't been through the airport in so long, he was feeling the separation. So he had to pull us over, because he saw we were devotees, so that he could ask for some of your books.

Citsukhananda: In Los Angeles, at the Spiritual Sky Incense company, there are so many karmi workers also assisting in Spiritual Sky business. So actually, they were just coming to work every day without any change of heart. But we started... The receptionist started giving Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers to the people who work there. And this one man who's a theologian who works there in the bookkeeping department read your book, and he said, "This man speaks perfectly. He has no fault. Everything he says is completely right, perfect." So now they're coming to the temple, now, because they've read your book. Otherwise they didn't want to associate. But now they read this book, Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, and they're coming to the temple. They take prasadam. They've become very submissive, all the workers.

Jayapataka: Now that your books are being printed in Hindi, in Calcutta, one of our Life Members, Mr. Tulsan, he got your Hindi Bhagavatam and Caitanya-caritamrta, and he's begun reading, and now he said his whole life is transformed. He said that never he found anywhere that the knowledge was presented so simply and so clearly. All the panditas he could never understand. So now he's become so enthusiastic he's purchasing four rooms in Mayapur-two for himself, and he's making two relatives purchase. And every month he comes out with his family, with the whole family. "Instead of going to other recreation," he said, "we'll go to the temple." And he brings big basket of fruit, and he comes out, and they stay for the weekend and they all attend maṅgala-arati.

Prabhupada: Four rooms, which side? New?

Tamala Krsna: New building or the old one?

Jayapataka: He's going to purchase, I think, two rooms in the old building, and then maybe two rooms in the new building he'll have his friends purchase.

Tamala Krsna: They like the new building also?

Jayapataka: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: I think we'll have to build more buildings soon, Srila Prabhupada.

Svarupa Damodara: That long building?

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada was saying that Tirtha Maharaja's brother says that our gate alone is worth all the other temples, that front gate alone. [laughter] When I told Srila Prabhupada that people say that our new building is like a..., worth a whole train, Prabhupada said, "A double train."

Jayapataka: When one of the Communist papers was writing a critical report about us, then they said that "They even have a building that's longer than the Writers Building. How they have done this, shamed our state building?" [laughter]

Tamala Krsna: The gate is bigger than the Governor's gate, and the building is longer than the Writers Building. Krsna is first. And when we build that temple, it will... [laughter] Then everyone will simply be silent. That will end all comment.

Prabhupada: They are already silent. [laughter] Jaya.

Citsukhananda: Before I came to India, Prabhupada, I was... One Saturday night in Los Angeles about three weeks ago we had a big maha-saṅkirtana, big chanting party, because President Carter was coming to Los Angeles. So we got there about thirty minutes before he was coming, and we went with about 125 devotees from New Dvaraka. We went chanting through the street right in front of his hotel room. So he came in from the back way, but it was known to us that he heard the chanting, and all the main people from the government saw this chanting of Hare Krsna. We were chanting very nicely, dancing in the street. And everyone was protesting something different, but we were just happy and joyful, and everyone could see that this is positive, this is best thing. Everyone is griping about something, but we are all happy; we have no complaints. So we think that President Carter heard this kirtana party.

Svarupa Damodara: He's supposed to come to India this month.

Jayapataka: We were noticing now the headline in America in the Newsweek or some magazine was that America is going right. Now people are protesting against abortion. They are demanding that leaders be moralistic. It is a whole trend now. And so we see that just because Your Divine Grace has begun book distribution and preaching in the West, in America, that now the people, they're becoming more... Qualities of goodness are automatically coming about just because of your preaching.

Devotee (1): At one big fair, Prabhupada, we were distributing your books, and after the fair was over so many people were coming up. So we surrounded the truck with stacks of books and passing them out. And pretty soon after all the books were gone the people started rocking the truck. They were surrounding it, asking for one of your books. They were demanding that they have one of your books.

Jayapataka: The kaviraja has come.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Maharajaji, My obeisances to you.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Obeisances.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Tell me now.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. The urine I am passing, I am not passing all at a time.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Passing little by little.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Do you feel any inconvenience while passing urine?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Little is there.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Little is there? Do you feel any burning sensation while passing?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No. To pass out...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I see. You feel inconvenience to pass it out? Yesterday, how much, where is Caru Svami?]

Tamala Krsna: [Transl. Where is Bhakti-caru Svami?]

Svarupa Damodara: How much did he urine yesterday?

Tamala Krsna: Yesterday was 475.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. 475.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. We have to increase his intake of ark.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. We have to increase? Yesterday we gave ark twice.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No. You have to give him 3/ 4 times.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I just brought a bottle from Calcutta. You mix that ark with this ark and give him. He is feeling some problem in passing urine.]

Tamala Krsna: One thousand liquid was taken in.

Bhakti-caru: Yes, 1,000.

Tamala Krsna: One kilo.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He drank one kilo liquid. Since you have brought I will give him one dose now.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Did you give him medicine in the morning?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No as yet. I will give now.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You give him in the morning 6 o'clock or say 7 o'clock. That is the right time for taking medicine. So Maharaja, after eating that yesterday do you feel some apetite today? Try to bring out your apetite little little and end your pastime of aversion to food. If you like raisins, you can take raisins. You know small raisins? if you want you can take those. You tell me, whatever you feel like taking, whatever is your internal desire you can take it. You need to increase your strength.

Prabhupada: [Transl. I have desire, but when they bring before my mouth.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You don't feel like eating.]

Tamala Krsna: What's he saying?

Svarupa Damodara: He said give [indistinct] at seven o'clock.

[Svarupa Damodara whispering indistinct translation]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Your tongue please.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hann]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Do you feel any trouble to open your eyes? Do you?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Light might be falling on the eyes.]

Tamala Krsna: We washed his eyes with rose water. Prabhupada said he felt a little...

Kaviraja: [Transl. How nice! He looks fit and healthy today. Let me restore his immunity. Everything else is alright. From the medicine I gave I believe that in 4/5 days he will be fit enough to do parikrama.]

Bhakti-caru: Alright. He said that the medicine that he started administering, in four or five days Prabhupada will be fit enough to go into parikrama.

Tamala Krsna: Does that sound all right, Srila Prabhupada?

Kaviraja: [Transl. Maharaja, sometimes you become weak and sometimes you become strong. What is the matter, explain to me.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Why don't you explain?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, I am just an instrument. Who am I? The more you remain joyful, the more strength you will have. Do you sometimes feel extra sleepy? Yes?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Then it's alright.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Now he sleeps more than before.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. In the ark, a small dose is mixed and because of that he gets good sleep.]

Tamala Krsna: [Transl. Prabhupada slept the whole night soundly.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. After you left we didn't have to give him Jatamamsi that you showed...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From Jatamamsi one gets six hours sound sleep. That you don't need now. He is getting good sleep. He had the heaviness in the stomach, but now it is completely gone, it is totally clear. Now you request him to start eating little by little. Can't he take Daliya [cracked wheat preparation] or rice little bit?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He doesn't eat rice at all.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Doesn't eat rice? Then, what about some Daliya ? Did you ever eat Daliya khichri Maharaja? No?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I can't eat any solid food.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You said yesterday that he should not take solid food for 4/5 days]

Kaviraja: [Transl. But Daliya is like liquid food.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, Like liquid.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. It is liquid only. The wheat is made into a paste.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh, I see.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. The wheat is made into powder….]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Like Barley powder and mix it with water. You know khichri? You make it like khichri and give him little by little. That I will explain to you how to do. You prepare like that and give it to him little by little. His bones, asthi hy siddha bhisika asthita. Now his body has only bones left. So little by little we have to help increase his blood. Once blood is increased gradually flesh, bones, fat, marrow, semen increase in the body. Slowly like this he will get some energy. Without some energy in the body he cannot sit down. He will feel weak to sit up. Has Bhagatji come today? What time will he come?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He has not come yet.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. From Medicine No. 2, take two spoon full of punarnava root juice and two spoon full of Makoi. It is for swelling and the trouble for passing urine.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Makoi, What? Makoi's root?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. No, leaves. I showed you.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Bhagatji has sent some roots. Those are not Punarnava roots.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. He has sent some roots?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You get it from that same person from whom you got it before.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Punarnava, actually I have some Punarnava left. The roots are...]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Are those roots large in size?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. The roots which Bhagatji sent are large.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. I will see them. Do you apply this oil at night?]

Tamala Krsna: Oil? Yes.

Kaviraja: [Transl. Keep him covered. Otherwise he will catch cold. He is weak, No? ]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, he is weak.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Here comes Punarnava.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh, Punarnava is here.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This is plenty. Tell him to save some for later. You take little now and smash the roots and abstract two spoons of juice.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. So mix two spoons of this juice and two spoons of Makoi juice together...]

Svarupa Damodara: Is it bitter?

Kaviraja: [Transl. This is Punarnava. It's a sanskrit word Punarnava.]

Svarupa Damodara: I see.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You can also make Punarnava spinach preparation no?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Of what?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. This Punarnava.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You can make very good spinach preparation from it. Punarnava.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, I have brought little medicine. Should I give you now? Srila Prabhupada, open your mouth.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Mix it with something and give him. You have decoction no? Mix with decoction and give him.]

Svarupa Damodara: [whispering] He said it's better to give by mixing it.

[Prabhupada drinks something and coughs]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Little more is there Srila Prabhupada]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Enough. Hmm.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Drink little water. There is a bottle you take it from there.]

Devotee: Which one?

Kaviraja: [Transl. The big bottle up there.]

[Srila Prabhupada coughs]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I give you little water Srila Prabhupada?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. When did he pass stool yesterday?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He passed two times yesterday]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Two times, Morning and Evening?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Once he passed at about 9.30 and another time was at 2.30.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. You should keep a note of this.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I was not here yesterday. Was the stool... How was the stool?]

Bhavananda: Last night?

Bhakti-caru: Yesterday.

Bhavananda: It's in there.

Bhakti-caru: No. How was the...

Svarupa Damodara: The color?

Bhavananda: Consistency?

Tamala Krsna: One thing you can say. Prabhupada was saying that there was a little... Prabhupada, you said that there was a little trouble for passing urine today?

Bhavananda: He said it's coming in installments.

Tamala Krsna: Is it painful or anything, Srila Prabhupada?

Jagadisa: Some slight pain.

Tamala Krsna: You can tell Shastriji that Prabhupada was saying that for urine there's a little difficulty, pain.

Bhakti-caru: In the morning. [Transl. He was having a little pain while passing urine this morning. It was paining.]

Kaviraja: [Transl. This much roots you mix with decoction in the morning. Every morning you use decoction no? I told Bhagatji to send green roots, nice quality. In the morning you put more roots in the decoction.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. This much more?]

Kaviraja: [Transl. Yes, I will increase the quantity of arka so that his problem of passing urine will go away.]

Tamala Krsna: You want some water, Prabhupada?

Jagadisa: What is he saying?

Bhakti-caru: The arak is that distilled medicine...

Prabhupada: [Transl. Wipe my eyes.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Wipe my eyes. Water is coming out.]

Bhakti-caru: We have to increase the quantity of that arak.

Tamala Krsna: That's for the kidney?

Svarupa Damodara: Urine was clear yesterday?

Bhakti-caru: You kept the urine from last time?

Tamala Krsna: Next one we'll keep. There'll be more. Prabhupada, you want to try for passing urine?

Prabhupada: Immediately?

Bhakti-caru: No, whenever. [pause]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? You want to rest now? We've been talking for a long time with Prabhupada. You should be resting. We can take off. You want kirtana or not now, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Soft.

Tamala Krsna: Soft kirtana. Shastriji? You can close curtain? [kirtana with harmonium] [end]