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Bhavananda: Dosage on this medicine, do you know?
Bhavananda: I thought he had said once a week.
Bhavananda: We can speak to him, Srila Prabhupada.
[break] Not sure of what the dosage is. We can speak to him, find out.
[break] [indistinct fragments with breaks, as tape is tested.]
Dr. Gopal: [Transl. You ask him] ...however, it will not interfere with my medicine. You understand?
Bhavananda: Yes.
Dr. Gopal: It will not interfere with my medicine.
Indian man: We have prepared some golden and pearl and musk.
Indian man: [Transl. Pearl.]
Bhavananda: That was this.
Indian man: [Transl. I don't know.]
Dr. Gopal: Moti-drsti gold and pearls are there.
Dr. Gopal: I don't know about that. But we can ask Vaidyaji what is the dose and which one is better, whether moti-drsti or this. Moti-drsti is usually given... [Transl. I thought, it is given daily with honey.] I don't know about this.
Bhavananda: We can find out. And that can be given. It won't interfere with your treatment at all.
Dr. Gopal: No.
Dr. Gopal: Anything more?
Dr. Gopal: Yes, of course I am Vaisnava, but not by initiation.
Dr. Gopal: I don't know myself, because I know only this much, that I am a man and a Hindu, that's all, baniya by caste, by born in their family. Profession, my serve you.
Dr. Gopal: Mostly belongs to district Mathura itself, in village near Mathura.
Dr. Gopal: No, my father migrated from this place to district Agra, Firozabad, in 1945.
Dr. Gopal: Before that, I was hardly two years old.
Dr. Gopal: No. They're always from this U.P.
Bhavananda: ...in Vrndavana. That perhaps he could stop there and just inquire whether they had any kaviraja there, because that's Ramanuja-sampradaya. Shall he do that? [break]
Prabhupada: Eh? What is that? No. This doctor's treatment is failure.
Prabhupada: Now... Where is Bhakti...?
Bhavananda: Bhakti-caru is just waiting to go and get the kaviraja in the front. Do you want me to bring him?
Prabhupada: Call him.
Prabhupada: They will simply guess.
Bhavananda: On and on.
Bhavananda: Take that medicine and leave everything to Krsna.
Bhavananda: Yes. We felt that your dream, Srila Prabhupada, was very significant.
Prabhupada: Doctor treatment is finished. Don't try any... They will simply guess and make huge complication.
Prabhupada: So... [Transl. Come here. If Ramanuja-sampradaya kaviraja is there, you bring him and also bring our Kaviraja.]
Prabhupada: Doctor treatment, failure.
Bhavananda: We're not sure that that was the result of the medicine or the result of liquid intake.
Prabhupada: What he has said? Hmm?
Bhavananda: Well, he was stumped as to why you had no appetite, and he said that possibly because you are taking less air in your left lung than in your right lung, there may be some infection in the lung-he said that generally is denoted also by lack of appetite-of some tubercular or pleurisy or pneumatic nature.
Bhavananda: He didn't prescribe any medicine.
Prabhupada: Then he'll say, "Remove to the hospital."
Bhavananda: "Then they'll say move to the hospital."
Prabhupada: Then who will take care of me? Hmm?
Bhavananda: We will never allow them to remove you to a hospital, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: You'll have to, gradually, according to his advice.
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. Better kill me here.
Bhavananda: Never.
Prabhupada: But if you are disgusted, that is another thing.
[whispering among devotees about Prabhupada's statement]
Prabhupada: They are expecting.
Bhavananda: [in disbelief] If we are disgusted?
Prabhupada: Yes?
Bhavananda: No.
Bhavananda: Service at your divine lotus feet is the perfection of life. Our only fear is that Your Divine Grace may become disgusted.
Prabhupada: No, I have no dis... Doctor treatment failure.
Bhavananda: Doctor treatment is finished.
Bhavananda: Yes. Anyway, we gave him chance. Your Divine Grace gave him a fair chance to...
Tamala Krsna: Actually, the whole thing only began because Dr. Ghosh came. Actually, you didn't want Dr. Ghosh to come, but it was too late. We had already sent Lokanatha. So once Dr. Ghosh came, we were obligated to try these allopathic medicines. It was Dr. Ghosh who brought Dr. Gopal. Otherwise, from your own choice, we would not have, you know... We were obligated because of Dr. Ghosh's coming. Naturally... He came so long, such a distance. From the beginning you always don't like the allopathic. You never like it very much.
Bhavananda: We all feel, Srila Prabhupada, that your direction is absolutely perfect. It is coming directly from the spiritual platform. Therefore anything which you tell us to do, we want to do, and we have full faith and confidence that it is absolutely correct. But we don't have full faith and confidence in people who are materially conditioned. Therefore we have taken you as our spiritual master. You have perfect knowledge of everything spiritual and you have perfect knowledge of everything material.
Prabhupada: So, all of you agree to this?
Bhavananda: Do we all agree?
Devotees: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
[pause] Why you stop kirtana?
[kirtana begins, Pancadravida sings slowly.]
Prabhupada: Mildly kirtana.
Prabhupada: Mild kirtana, tell him.
Prabhupada: Where is Hamsaduta?
Prabhupada: Baradraj or...
Bhavananda: Baradraj.
Prabhupada: Eh? They are avoiding?
Prabhupada: They are avoiding me.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Brahmananda: Who is that?
Pradyumna: Hamsaduta was here at lunchtime.
Upendra: Baradraj came also. He was here most of the morning.
Brahmananda: You were resting at that time.
Upendra: Baradraj is a little ill.
Satadhanya: And he said that as soon as you wake up, then he will come.
Prabhupada: Then?
Prabhupada: If you move me from here, I will immediately die.
[pause] I cannot live.
Prabhupada: I cannot live without your company.
Prabhupada: Do that.
Prabhupada: Do that. Take this, this allopathic treatment, failure.
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, would you be interested in hearing any of the Bhagavatam that they have edited? I think that would be nice.
Upendra: I'd like to give Prabhupada a bath.
Prabhupada: Yes. That will be nice. You sit down, all, and let us try.
Prabhupada: I have no objection.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: And stop all medicine. [laughter]
Prabhupada: This is already uncomfortable.
Bhavananda: I think that this doctor's desire you have seen through. His desire was to remove you from here somehow or other. First to remove you for an x-ray, then...
Tamala Krsna: Another trick they have is that you have one trouble, so they give you a medicine, but the medicine causes a worse trouble. And eventually such bad trouble is created that they get you depending on them, and then they say, "Now the only thing left, you must come to the hospital for operation." Then they kill you.
Prabhupada: They do not know. They use machine. Their means of knowing-machine. They do not know.
Prabhupada: Yes. Recently that Dalmia secretary... What is his name?
Prabhupada: In pathology his prescription was replaced by another.
Upendra: His prescription was replaced by another.
Prabhupada: He had some trouble.
Prabhupada: So, what is called? Pathology?
Prabhupada: No, laboratory testing?
Bhavananda: Yes.
Prabhupada: So his case was transferred to another.
Bhavananda: Mixed up.
Prabhupada: And he was being treated as tuberculosis.
Adi-kesava: Sometimes they make the operations, and they leave the knife in, and they sew the knife up inside after they make an operation. Or the scissors. They take some clamps and they sew them inside the wound. And then the man says, "Oh, I have a pain in my side." And they say, "Oh, new disease," and they make another operation and take out the clamps or the knife.
Prabhupada: I have got many experiences in my family life. One servant, Kashiram.
Prabhupada: Yes, his name was Kashiram. So he was howling, howling. So we took him to the hospital, and so many student doctors surrounded. They diagnosed something, strangulation or something like that.
Prabhupada: Yes. Then they were prepared to surgical operation. Then another experienced doctor came. He said, "Let us wait today." So he was kept in the hospital, and we came back. That Kashiram... Another friend, servant of the neighborhood, and so he said, "Babuji, he has drunk little."
Prabhupada: So I said, "Don't ... There are so many doctors..." And next morning he came back and said, "The doctor said, 'You are all right. You can go.' "
Svarupa Damodara: I had a similar story. It is my own personal experience. In 1974 I came here in India. I got malaria in the United States in summer 1975. Then temperature was very high. I went to the Baptist Hospital in Atlanta. They thought it was a virus, viral infection. They couldn't diagnose. Then they gave some medicine, and then I went. But it started again the following day, then I went to another doctor. He could not diagnose. So they gave me glucose injection, a big bottle, thinking that was a strange viral infection. So about six, seven doctors, they couldn't diagnose for three-four days. Then one day there was a doctor who came from Vietnam, he had some experience in tropical disease. So he thought it might be malarial fever. Then, after that, I was surrounded by many doctors thinking that it was a strange disease before, but they diagnosed... But it was not right. They did all the wrong medicine, thinking it was a viral infection.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: I told you the story of my father recently, Srila Prabhupada, how he had the arthritis in the hip, so they gave him a new hip. Then it moved to the other hip, and they replaced the other hip. So after eight weeks he was in the bed in the hospital, and then they said, "Now you can try to walk." So they gave him crutches, and they stood him up, and after eight weeks of all these operations, as soon as he stood up he had a heart attack and died right on the spot. They were very sure. "Now you're all right," they told him.
Pancadravida: My great-uncle, he had tonsillitis, so he went to a friend who was a doctor, and the friend said, "That's all right. We'll operate, and I will not charge you anything." So he went into the hospital, and in the operation the doctor dropped a scalpel, and after that... He was very big, and he became very small, never could eat again. [break]
Prabhupada: No protection.
Bhavananda: There's no protection. [break]
Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I have found out the information about the Ramanuji Kaviraja. In Janaki-vallabha temple, they have a Charitable Dispensary where he works. Now he has gone somewhere across Yamuna. He will return at 6 o'clock. I told them that I will come back at 6 o'clock and take him with me. So should I bring Vanamali Babu at that same time also? From the description I understood that he puts Ramanuji tilaka on his forehead. He is about 60 years old. An aged person. So I will go and bring him at 6 o'clock Srila Prabhupada.] [leaves room]
Trivikrama: ...cannot do its plundering business.
Prabhupada: The sun cannot take life during the Bhagavata discussion. The more you discuss Bhagavatam, you keep your life. Who is standing here?
Tripurari: Now Baradraj is chanting.
Tamala Krsna: Who is standing? Dhrstadyumna Maharaja, Svarupa Damodara, Tripurari Maharaja, Nayanabhirama, Bhavananda Maharaja, Upendra, Trivikrama Maharaja, Pancadravida Maharaja, Brahmananda Maharaja.
Prabhupada: So, you are understanding?
Devotees: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Trivikrama: By your mercy.
Prabhupada: Then we stop here?
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Bhavananda: If you'd like.
Prabhupada: Because my that quarter is more ventilated.
Bhavananda: Yes, we can do.
Prabhupada: So last days I can stay there, and when I die, just bury me in the place where you are proposing to...
Bhavananda: Your house.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: Yes, we can arrange.
Prabhupada: So think over the matter.
Bhavananda: Yes, I'll discuss it with Tamala, and we'll...
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: Call him.
Bhavananda: Yes.
Prabhupada: Who is here?
Prabhupada: I am proposing to go to Mayapur.
Prabhupada: What do you think?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Upendra: Of course, Prabhupada came from London, and the doctor said he couldn't come.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Prabhupada: So weak condition...
Prabhupada: So you think over transferring me to Mayapur.
Tamala Krsna: Well, actually it's a great pleasure to take you to different places, Srila Prabhupada, and we certainly never find any difficulty in transporting you. I was wondering that... As Vrndavana gets quite cold in the winter, I was just wondering how you would be able to pass the winter here, and I was thinking that Mayapur was a very natural place to go. Now, just now, it is very nice here in Vrndavana. Probably for two or three more weeks it's the topmost time. But shortly it will be getting cold.
Prabhupada: Why not do that?
Prabhupada: No. Mayapur is still more open.
Prabhupada: Fresh air.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: In November, December, January, February.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: Rub with oil and sit in the sun. I think it's a sound proposal.
Bhavananda: And they have a sleeper on it also.
[indistinct whispered comment]
Bhavananda: When you're feeling stronger, then the veranda is there for nice stroll.
Prabhupada: There is ample space.
Prabhupada: I think so.
Prabhupada: And in Mayapur, if you keep me in my quarters, and take little care, that's all. Take little care, that's all.
Prabhupada: Here, in one room, always closed.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. That's a fact. It's closed. I felt it today, especially when you were translating. It's very... It's a claus... It got a little stuffy. When one can move around easily, then this house is very first class. But because the rooms are such design, if one has to stay in one room, then it can get a little bit stuffy. Just like here, the only opening is from one side. In Mayapur we'll get the cross ventilation.
Prabhupada: Yes. Vegetable boiled. Fresh vegetable. I can take little.
Prabhupada: Yes. Bindi.
Prabhupada: Yes. Whatever vegetable is grown there, so boil. I can take. What vegetable grown?
Prabhupada: Where...?
Bhavananda: That was when I left. The potal were very tender.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Bhavananda: Puṅi sak.
Prabhupada: Everything is there.
Bhavananda: Everything is there.
Prabhupada: Brahmananda, what does he...?
Tamala Krsna: Brahmananda, what do you think?
Brahmananda: I think it's a very good idea, Srila Prabhupada. Very good program.
Prabhupada: Tara hoy braja-bhumi bas.
Prabhupada: And we have got such a nice place, open place, palatial building, such finer...
Bhavananda: Everyone will be in ecstasy, especially the gurukula boys most of all. They're always asking, "When is Srila Prabhupada coming? When he's coming? Tomorrow?"
Prabhupada: So that is my proposal. Now you think over seriously and arrange for.
Prabhupada: Or I shall go there to take their dust of feet.
Tamala Krsna: Of their feet. I think this is the right plan, Srila Prabhupada, because then, by March or April, it will be time for you... The festival will be there. And then, with hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of ISKCON Vaisnavas from all over the world, you will be better. And then with a great contingent we will travel around the world.
Devotees: Jaya. Haribol.
Prabhupada: So let us go in a team. [laughter]
Bhavananda: Team spirit. And you, Srila Prabhupada, are the captain.
Devotee (2): Captain of the ship.
Prabhupada: You have seen Mayapur?
Devotees: Have you seen Mayapur?
Prabhupada: So let me go. Enough place. You can have two rooms. [laughter] Yes. In new building.
Bhavananda: Yes. There is no dearth of rooms.
Prabhupada: And as I will remain in Mayapur or Vrndavana-the same.
Devotee: Same.
Prabhupada: So I shall prefer.
Devotees: What, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhavananda: I'm already thinking, Srila Prabhupada, what preparations we have to make.
Prabhupada: Simply fresh vegetable.
Prabhupada: And mung dal also.
Bhavananda: Everything comes to life when you come to Mayapur. You are the crown jewel. Mayapur is such beautiful setting, but without Your Divine Grace's presence, we are always feeling empty-hearted. And as soon as you come, all of us are enlivened.
Prabhupada: So let us go in a team.
Bhavananda: By looking at all the devotees assembled here, Srila Prabhupada, the looks on their faces indicate that everyone likes this idea.
Prabhupada: So do it. Do it.
Prabhupada: Jaya.
Prabhupada: [Transl. I can speak Hindi.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. Yes sir. [pause] Maharajaji, in your nature air and bile are prominent.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. In your nature air and bile are prominent. In Ayurveda the system of pulse is, [quotes an indistinct verse] according to your pulse, there is air and bile imbalances in your body. The heart is [indistinct]]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. The heart is a machine and it is the center point of the whole body. There are one hundred blood vessels and one hundred smaller blood vessels in it. Actually there are ten thousand small and finer arteries and veins in and around the heart and through them the heart circulates blood all over the body. The heart is weak. The kidney is weak. It is situated here in this place. His pancreas situated on the left side of the navel is also weak. His nature is overpowered by air and bile. And his three organs heart, kidney and pancreas are not in good shape because of which he does not feel hunger. The function of the pancreas is to produce hunger. Our Ayurvedic Acaryas have recommended [quotes an indistinct verse]. The function of the kidney is to filter fluid. This is his physical condition.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. Now I will arrange for the treatment. What does he eat nowadays?]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. Okay.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. What about water?]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. You should not give him any food. Among the four types of foods which is chewed, sucked, licked and drunk. You know the meaning?]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. You can only give him liquid things. Because, in such a state the intestines do not function properly. The treatment will help lessen the burden of the intestine and pancreas. His prana vayu which governs the intake functions and his apana vayu which governs the eliminative functions are now distorted and they have to be brought to normal condition. He should be treated very smoothly and not stongly. In old age and specially in the life of the saintly persons these things are normal.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Tell him I had a dream that a vaisnava from Ramanuja Sampradaya is giving me makara-dhvaja medicine.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. I can prepare...]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. Slowly he will start eating.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. That is for protecting the body. Give him liquid now, that is sufficient. We need the blessings of the great souls. As long as we can have his good association that is beneficial.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. What is he saying?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. So what is to be done now?]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. Yes.]
Bhakti-caru: To the Indian man: [Transl. There is a Vaidyaraja-Kaviraja here in Vrndavana at Gopinath Bazar. He has a Pharmacy, shop there. He used to treat Srila Prabhupada before. So he prepared makara-dhvaja, makara-dhvaja rasayana. Is there any difference between makara-dhvaja and makara-dhvaja rasayana?]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. No.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. Makara-dhvaja is not like this. You arrange to prepare it here. You can make it here in front of your eyes as I tell you the ingredients and procedure. You collect the ingredients and after checking with me you can make here. It has to be processed by a special method called Jarana. This stuff is useless.]
Vaidyaji: [Transl. I don't have to meet anyone as I am independent.]
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