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Prabhupada: Hmm?
Tamala Krsna: The main necessity right now is not just sleep, because you've been sleeping for many days, and that hasn't gotten you better. Sleeping, of course, is easier. When one is laying down, it's a little disturbing to the mind if he cannot sleep all the time, but sleeping is not so necessary as getting some nourishment.
Prabhupada: No, no, no... Without sleeping, the brain will be...
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Tamala Krsna: You were sleeping so much yesterday, and even while you're taking these medicines. In other words, the idea with the allopathic medicine is that it does many good things. So I'm sure Dr. Ghosh could recommend something to help you sleep. [some whispering about going to go and see Dr. Ghosh]
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: And they will help this, this, this...
Bhavananda: That's why we thought, Prabhupada, we could go to the kaviraja, and he would give a mild medicine for helping to induce sleep.
Bhavananda: If Prabhupada could just take it today, one day more, because, Prabhupada, the good sign is that your urine was more clear than ever, this morning at five-thirty. And that was due to the allopathic medicine.
Prabhupada: That is the worst effect.
Bhavananda: If the infection from the kidney goes away... But everyone agrees that that has to be taken away. That is the fatal, fatal infection. Kaviraja and allopathic all agree that that urine must become clear and that infection is dispelled.
Bhavananda: And that masseur can come this morning and give you a massage.
Bhavananda: They told him not to come. I told him to come in the afternoon.
Bhavananda: Visvambhara and Dr. Ghosh. But he can give you a good massage. That will help.
Bhavananda: We can cut the dosage of the medicine in half.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: Hmm? No cover.
Bhavananda: No cover?
Tamala Krsna: The main thing, Srila Prabhupada, is that you get some strength. I mean, you were sleeping so much, and you weren't getting any better. The sleeping is necessary, but you shouldn't sacrifice. In order to sleep you should not sacrifice those things which give strength and which take away this disease. You have to get strength, get rid of the disease, and be able to rest nicely. That we have seen, that the kaviraja's medicine is not so effective, neither simply doing without any medicine is so effective. We have not tried allopathic medicine, because within a day or two you always stop it. Whenever you take for one day, then you say, "No more." I think that this... If you want to get better, you have to take some cure. No cure-that is not good. And switching from one thing to the other, that is also not good. Why not follow some series of cure, regular, and stay with it for some time? We're not going to let anything severe be done. That's for sure. And Dr. Ghosh has come very long distance, and this other doctor he is taking the help of is supposed to be expert doctor. So in such a critical condition, why not take their help? What can be gained by again changing to this Bonamali? Just because there was a little inability for sleep, why should you give up all of the, you know, regimentations which they're prescribing? Just like sometimes...
Prabhupada: No, they say, "You drink this, drink this, drink this."
Prabhupada: No. That's all right, but the drinking forcibly, that is a great botheration.
Prabhupada: So how can I take constantly?
Prabhupada: No, no, bother... What botheration? I cannot take so much.
Prabhupada: What can I do?
Bhavananda: They said that one of the symptoms of this infection is-this poisoning-is that you become averse to taking any liquid or any food. Just like you're expressing your aversion that you're not able to. But actually you are able to, but you don't want to. But you have to force yourself in order to get better.
Prabhupada: Then, then the same problem comes, and they will forcibly...
Bhavananda: [whispering] Hospital.
Tamala Krsna: But, Prabhupada, one thing is that if you expect to simply naturally feel like doing this or that, how can you expect something..., to feel naturally hungry if you're ill? Unless the disease goes away... Then naturally you'll feel like drinking and eating. Just like you described to us, when a person is not Krsna conscious he has to force himself to get up early, force himself to chant, force himself to go to arati. Naturally he doesn't feel like these things in the conditioned stage. So similarly, when one is in a diseased condition, naturally he won't feel like taking the medicine or taking the necessary foodstuffs. But if he doesn't force himself, then he can't get out of that diseased condition.
Prabhupada: So that condition is finished. I have no stamina to force.
Prabhupada: How you can?
Prabhupada: But when one's physical strength...
Prabhupada: When one's physical strength... You...
Bhavananda: Everyone says, Srila Prabhupada, that liver is good, digestion is good, your heart is good.
Bhavananda: But you won't eat.
Tamala Krsna: But it's not a fact that you cannot eat, because when we gave you the enema, there was stool. Which shows that everything you ate turned into stool or was digested. The only problem was because of lack of energy or strength, you can't pass the stool out. But it's not a fact that it didn't get digested.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, please try. Srila Prabhupada, your presence on this planet is the only thing which is keeping the onslaught of the Kali-yuga from really taking effect. We have no idea even what will happen if you should leave.
Prabhupada: Now I am falling.
Prabhupada: Falling.
Prabhupada: Falling down. Try pass urine. [break]
Tamala Krsna: The urine is getting a little darker, Srila Prabhupada, again. In the last ten and a half hours you've only taken 150 cc's of any kind of drink. If you drink a lot, often, then the urine will become clear because the disease will get flushed out, plus your body will absorb some strength and you'll get the... You won't fall down. You'll get the determination to become better. The determination and strength won't come simply by laying there. It'll come as you drink more and as the disease goes away. I mean I can very easily say, "Don't make the effort. Let Krsna do with you what..." But I think Krsna is doing.
Prabhupada: What was the quantity of urine?
Bhavananda: Yesterday you took over 600.
Bhavananda: And this morning at 5:30 your urine was practically all clear.
Tamala Krsna: I mean we have to go on some basis, Srila Prabhupada. And from the... What we can see, we can see. Whatever you ate turned into stool. Now, that is a good sign. That's a good sign. If it didn't come out of its own accord, that's due to less strength. And by drinking a lot yesterday, this morning the urine becomes clear, and by taking those medicines. These are actual, factual things we can observe. One thing is, you don't feel able to sleep. That's a bad thing. And the other thing is your being so weak condition that your willpower is weakened. Your determination is weakened. So, so far as those two problems go, for sleeping I know that something can be given to help you to sleep. So far willpower, if you allow us to take care of you, then I think that should be the willpower. Of course, I mean we're not going to let them do anything bad. I mean I'm not going to let anybody take you to the hospital. I wouldn't have done it in London, except that you yourself said we should do it. Otherwise your instruction's told to everybody, "Don't let them take me to a hospital." So we're not thinking like that. Neither I'm going to let anybody put any..., take any blood specimen, any of those things. It's not required. These things which they're giving you will not... The only harmful effect is that you cannot sleep. But that can be given. To help you sleep can be helped. Otherwise this kaviraji medicine, it may be less agitating to take, but does it actually work? Now for nearly half a day you have drank only one time a little bit. But you want us to take care of you and help you, then I think you should accept these... I mean they're very reasonable arguments.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, in the Gita, in one purport you say in the beginning when you undergo treatment, even when you're jaundiced the sugar candy is very bitter. These slight side effects are bitter for you, but if you keep taking the treatment, we know that that will eventually clear up.
Prabhupada: This light massage he is doing...
Prabhupada: ...it is giving me comfort.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: Dr. Ghosh said no massage. The other doctor says, "No, what is the harm?"
Bhavananda: Dr. Gopal.
Tamala Krsna: One thing that we have seen is that when Dr. Ghosh and Dr. Gopal talk, they disagree on a number of points. Someone pointed out that Dr. Ghosh is a little bit old-fashioned. He's not so much up-to-date any more. He's eighty-two years old. Just like he gave recommendation for when you wash your mouth, using hydrogen peroxide. Now, Dr. Gopal stated hydrogen peroxide is very cleansing, but nowadays they make things which are not so strong and without harmful effects of hydrogen peroxide. But because Dr. Ghosh is a little old-fashioned, he's not aware so much of these things.
Prabhupada: So? They disagree?
Prabhupada: So which is correct?
Bhavananda: Dr. Gopal, Srila Prabhupada, he recommended this medicine, and you took this medicine yesterday. And he recommended increase the liquids...
Bhavananda: ...and this morning you had clear urine. So...
Bhavananda: And he also was able to analyze your inability to eat and drink as a result of this poisoning from the kidney infection. So he was able to diagnose fairly accurately.
Tamala Krsna: I think, from everybody's point of view, this Dr. Gopal, factually speaking, seemed more up-to-date and able to diagnose correctly according to allopathic standards than Dr. Ghosh. Dr. Ghosh... After all, this allopathic medicine is still a developing science. So Dr. Ghosh's knowledge of it cannot be as up-to-date as someone who's younger.
Bhavananda: Dr. Ghosh was insistent, he wanted you to take Lassix. And Dr. Gopal said, "No, no. Lassix is too strong. There is a new dialysis medicine, very, very, very gentle and mild," he said.
Bhavananda: Never heard of it.
Abhirama: They both agreed on it was the same disease.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. They agree that the disease is the same. They understand what the disease is, and they both agree on that. But as to treatment, Dr. Gopal seems to be more aware of the more modern and up-to-date discoveries that science has made than Dr. Ghosh. Dr. Ghosh is aware, more or less, of things which were available ten or twenty years ago.
Bhavananda: We can go and see Dr. Gopal this morning.
Bhavananda: And explain to him that you've had some restless reaction to this medicine and get his opinion and new diagnosis, new medicines, if necessary. And for your liquid intake, if you can take just four glasses of Complan in one day, plus some juice now and then, it won't be so much, so many times you'll have to be bothered. They all recommended that Complan is the very best.
Prabhupada: Hmm? What?
Bhavananda: Is there some bad effect to it that you feel, Srila Prabhupada, when you take that?
Prabhupada: Not yet, but when it becomes mucus.
Prabhupada: The chana was nothing. So? What do you want to do now?
Prabhupada: You give me Complan.
Prabhupada: When I don't take anything, I feel more comfortable.
Prabhupada: So let me die peacefully.
Prabhupada: But if I become discomfortable, that will be...
Bhavananda: But your urine is cloudy again.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be... If you leave me to my fate, I'll feel comfortable.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: Now I am puzzled.
Prabhupada: Puzzled.
Prabhupada: Anyway, what can be done? You give me that preparation?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: Where is Giriraja?
Prabhupada: Where he is?
Brahmananda: He's here.
Prabhupada: No.
Prabhupada: Who has sent the conveyance?
Prabhupada: To whom?
Prabhupada: I wanted to speak to you all. Therefore I was asking Giriraja.
Prabhupada: To you all.
Prabhupada: So?
Prabhupada: You repeat what I have...
Prabhupada: And one thing... Just now I am forgetting. And don't try to make preparation in the temple. Order the foodstuff from confectioner. Have good stock and distribute.
Prabhupada: Sweets. There are many nice sweet supplier in Bombay. Order them... [break] How do you like this idea?
Giriraja: It's very good idea, except that we feel that you should personally be present.
Prabhupada: So I am giving the idea. Ha. [groans] Haaa!
Prabhupada: So what shall I do?
Prabhupada: That soft kirtana.
Prabhupada: ...thakur re.[?] I want association of Vaisnava. You are all pure Vaisnava. You have sacrificed everything, material comforts, for Krsna's sake. That is Vaisnava. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.1.11]. You have no other desire. You Europeans, Americans, you are born amongst material desires. And when you become free from material desires... Therefore you are all Vaisnava, anyabhilasita-sunyam [Cc Madhya 19.167]. So you are so merciful. Where Tamala gone?
Prabhupada: So, you are taking care of that conveyance?
Jayapataka: Because you are a paramahamsa, Srila Prabhupada, you are seeing everyone else as surrendered to Krsna. But only by your mercy, you are forcing us to serve Krsna.
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. One Bengali gentleman has come from New York?
Prabhupada: So I have deputed some of you to initiate? Hmm?
Prabhupada: So I think Jayapataka can do that if he likes. I have already deputed. Tell him.
Prabhupada: So, deputies, Jayapataka's name was there?
Prabhupada: So I depute him to do this at Mayapur, and you may go with him. I stop for the time being. Is that all right?
Prabhupada: This initiation. I have deputed the..., my disciples. Is it clear or not?
Giriraja: It's clear.
Prabhupada: You have got the list of the names?
Prabhupada: And if by Krsna's grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It is not good. Hmm? Hmm? [whispering between devotees]
Giriraja: We will explain to him so he will understand, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Giriraja: I said we will explain to the Bengali gentleman just as you have described to us, so that he'll be satisfied with this arrangement. [break]
Prabhupada: And Dr. Ghosh has his scheme, but actually the scheme is there in the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. We want to introduce that scheme to our gurukula. We haven't got to manufacture scheme. Is that correct?
Giriraja: Yes.
Prabhupada: Let them learn to rise early in the morning and cleanse. This is the first scheme. This will keep their health nice. Catur-varnyam maya srstam [Bg 4.13]. Unless in the human society the varnasrama system is introduced, no scheme or social order, health order or any order, political order, will be successful.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Traigunya-tad-visaya-veda-vitayamana. The maya, maya hi yasya jagad-anda-satani sute [Bs 5.41]. Hundreds of universes. Maya hi yasya jagad-anda-satani sute traigunya. This is made of three gunas. And Bhagavan, sattvavalambi-para-sattva-visuddha-sattvam. In that existence there is no material contamination. [pause] The Bengal government for Panihati, what is their decision?
Jayapataka: At Panihati they have asked us to rewrite a letter. We have already written a letter to the chairman of the Municipality. And they are going to take up the matter. After our first application, then the governments have changed. And the Municipality was previously managed by a government administrator. Now the government administrator has been removed, and they have replaced the municipal commissioners. So the chairman of the Municipality, he requested us to write a letter, and he will follow up the matter. Bhakti-caru Swami and Sarvabhavana dasa met him. They said that he was favorably disposed, but he was not aware of the matter. So since then we have given him a letter. It will take some time to get a reply.
Prabhupada: The government changes and everything changes.
Jayapataka: In India things are very unstable. Government changes and everything is in the air for some time. The local people of Panihati were very eager to have it developed, so it should not be difficult. They have repeatedly requested you... When there is public desire...
Prabhupada: But unless we get authority...
Jayapataka: We'll get the clear title. Otherwise we won't do anything.
Prabhupada: We have to invent some word[?] for... Act very cautiously. Who are present here now?
Prabhupada: So, if you want, you can give me little fruit juice. Will that satisfy you? Hmm?
Giriraja: "Are you satisfied?"
Prabhupada: I have taken that.
Prabhupada: No. If I take a little fruit juice.
Bhavananda: Oh, yes, yes. And, Srila Prabhupada, if you could just take a little of that medicine. I spoke to Dr. Ghosh, and he said that we'll cut down the amount of the medicine. Bhakti-caru has made it up. Just take a moment to take, and then we can take with the fruit juice.
Bhavananda: They say yes, it's fresh now. Grape juice.
Prabhupada: ...the massage is giving me relief. [sound of mosquito flying]
Prabhupada: The mosquitoes, they are warning.
Prabhupada: That oil creates some ant.
Prabhupada: ...softly and chant Hare Krsna.
Hamsaduta: We'll put it in his room [referring to Dr. G. Ghosh]. [end]
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