770726R1.VRN
770726R1.VRN
770726R1-Vrindavan [44:08 Minutes]
I'll be very pleased if you keep the principles
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Gaurasundara: ...just wanted to come and see you for a while.
Prabhupada: Why not stay here for some time?
Gaurasundara: She's in Hawaii.
Prabhupada: So what are your activities now?
Prabhupada: Very good.
Gaurasundara: Feast program.
Prabhupada: May Krsna help you. How many inmates are there?
Gaurasundara: Right now there's about one dozen people in the farm, and on Sundays maybe forty, fifty people coming for feast.
Prabhupada: Very good. You are my old disciple. So I'll be very pleased if you keep the principles-it doesn't matter wherever you live-and spread Krsna conscious wherever you feel happy, and do not forget the real business. [referring to woman devotee] She is helping you?
Gaurasundara: Yes, very much. She's doing all the pujari work and taking care of the Deities.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Gaurasundara: Pujari. Making clothes.
Prabhupada: How big the Deities are?
Gaurasundara: Right now we have small brass Deities. But this time I'd like to get marble, marble Deities to bring back.
Prabhupada: From Jaipur. You are going to Jaipur? No.
Gaurasundara: Yes. I think if I can take a few days I'll go and order Deities.
Prabhupada: How big?
Gaurasundara: I would like to be able to carry Them back on the airplane. I don't know how big I can carry Them, but I'll see.
Prabhupada: I think there is no need of changing Deity.
Gaurasundara: Leave small?
Prabhupada: Huh? You have got?
Gaurasundara: Small.
Prabhupada: Small.
Gaurasundara: Yes.
Prabhupada: Because you are maintaining the temple as private. So make nice clothes, decorations.
Gaurasundara: Yes, we are doing. We have...
Prabhupada: High place. There is no need of big [indistinct]. Deity is small Krsna or big Krsna, the same thing. When Krsna was child on the lap of His mother, the same Krsna killed Putana. And when He was killing other demons in His young age, the same. Avyaya. He does not change. Acyuta. These are the names of Krsna, you'll find. So it does not make any difference. So you have got small Deity. Very nicely... So you can bathe Them nicely, decorate Them nicely, give Them... And big Deity, it will be difficult to handle. Better keep this Deity and increase the devotional. That will be... More time devoted for taking class, for cleansing the... About Srimad-Bhagavatam consider. That is main business.
If you simply worship the Deity in gorgeous way but do not preach, see to the interest of devotees and other common men, then you'll remain in the prakrta state, material stage. You should go further: see the interest of ordinary people, how they are understanding Krsna consciousness. Tad-bhaktesu. To give worship to the guru and honor them. Simply to worship Deity is material platform. Grhasthas, we want, this preaching. And not like ordinary. Big Deity worship... [indistinct-much background noise] Krsna will help by taking class, teaching [indistinct]. See the atmosphere, and practize what we preach. Purified program. Govinda dasi is not willing to live with you?
Gaurasundara: No. I think she's... I have heard that she's married again. But anyway, she has not been in touch with me.
Prabhupada: Oh. Never mind. These are all material things. It should be more than that. This Krsna consciousness means forgetting material things, coming to Krsna. Now forget your past misdeed and take to Krsna consciousness gradually. Deity worship is the first work, step. How many dresses you have prepared for the Deity? What is the name of?
Woman devotee: They each have twenty-two.
Prabhupada: Very good. Ornaments?
Gaurasundara: Yes.
Prabhupada: You can take supply from...
Gaurasundara: Yes, we are getting more things here.
Prabhupada: From where?
Gaurasundara: In Loi Bazaar.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Gaurasundara: Loi Bazaar.
Prabhupada: No, you can take from...
Prabhupada: He has got also Deity..., all ornament. Anyway, in Hawaii where you are living, that is quite comfortable. Eh?
Gaurasundara: It's in the country.
Prabhupada: Seaside?
Gaurasundara: A few miles up on the side of the mountain. About one thousand feet elevation.
Prabhupada: All the inmates, they are following rules and regu...
Gaurasundara: Oh, yes, yes.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Gaurasundara: One other boy came with me.
Prabhupada: He has come here?
Gaurasundara: He has come, yes. Very good boy. They're all very...
Prabhupada: No intoxication?
Gaurasundara: No, no intoxication.
Prabhupada: [chuckles] Be intoxicated with Krsna. [aside:] So you have given them a room?
Prabhupada: Any other business? Eh?
Prabhupada: You came here before.
Gaurasundara: Today?
Prabhupada: No, no. Before.
Gaurasundara: Yes. Last November.
Prabhupada: How you like this temple?
Gaurasundara: Very nice. Beautiful. And that school is very nice, gurukula.
Prabhupada: We require a large amount of money. If possible, try to contribute. What is your source of income?
Gaurasundara: Not so much income. Some donations, and we have a farm. We're selling produce.
Prabhupada: If you can, try to. Cows you have?
Gaurasundara: Yes.
Prabhupada: What is the news of our Hawaii?
Prabhupada: No.
Devotee: [indistinct]
Gaurasundara: Yes. In Honolulu. This is by the ocean. This is near the ocean.
Prabhupada: President, what is the name?
Prabhupada: He is doing nice? He has...
Gaurasundara: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Only one car?
Gaurasundara: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: So you also joined?
Gaurasundara: No, I was leaving to come here at that time, but the pictures were given to me to show you. [break]
Prabhupada: ...children?
Gaurasundara: Yes. It's very nice. There are very many people taking part.
Prabhupada: So it was taken from our temple to seaside?
Gaurasundara: Yes.
Prabhupada: A long distance.
Gaurasundara: Yes. All through Waikiki. Very many people are in Waikiki, the tourists and regulars.
Prabhupada: Hmm. Very good.
Gaurasundara: I didn't see him.
Dr. Kapoor: These boys are doing very good work. How much enthusiasm they are putting in.
Prabhupada: There is two, three groups working in the Communist country. So we are getting very encouraging report, especially for Bhagavatam and Caitanya-caritamrta. So what is the price of four thousand sets at eight hundred rupees?
Prabhupada: So beyond imagination. [laughter]
Prabhupada: We printed Caitanya-caritamrta, twenty thousand copies. Out of that, five thousand copies are already sold, and we have collected at least forty lakhs of rupees. And India also we are getting orders even from Bangladesh, Dacca, Dacca University. So by Prabhupada's asirvada [blessings] things are going very encouraging. What we have sold in the last one week? The last report?
Dr. Kapoor: Staggering figures.
Prabhupada: Fifty-one thousand, five dollars each. How it...? What is the...?
Prabhupada: Two hundred fifty thousand dollars. And if you exchange in rupees?
Prabhupada: In one week. So unimaginable.
Dr. Kapoor: I don't think any other publisher...
Prabhupada: No, we are the first publisher in the world. That is already recognized.
Dr. Kapoor: Where? In the quality of printing or in the amount of sales?
Dr. Kapoor: This is solid work.
Prabhupada: Hmm. Now we are going to hold Bhaktivedanta Institute scientific meeting. What is that? Where is that paper? Bombay. Scientifically presenting, among the scientists.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Dr. Kapoor: I think they should attack the very basic concept of science.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Dr. Kapoor: The very basic concept of science should be attacked, the molecules and the atoms. They say life comes out of molecules. But what, according to modern science, are molecules themselves? You see, before...
[break] ...molecules disappear. As a matter of fact, particle disappears, you see. What remains...
Prabhupada: Oh, they knew... They have written... That they have denied. It is not chemical-physical.
Dr. Kapoor: The scientists themselves admit that what remains in the last analysis is something akin to consciousness, and not what we call matter or particle. Even supposing life comes out of molecules...
Prabhupada: So he has met many scientists.
Dr. Kapoor: It is a consciousness, you see. The life after all comes from life. There should be great attack.
Prabhupada: [Transl. These things we are arranging. Let us see what the desire of the Lord is.] We are inviting.
Dr. Kapoor: Such enthusiasm because you are giving them transcendental injections.
Prabhupada: This boy was stubborn atheist.
Prabhupada: And he was walking with me on the seaside, and I was chastising, kicking him and refuting. [laughs] Now he has organized this Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Dr. Kapoor: He came to see me last time in connection with some journal, some new journal that he was going to bring out. What about that journal now?
Prabhupada: Sa-vijnanam.
Dr. Kapoor: Sa-vijnanam.
Dr. Kapoor: Why not vijnana alone?
Dr. Kapoor: So you want to distinguish it from ordinary science.
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Where?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In Bombay, these people are arranging that.]
Prabhupada: So they wanted to hold this conference here, and later on, we decided Bombay... [Transl. As we already have a big institution there. If we hold it there, many scientists can participate.] Let them decide.
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. Yes.] That is the most suitable place for this kind of...
Prabhupada: Many... He has met with big, big institute, Bose Institute, head of the, and they are appreciating, "Yes, please go on describing."
Prabhupada: Caitanyera dayara katha karaha vicara . [Transl. So who will consider? This is the point of consideration. Vicara karile citte pabe camatkara. So who should we approach for consideration?] No sentimentalist. "Come on, scientist." Caitanyera dayara katha karaha vicara. Vicara karile citte pabe... Vicara...
[Transl. Who will judge?] High-court judges.
[Transl. We are trying like this. The result is in the Lord's hand.] But so far, it is encouraging.
[Transl. Anyway we are not afraid. No matter how big scientist you are, come and discuss.]
Prabhupada: Hmm? Yes.
Dr. Kapoor: What is that?
Prabhupada: He is grandson of Ford, great-grandson.
Dr. Kapoor: Yes, I was told. He came here once, I'm told.
Tamala Krsna: So he offered everything he has to Prabhupada. So Srila Prabhupada has requested him to build a large building and to put in a Vedic planetarium in Washington, D.C., capital of the United States, right near the White House, with the Vedic planetary system according to the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Fifth Canto. So he has agreed to do this, and now they are choosing the property where they will develop this program right in the heart of Washington, D.C. So it will be very good. And also the dolls will be... Doll exhibit.
Prabhupada: How they are making dolls, show him.
Prabhupada: How nice dolls.
Dr. Kapoor: Oh.
Prabhupada: I brought them here and kept them in Mayapur.
Dr. Kapoor: Accha, and they got the training there.
Prabhupada: And they have learned now. Now they are making better dolls than the Krishnanagar potters. They are very intelligent.
Dr. Kapoor: Very intelligent.
Prabhupada: The intelligence was not properly used. Now they have got chance. Bhagavata it is said, sarasvati jnana-khale yatha sati [SB 10.2.19]. This knowledge, why it should be locked up amongst the jnana-khala? In India this knowledge is available, and they should be packed up amongst themselves? Now it is the time to distribute.
Dr. Kapoor: Good doll. Very lifelike, huh? I first thought this was your photo.
Prabhupada: Oh, they have made a statue-I am writing books like this, moving.
Dr. Kapoor: [laughing] Oh.
Prabhupada: Give him.
Prabhupada: All right, wait.
Dr. Kapoor: Thank you.
Dr. Kapoor: That's all right. Later on. [break]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Even when I am gone these people will continue.]
Dr. Kapoor: [Transl. There is no reason as to why they cannot carry on. They have tremendous enthusiasm and missionary spirit. That will keep them active.]
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: ...without any venue. That is something. "And what is this? This is [indistinct]?" Sarcastically, humorously... Why people are becoming so rascal?
Prabhupada: Yes. Less than a cockroach.
Prabhupada: That is it. And when it has got some wings, it flies.
Prabhupada: Or meditate. It is humorously liked. Handpaper, it was published by the Times. [break] ...for chanting Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: No. And all others, "Bring money." And still, they're ludicrous. And here big, big scholars, professors, universities, they are welcoming our books.
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