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Prabhupada: ...Visvanatha Cakravarti has discussed. The Krsna consciousness is so easy: man-mana bhava mad-bhakto, four principles. [Bg 18.65] Why people do not take to it? [background talking] Hmm? What is that?

Harikesa: He just wanted to know if someone was allowed to come for darsana.

Prabhupada: Yes, let them come. This time, five to seven?

[conchshell sounds]

Sastriji: Hari om sahasra-sirsa purusa sahasraksah…

Indian devotee: [Transl. This B.R. Kundu, he is one of our…] [break]

Prabhupada: Srimad-bhagavata-dharma is for the person who is not jealous. Paramo nirmatsaranam [SB 1.1.2]. This very word is used in the beginning, that "This bhagavata-dharma is meant for persons who is not jealous." Otherwise the material whole world is full of jealousy. Even during the time of Krsna there was Paundra, out of jealousy. And there were so many. Beginning from Krsna's birth the asuras, they were jealous: "How to kill Krsna." This is the whole mat... Even in the higher planetary system the jealousy is there, asuras and the devas, devasura. So our business is, as instructed by Caitanya Mahaprabhu, trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna. This jealousy will go on. Therefore one has to learn how to tolerate jealousy. Kirtaniyah sada harih .

If one wants to push on this saṅkirtana movement... Prabhupada... We are insignificant creature. So many persons. You cannot avoid it. The best way is to learn how to tolerate. That is very nice. Otherwise Caitanya Mahaprabhu not have said taror api sahisnuna. That is the best. So we are not like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, neither like Prabhupada, and we shall have to learn to tolerate.

Indian devotee: [Transl. During Prabhupada's time there used to be so many oppositions.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Just see! If they were against him then there must be against me also.]

Indian devotee: [Transl. Must be.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I am nothing.]

Indian devotee: [Transl. Disturbances must be there. The way you are doing good to others there must be opposition. Opposition groups, anti social elements must be there, but who will diminish your glories? Perhaps some day they will understand.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Understand or not understand what I have taken up, whether they understand or not, I am simply trying to serve my guru.]

Indian devotee: [Transl. No, no. I think many persons have now realised. Those who have realised they are now accepting that this is noble work. We are happy about it.]

Prabhupada: It is clearly written in the Caitanya-caritamrta that krsna sakti vina nahe krsna nama pracarana . So even they have no common sense, what can be done?

Indian devotee: [Transl. They must accept that it is definitely krsna-sakti.]

Prabhupada: No, no, this formula, that this is something new in the history of the world, and still they are jealous, what is this? They are finding fault. In Vrndavana, Nrsimha-vallabha Gosvami, you know? He comes to me. He says, "So many people are jealous upon you." I say that "First of all you create something like me; then you become jealous." [Transl. For that they have no guts.]

Indian devotee: [Transl. I hope, Maharaja, within a very short time everything will be favourable to you. I see some symtoms like that.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. That's why I just keep quiet.]

Indian devotee: [Transl. Those who are against will come in your favour. There has been a huge change in their attitude in recent times. I have made a thorough inquiry about this and found that peoples' mentality has…]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Whether they change or not I myself become surprised.]

Indian devotee: [Transl. They are your Godbrothers. You don't keep any ill feeling against them, that will make your Gurudeva-Prabhupada happy.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No, no. I am never jealous of them. But the only thing is that the way they dictate me is very humiliating. Why should they dictate me?] First of all let them become like me. Then... [Transl. On equal level there should be friendship.The senior, he will dictate. And one who is junior he should obey. This is the process. Why those who are neither equals nor seniors, should dictate? How can I tolerate that?]

Indian devotee: [Transl. That I understand.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Why do they want to dictate? This is their foolishness. Who will dictate? The one who is superior.] The superior, he will dictate. And those who are equals, they live like friends. And those who are juniors, they should follow and obey. This is the vaisnava etiquette. Those who are neither equal nor higher how they can dictate? That is their mistake. Either first of all become higher than him-then you dictate or you be equal with him-then you suggest. You are lower and you want to dictate? What is this nonsense? [Transl. Do you understand? This is the process. And they don't even know the process.] By standard, one who is lower, they want to dictate.

Indian guest: [Transl. The situation here is that we express our opinion about Prabhupada before learned circles, and they agree and accept it.]

[loud conchshell]

Prabhupada: Bas. [laughter] Hare Krsna. Hmm.

Indian guest: [Transl. Radha-ramana, M.L.A…]

Prabhupada: [aside:] [Transl. Put it down.]

Indian guest: [Transl. …in our Navadvipa constituency. I told him in the Congress office that you are a representative ISKCON Prabhupada. He said, yes, I will visit. But how will I recognise? I said here is his photograph. But one thing is that Jayapataka Maharaja doesn't like Radha-ramana. So he made a condition that he cannot be photographed. But what I want is that let both of them be photographed together. Anyway, that can be done.

I told Radha-ramana, my dear brother, first of all make a thorough research. Those who have sacrificed everything for the sake of the holy name, who were once absorbed in sense gratification and comfortable lifestyle, who were born and brought up in that environment but now have given up simply by the good association of Prabhupada, and we suspect them! How is it? We should carefully think and understand. I literally grabbed his hand, but he didn't come.] [break]

Prabhupada: They may be very big visioner. [Bengali proverb. Meger kache peger badai. Argus at home but mole abroad] Just like a cock. Meger kache peger badai. To the wife bla, bla, bla…But when it goes out then, do what you want, do what you want. Gets its throat cut. That's all. Just like that. What is the use of bragging in front of dependents? First of all go out and preach the teachings of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.] Prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama .

[Transl. They are coming from all over the world.] A pakka mature Vaisnava like you, to find out faults, what is this? [Transl. People approach Radharani, I heard if anyone approaches Radharani, Radharani will not mind who he is. What do you say? Why do people approach Radharani? 'Radhe Radhe'. Because if Radharani recommends Krsna then your life is successful. She doesn't mind. "Oh he is a good devotee!" She is adosa-darsi: one who does not find faults with others. She cannot even conceive that one can commit mistake.] They have not united; they have disunited. And here, practically you see all religions, all nations, all persons, all philosophy. Everything is there. [Transl. They have come from America. Did I bribe them to bring here?] They have come with their life. [Transl. People don't realize this.]

Indian guest: [Transl. They put on saffron cloth, tilaka marks, neck beads and look happy. It is unjust to attack them.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. They say CIA.]

Indian guest: [Transl. This is their fault.] [sarcastically]

Prabhupada: [Transl. CIAs, becoming devotees, giving up even tea and bidi, dancing and chanting, are spying here! Just see how less common sense they have.] They haven't got even common sense.

Indian guest: [Transl. I have arranged for your welcome in Krsnananagar. Anyone who will oppose…] [break]

Prabhupada: ...on behalf of Krsna, so all the money should be given to us. The money actually belongs to Krsna. You, by tricks, you are holding it. [knock] Yes? [Transl. Please come in. Are you well?]

Indian man: [Transl. Yes, I am well.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Sit down, sit down.]

Indian man: [Transl. According to your permission I went to the Governor's house…] [break] [end]