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Bhagavata: ...explaining to them the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and pure devotional service so that they may go back to home, back to Godhead, and become liberated from the realms of birth and death in this material world.

Prabhupada: Is that all right, what he said? So, how to help them?

Devotee: First we give them the chanting, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Devotee: First we give them the maha-mantra.

Prabhupada: Maha-mantra, one may not accept.

Bhagavata: We have to find the ways and the means by which we can make pure devotional service attractive to each living entity according to his particular...

Prabhupada: Unless one feels necessity, why they will accept your proposal, "Chant Hare Krsna"? How you'll make them feeling, "Yes, it is necessary"? That is wanted. Otherwise, anyone will say, some proposition, "You do this." Then why they will accept it?

Devotee: Hmm. We have to make...

Prabhupada: Unless he feels that... That requires philosophy. If you say something dogmatic, why they'll accept? You say that "You chant Hare Krsna," he'll say, "I have no interest. I have no interest. Why shall I chant Hare Krsna?"

Devotee: Tell them that they are eternal spirit soul.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Devotee: You tell them that you are eternal spirit soul. Tell them about the eternal spiritual world, the eternal spiritual...

Prabhupada: That you have to convince, that "You are eternal, but you are falsely engaged in temporary business." That you have to tell them.

Bhagavata: We have to give them knowledge. Knowledge consists of telling them what is the field, who is the knower of the field, and who is the super-knower of the field. Once they get knowledge, knowledge is the preliminary step to executing devotional service. Once they have knowledge, then they will be able to execute devotional service. And Rupa Goswami says that one who executes devotional service in knowledge, he increases his knowledge. Therefore the first thing is we should give them knowledge, and knowledge means to understand this body, the owner of the body and the supreme owner of the body, Krsna. Purusa prakrti caiva ksetra ksetrajnam eva ca.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

"What is the field; what is the purusa, the enjoyer; what is prakrti, nature; what is the ksetra, the field; what is the ksetrajna, the knower of the field; what is knowledge; and what is the end of knowledge. These things I wish to know," icchami.

Prabhupada: Very good.

Bhagavata: And Krsna answers him. He says that idam sariram kaunteya-"My dear Kunti, sariram, this body, ksetrajna..., ksetrajnam..." [Bg 13.2]

Prabhupada: Not "My dear Kunti."

Bhagavata: "My dear son of Kunti."

Prabhupada: Yes.