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Amogha: Yah tasya... Yah sastra.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Amogha: I can't see it.

Prabhupada: Y-a-...

Amogha: Oh, yah, yah.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yah sastra.

Amogha: I thought j.

[pause]

I don't see it. I don't see it. Yah sastra..

Prabhupada: There is no yah?

Amogha: There's ya nisa sarva-bhutanam.

Prabhupada: That is ya, ya. That is j-a, ya nisa, no, y-a. Yes. So y-a-h, yah.

Amogha: Y-a-h.

Prabhupada: Then sastra.

Amogha: Yah sastra vidhim...

Prabhupada: Hah!

Amogha: Sixteen, verse 23.

Prabhupada: Utsrjya, vidhim utsrjya, yes. Find out that.

Amogha: Chapter Sixteen, verse twenty-three. Shall I read it?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Amogha:

Prabhupada: Translation. Translation, read.

Amogha: "But he who discards scriptural injunctions, and acts according to his own whims, attains neither perfection nor happiness nor the supreme destination."

Prabhupada: That's it. [Hindi] ...bogus, bogus. This is statement of Krsna. Can you give us the statement of Krsna? And accept some foolish statement. So Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He's also giving reference to the sastra, yah sastra. He can say anything, everything, He's God Himself; but still He gives reference to the sastra. So anyone who's speaking against the injunction of the sastra, he's a bogus. There is another verse, find out: tasmad sastra pramanam te. Tasmad, t-a-s-m-a-d.

Amogha: Tasmad...

Prabhupada: Sastra.

[pause as devotees look for verse] Tasmad sastra...

Amogha: I see tasmad sarvesu kalesu, but I didn't see sastra.

Prabhupada: [indistinct] In the same Sixteenth Chapter, you will find this verse, tasmad. After that.

Amogha: It says t-a-s-m-a-c, tasmac sastra...

Prabhupada: It is really tasmad; it has become c, and by sandhya. Tasmac-chastra.

Amogha: Word-by-word it is tasmad.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Amogha: But together [indistinct].

Prabhupada: By sandhya it becomes c. That is [indistinct]. The original word is tasmad. Then? What is the translation?

Amogha: Translation: "One should understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations one should act so that he may gradually be elevated."

Prabhupada: They have manufactured different types of religion, different types of philosophy. All these-Radhaswami, [indistinct], Jains, Sikhs, they have manufactured. [indistinct] And our Vedic regulation is anyone who does not accept the sastra... Just like such a great personality as Buddha, simply he said that "I do not follow the Vedic principles." That Buddhism could not flourish, although Buddhism began from India. Lord Buddha was ksatriya king, [indistinct]. He started this movement. But because he did... Simply he said that "I do not accept your Vedas," immediately he was rejected... Such a great personality of [indistinct]. This is the sastra.

So anyone who does not follow the sastra... The essence of sastra is Bhagavad-gita. So anyone who studies Bhagavad-gita minutely will become perfect. These European, American boys, because they're strictly following the instruction of Bhagavad-gita, therefore [indistinct]. Only thing is they're following the footsteps, according to sastra. Sastra, everyone, in reality [indistinct] ... injunction without any malinterpretation. Otherwise, waste of time. Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. That is stated in the Bhagavata. Simply wasting time. [indistinct]

Christian religion has failed all over the world because they are neglected the sastric injunctions. Nobody goes to church. Churches, churches are now being sold. In London... Have you been in London? There are hundreds and thousands of churches, they're simply vacant; nobody goes there. Not only in England; in America. In America still they are going on, because there are followers, churches. But in England I have said, it is this... nobody goes. Very, very nice.

You have been to London? Oh, ...[indistinct] or Chursley [Chertsey?], there is one very aristocratic [indistinct]. Big, aristocratic man lived there. And that quarter there is a so excellent church, [indistinct] very big church, well constructed.

Now the church authority, desiring that somebody... He's imagining. He wanted to purchase that church. He's imagining that "This is such a nice church, so our... Government has sent somebody to take this church." He's thinking Americans may take... No. Why Americans will be interested to take the church as it is? But he's thinking like that. That means he wants to dismantle the church. But church now will not allow. But he's finding out some customer who will take the church some other place. So that, that quarter land is very valuable. So if the land is vacated, then you may have a little church, and other land he can utilize for himself. That is his proposition.

And so far purchasing the church, there may be, but others will purchase the church for dismantling and making a nice skyscraper building. They do not want that. Church law will not allow. We say that we shall not dismantle the church; we shall utilize it as temple. But he says... Crazy idea, I.... Never successful. But my point is that church is so excellent, huge amount of money has been spent, but nobody...?

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So I chastised them "fools and rascals" in a meeting, but they did not protest. They accepted my chastisement.

Amogha: Oh, you mean yesterday. Oh, that.

Prabhupada: Not yesterday. Today also.

Amogha: Tonight.

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Prabhupada: I used these words, strong words. Rascals fools.

Amogha: Yes. That's good. Oh, those... Yes. I had... No one spoke to me.

Prabhupada: But they offer respect.

Amogha: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: They were not irritated, otherwise they would not have...

Amogha: Yes. They must have accepted.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Amogha: They must have accepted. [end]