680702SB.MON
680702SB.MON
680702SB-Montreal [54:22 Minutes]
I am afraid of this material existence
औदिओ ॥
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Prabhupada:
This is Prahlada Maharaja praying. Prayers of Prahlada Maharaja is very important, most glorious prayer of Prahlada Maharaja. This is after the death of his father, Hiranyakasipu. When Lord Nrsimha appeared, half lion, half man, with terrible sounds, very gigantic form, and within a second He finished that gigantic demon Hiranyakasipu, the whole world became afraid. Even Laksmiji, constant companion of Lord Visnu, she also became afraid. When all the demigods assembled there-Lord Siva, Lord Brahma and Indra, and many other denizens of higher planets-they came to see why the Lord is so angry, and they tried to pacify Him. But He was still roaring just like a lion.
He was roaring because he could not tolerate that "My devotee has been so much tortured, this little boy, five years old. Simply for the reason that he is Krsna conscious, only for this fault, this rascal has tortured him so much." So everyone was afraid. Nobody could pacify Him. At that time Brahma-he is the supreme living entity of this universe-so intelligently, he pushed forward Prahlada Maharaja, "My dear boy, you just try to pacify your Lord, because the Lord has appeared to protect you, for you only. So we could not pacify Him. I think if you go forward and pray and pacify the Lord, He may agree." That is a fact.
So Prahlada Maharaja, he was not afraid. That will be explained in these verses, that when Lord asked him, "My dear Prahlada, are you afraid by seeing My these features?" he replied, "My dear Lord, I am not at all afraid, but I am afraid of this material existence." That is very nice explanation; we shall come. Now, he says humbly... Vaisnava is always humble. He did not think that "Oh, all other demigods failed to pacify the Lord. Now it is my turn, so how great I am, that I am superseding all these great demigods."
So this is the Vaisnava devotee's temperament: humble and meek. They, although they are always in the exalted position, they never advertise that "I am in exalted position." He is never puffed up. As you have read it, the author of Caitanya-caritamrta, such a great devotee, who could produce in his ripe old age such nice transcendental literature, which is certified by my Guru Maharaja as the postgraduate study of the devotees.
So Bhagavad-gita is the study for the neophytes, those who are entering, those who are trying to understand the science of God, for them. That means it is primary study. And after studying Bhagavad-gita, just like the boys, after passing the school final examination, they are allowed to enter into the degree college, similarly, one who has understood Bhagavad-gita very nicely and taken up the instruction, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg 18.66], such person is eligible to enter into the study of Srimad-Bhagavatam. He accepts Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is a preliminary qualification.
The beginning of devotional service is to accept Krsna as the Supreme. In the Caitanya-caritamrta it is also said that what is the beginning of devotional life. He has explained that sraddha. Devotion means... The Sanskrit word is sraddha: devotion, affection, affinity, attachment. So... Or faith. The faith word is generally understood. So what sort of faith? There are different kinds of faith. But Caitanya-caritamrta-kara, Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, he says that strong faith, not ordinary faith. Strong faith. What sort of strong faith? He has explained, sraddha sabde visvasa sudrdha niscaya [Cc Madhya 22.62].
So faith means unflinching faith without any deviation, with full understanding. What is that understanding? Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya: "One who engages himself in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord, Krsna, it is to be understood that he has finished all activities of auspicity." That means he has already finished or passed the examination of pious activities. Krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya. This is the beginning.
Unless one takes it firmly that "Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead..." And if anyone is engaged in the transcendental loving service of Krsna, then it is to be understood that he has done all pious activities. This is this faith, this kind of faith, unflinching faith. When we have got this unflinching faith, that is the beginning of Bhagavata life. Bhagavata life means devotional life, direct connection with the Supreme God. That is Bhagavata life.
So after one has got this unflinching faith, that "Simply by serving Lord Krsna, all religious activities or all pious activities are done," that faith is the last word of Bhagavad-gita. Bhagavad-gita is explained to Arjuna in so many ways. But ultimately, he comes to the point to Him Himself. When He explains the yoga system, He explains nicely the process, how to execute yoga performances, the sitting posture, the breathing posture and eating and sitting and place. Everything explained nicely. But at the end He says that,
There are different kinds of activities. So Krsna says, "Whatever you do, it doesn't matter." If somebody says that "I am a businessman," that's all right. "What is to be done?" "Now, you do business to your best capacity, but the profit give to Me. The profit is Mine." If you agree, then simply by doing business you become a great devotee.
The same example: just like Arjuna. He is a fighter. So how he became so great devotee? By fighting. By fighting for whom? For Krsna. "No. He fought for getting the kingdom." No, he did not fight for getting the kingdom. He said, "Better I shall forego. I don't want this kingdom by fighting with my relatives and..." He was very good man, but he agreed to fight for Krsna. He changed his decision.
Similarly, any work, if you do for Krsna, that is bhakti. Don't think that bhakti means simply chanting Hare Krsna and sitting down in one place. No. Bhakti means all kinds of activities. God is all-pervading; therefore bhakti is also all-pervading. From all spheres of life the devotional service can be done.
So these things are taught: those who are attached to work, for them; those who are attached to philosophy, for them; those who are attached to yoga system, for them; and those who are devotees, for them it is certainly. So from all angles of vision, when one comes to the point that krsne bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya [Cc Madhya 22.62], if one is engaged in the transcendental loving service of Krsna, then everything is perfect.
That is the conclusion of Bhagavata. Svanusthitasya dharmasya samsiddhir hari-tosanam [SB 1.2.13]. You... How you can test that the particular engagement in which you are occupied, whether it is successful or not? How it is to be tested? The Bhagavata gives you the formula. What is that, the formula? Now, samsiddhir hari-tosanam [SB 1.2.13]. You just try to see whether by your work Krsna, the Supreme Lord, has become satisfied. If you see that He is satisfied, then whatever work you are doing, either you are philosopher or a businessman or a scientist or anything, politician-there are so many occupational duties-but you have to test whether that is giving you real perfection. That test is that you have to see whether by your activity the Supreme Lord is satisfied. Then...
This is a great science. This is Krsna consciousness science. Simply... Therefore we have to take shelter of an expert. Just like a student goes to a school, and if he works on exercises and he puts before the teacher, and if the teacher says, "Yes, it is good," then he is successful; similarly, tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet [Mundaka Upanisad 1.2.12]:
You have to approach to a guru, or representative of Krsna, and if he says, "It is all right," then you know that Krsna is satisfied. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. You have to approach such a person whose certificate will ensure that Krsna will be satisfied. You have to find out such person. Then your life is successful. So that will also... You will get according to your sincerity of purpose, because Krsna is within you.
So after understanding Bhagavad-gita, if one becomes faithful that "I shall devote my life for service of Krsna," then he is eligible to enter into the study of Srimad-Bhagavatam. That means Srimad-Bhagavatam begins from the point where Bhagavad-gita ends. Bhagavad-gita ends at the point, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg 18.66]:
One has to surrender fully unto Krsna, giving up all other engagements. Always remember, all other engagement means not that you have to give up. You... Try to understand that Krsna said that "You give up everything and surrender unto Me." So that does not mean that Arjuna gave up his fighting capacity. Rather, he took to fighting more vigorously.
So "give up all other engagement" means don't take the fruit of your engagement. Give up. Just sacrifice the fruit of the engagement. That is to be given to Krsna. This is surrender. Just like a good boy surrendered to his father means whatever he earns, the money, at the end of month he puts in the hand of the father: "Oh, this is my month's earnings"; similarly, we have to sacrifice the fruits of our labor to Krsna. This is the beginning of Krsna consciousness.
And to develop that Krsna consciousness, just like when you have passed preliminary examination in the school, then you have to further enlightenment, further progress of advancement of education, you enter into the college, degree college, similarly, after finishing or understanding Bhagavad-gita very nicely, if you are convinced about Krsna, then study Bhagavad-gita [Bhagavatam], where the beginning is: namo bhagavate vasudeva. Vyasadeva begins by surrendering himself to Bhagavan, Krsna. Bhagavate vasudevaya. Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya janmady asya yatah. He is the origin of everything. Then Bhagavata begins.
And one who has understood Bhagavata, or he has made his relationship well established with Krsna and is functioning in that relationship, then he is passed on the subject matter of Bhagavata, and then you begin Caitanya-caritamrta. That is postgraduate study. After getting your degrees, as you try for your Ph.D. or M.A., similarly, Caitanya-caritamrta is like that, postgraduate study. And the author of the Caitanya-caritamrta, he places himself that "I am lower than the worm in the stool." Just see how humble.
This is the nature of Vaisnava. That is not artificial he says. Every Vaisnava thinks himself as very insignificant. Actually, every one of us is very insignificant in comparison to the Supreme Lord. What we are? Nothing. But if we establish our loving relationship, which is already there, then we will become the greatest. By relationship with the greatest, we become the greatest.
So artificially if we become puffed up, "I am God," we shall always remain in the position of a dog. We shall never be God. But actually if we feel ourself humble and meek servant of God, then we become more than God. Krsna is so kind that He treats His devotees more honorable than Himself. And He recommends to the devotees that mad-bhakta-pujabhyadhika [SB 11.19.21]: "My dear devotees, take it for granted that if you worship My devotees, that is more than My devotional service." Krsna recommends, and actually that is the fact, that Krsna is more pleased.
Just like... It is very natural. Just like one gentleman, he has got a little child, and if you try to please that little child, that gentleman automatically becomes pleased. You can please the child with two-cent-worth lozenges, and if the child is laughing and very pleased, his father immediately becomes pleased. But if you want to please the father, you will require at least two hundred dollars. So you can finish two hundred dollars' business with two cent.
Similarly, devotees are so nice that if you give him anything... Krsna... Krsna is also so nice that He will be pleased with anything offered. You offer little water, little flower, little... And devotees are still [indistinct]. If you simply offer a devotee little sweet words, oh, he is very pleased. You see? That is the nature of devotee. Devotee does not want anything from you. They simply want that you... Bhaktivinoda Thakura, he says... He has got a nice song, that "If you simply chant Hare Krsna, oh, I become sold to you." Nityananda Prabhu also said like that.
So to please a devotee is very nice. Therefore our process is to take shelter of a devotee. Directly we don't approach Krsna. Gopi-bhartur pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasa [Cc Madhya 13.80]. Therefore in Vrndavana you will see everyone is praising Radharani, because Radharani is very quickly pleased. And as soon as Radharani is pleased, Krsna is automatically pleased. This is the process.
So Prahlada Maharaja, although he is such a great devotee, he says that kim tostum arhati sa me harir ugra-jateh: "Oh, I am born of a father, demon." So naturally everyone presents himself in relationship with father. If your father is American, then you say, "I am American." If my father is Indian, I will say, "I am Indian." Similarly, he is born of a demon father, so he is presenting himself that "I am a demon. I am born of a demon father." Ugra-jateh. Ugra-jateh means... Ugra means violent. Demons are always violent.
So "I am born of a violent father. How can I please the Lord? The... Brahma, Lord Siva, and so many other demigods, they have failed to please, to pacify the Lord in His angry mood, and I am born a demon, or born of a demon father. So my position is so lower." Kim tostum arhati: "How can I please the Lord?" Ugra-jateh. Brahmadayah sura-ganah: "Where demigods like Brahma, munayo, great sages, and siddha..." Siddhas, they are the particular citizen of Siddhaloka. They are called siddhas.
There is a planet which is called Siddhaloka. There is description in the Srimad-Bhagavatam of the Siddhaloka in the Second Canto. Siddhaloka is a planet where the inhabitants can fly in the air without any machine, without any airplane. Just like bird can fly in the air without any machine, so the denizens of Siddhaloka, they can also fly in the air without any machine, without any airplane, and they can go from one planet to another. They are called siddhas. Siddha means they have got eight kinds of perfection.
The yoga system, those who are practicing yoga, their ultimate goal is to achieve eight kinds of perfection, not that simply exercising, finish. Actual yoga system means to attain eight kinds of perfection. What is that eight kinds of perfection? Oh, he can become the smaller than the smallest. I have several times explained: A perfect yogi, if you put him in lock-up, he will come out. He will become the smaller than the smallest and come out from the lock-up. I have seen it. So he can become greater than the greatest, smaller than the smallest, greater... Anima, laghima. Prapti: he can get anything whatever he likes, immediately. Prapti, siddhi, prakamya, isita, masita. There are so many kinds of yogic perfections.
So these siddhas, they can travel from one place to another, even ordinary yogis, those who have perfected. They take bath in the morning in four different pilgrimages in India. That means thousands of thousands miles away, and they finish it within one hour. They go and take bath, again come back. So these are yogic perfection. They are called siddhas.
So all the denizens of that particular planet, they are siddhas. Siddhas means they have got all these perfection of yoga practice. So they were also present, offering prayers; Brahma was present, Lord Siva was present, and great sages were present. All of them tried to pacify. And how they wanted to pacify? Sattvaikatana-gatayo vacasam pravahaih: they were very great, learned men. Immediately they began to compose in Sanskrit verses so many nice prayers, and they were all full of goodness, modes of goodness.
Sattvaikatana-vacasam pravahaih. Pravahaih means they prayed in such a fluent way, just like the river flows down without any check. That is the learned man. Just like a learned man will speak fluently for hours together, similarly, they were so learned scholar that they composed prayers in Sanskrit so nicely and began to speak just like flow of water.
So he says, sattvaikatana-gatayo vacasam naradhitum: "Still, they could not pacify the Lord." Naradhitum. Puru-gunair adhunapi pipruh: "Still, the Lord is not pacified. Still." Kim tostum arhati: "Then what can I do?" Where... There is an English word, "Where angels fail, the fools rush in." So "I am so lower. I am born of an atheistic father, demon. How can I please the Lord?" So this is the position.
So now how he will please the Lord we shall discuss in the next meeting. Thank you. [devotees offer obeisances]
So any question? [break]
Prabhupada: Oh. Bhaktivinoda Thakura is..., has composed a song that he is going all around the city begging alms. So he says that "I don't want anything from you. Simply you chant Hare Krsna, and that will be sufficient." So we can do also, following the footprints of Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Nityananda Prabhu. Amare kimlaha, laha gauraṅgera saṅge...
Nityananda Prabhu also said like that that you simply purchase Me by chanting Hare Krsna. This is the price. That's all.
Yes?
Guest: You mentioned these miracles. The only miracle [indistinct] a yogi who has gone beyond the material encagement. That is what the yogi is trying, is striving, to do, trying to go beyond the material nature. When one mentions miracles, it is surely a proof that he has actually transcended this material nature.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest: But why..., why are they trying to transcend material..., transcend material nature? Who is doing these miracles? Or why try to do [indistinct]? Why should human beings try to do [indistinct]?
Prabhupada: No. The yoga practice is like that. It is very good that "Why we should bother ourself with such things?" That is the opinion of the devotees. The devotee, they do not want any such miracles to perform or to make some jugglery to the people. They are satisfied with the service of the Lord. So that is the position of the devotee. But generally, the yogis, they want such things.
There are many instances of great yogis in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, just like Durvasa Muni. He wanted to show his power to Ambarisa Maharaja. That's a very nice story. I shall narrate next meeting. The yogis, everyone, yogis... Yoga practice is, therefore, it is more or less material achievement. Because when they are powerful to show some miracles and people become captivated, "Oh, he is performing such miracle thing."
In Benares, in India, there was a yogi, his business was anyone who will go there, he immediately produced two or four rasagullas and offer him. And many hundreds and thousands of educated men became his disciple simply for the matter rasagulla, which is only four annas-worth.
So people want to see this jugglery. And those who want following some or some material achievement, they want to show... Actually, it is a fact. Suppose if I could manufacture rasagulla by some mantra, Hare Krsna mantra, oh, thousands of people will come immediately. You see? People want to see, and those persons who want to have a cheap following, they want to show such jugglery. But a devotee is not of that mentality. They will simply..., humble servant. They are satisfied by serving the Lord. That is devotee's position.
So your statement, that "Why one should bother with these things?" that's a very nice proposal. Why? There is no necessity. Suppose if I can manufacture some rasagulla, what is the worth of this rasagulla? Oh, we can, if we spend ten cents, we can make it. So why shall I waste my energy for manufacturing rasagulla in the yoga system? Actually, therefore, Krsna says that the perfection of, real perfection of yoga, the first-class yogi is he who is always thinking of Krsna. That is first class. He is recommended.
"The first-class yogi is he who is always..." He never says that first-class yogi is he who can show this jugglery. No. That is not recommended.
Actually... And the yoga practice begins, samadhi. Real yoga practice is, after controlling the senses, the next stage is samadhi, concentrate the mind, focus the mind on Visnu always. Always thinking of Visnu, always seeing Visnu within himself. That is yoga practice. But by such practice, automatically one gains such powerful things, and when one gains such powerful power, they want to exhibit to get following for material achievement. But that is not the purpose of yoga. Yoga means to realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead and ultimately reach in His kingdom. That is the real purpose of yoga. [break]
Yes?
Devotee (1): When they perform these miracles, [indistinct] that is with their material body? Their material body performs?
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes?
Woman devotee: Why do you say that Jesus Christ performed so many miracles when he made.., he changed [indistinct] bread, fishes [indistinct], and you never say that Krsna performed any miracles. When Krsna lifted up Govardhana Hill, nobody said that was a miracle. But when Jesus Christ made so much food, they say it's a miracle. Why is that?
Prabhupada: The difference is that in Vrndavana they are pure devotees. They knew that "Oh, this is not a miracle for Krsna. Krsna can do anything and everything." So they were not surprised. If I lift one mountain, you will be surprised, because you know that "Swamiji is man. How he is lifting?" But they know that Krsna is all-powerful. [chuckles] So there was no surprise. It is just like natural work. They were so much affectionate to Krsna that... He was not only lifting; every day He was doing so much great performances.
And His boyfriends, they will come home, and they will narrate the story to their mothers: "Oh, Mother, today Krsna performed like this. There was a great demon, and He killed him immediately." And the mother will say, "Oh, Krsna did that? He is very nice boy, very nice." [laughter] Because they were so affectionate to Krsna, they always think, "Everything is possible for Krsna. Krsna is so nice. Krsna is so great." That is their idea. So that is not miracle. That is ordinary thing for us.
Just like Yasoda. Krsna's friends complained, "Mother Yasoda, Krsna has eaten earth. You gave Him sweetmeat, but He was not eating sweetmeat." You know, the boys, they complain each other and again make friends. So Yasoda was..., "Oh, Krsna, I gave You sweetmeats. You are eating earth?" "No, Mother. I have not eaten. They are telling false." And they were still, "Yes. We have seen, Mother, He has eaten."
Then Mother asked Him, "Oh, show Your face. Open Your mouth. I want to see." So He opened His mouth, and he [she] saw all the universe within His mouth-not only earth, the whole planets, sun and moon, and everything, within His mouth. Then she thought, "Oh, what I have seen? All right. Don't do it." That's all. [laughter] She is not at all surprised. She thought that "I saw something. Maybe I wrong or right. All right. Don't do it." That's all.
So they were so much affectionate to Krsna that Krsna's this jugglery could not enchant them. [chuckles] You see? Therefore Krsna said to the gopis that "Your love is so pure that it is not possible for Me to repay." Krsna is declaring insolvent to pay their debt. "You be satisfied with your love only. I cannot repay." That is the position of Krsna. Krsna and the residents of Vrndavana so affectionately connected that there is no such conception that "Krsna is God. Krsna can play wonderful things." They simply love Krsna. And out of love they forget everything: "All right. That's all right. That's all right." So that ecstasy of love is only possible in Vrndavana. [break]
Pradyumna: Is there a difference in the quality of service between a person who is..., just accepts outright Krsna, service to Krsna, and one who wants to scrutinize and inquire more and more about it, between someone who just accepts, "That's it, this and this," and someone who inquires more and more?
Prabhupada: One who loves Krsna without inquiry, that is nice position. To inquire about Krsna is knowledge. And pure devotion is transcendental to knowledge. Love does not depend on the greatness. If a boy loves a girl or the girl loves a boy, even in this material field, it does not depend on the greatness of the boy. Of course, here everything is on material consideration. But actual love is without any consideration, what He is or what she is. That is real love. That is the perfectional stage of love: without inquiring how great He is or what He is. But for the neophytes it is necessary to know about Krsna. Because we have no love, so if we understand that Krsna is so great, then gradually we can love Him.
Our position is different, because when... Therefore Caitanya-caritamrta, it is said that siddhanta boliya citte na kara alasa : "Try to understand about Krsna." Just like Krsna is explaining in Bhagavad-gita that "I am this amongst the trees. I am this. I am this planet. Amongst this, I am this. I am this." So just to impress upon the neophyte devotee about the greatness... And those who are advanced devotee, they do not want to see whether Krsna is great or small. They simply love Him. That's all. That is pure love. In Vrndavana, at least these gopis, they never saw Krsna's any jugglery or any greatness. But they still love, pure love.
Pure love means,
Without any cultivation of knowledge, without any activities of fruitive action, without any desire, simply to love Krsna in order to please Him-that is the highest perfectional stage of devotion. There is no consideration, "Whether Krsna is God or not. Whether we are getting benefit or not." "Simply we love Krsna." That is the perfectional stage. [break]
Prabhupada: This is the highest stage. The stage of the gopis or the cowherds boy playing with Krsna, oh, they are krta-punya-punjah. Many, many lives they have undergone many types of sacrifices, austerities, penances, and then they have come to that stage. That stage is not ordinary stage. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam Sukadeva Gosvami says,
ittham satam brahma-sukhanubhutya
dasyam gatanam para-daivatena mayasritanam nara-darakena sardham vijahruh krta-punya-punjah He is describing when Krsna was playing with His cowherds boy. So he is describing that "These cowherds boy-who are they? They are living entities who have amassed volumes and volumes of pious activities." Krta-punya-punjah. "After many, many lives, just like bank balance increases, similarly, one who has increased the balance of pious activities for many, many thousands of lives, oh, such persons are now playing with Krsna.
They have taken the body of these cowherds boy, transcendental, spiritual body, and just they are playing with Krsna. And who is Krsna?" Ittham satam brahma-sukhanubhutya: "The great saints and sages who are trying to understand the Supreme Brahman, here is Krsna. That Supreme Brahman is here, playing."
Ittham satam brahma-sukhanubhutya dasyam gatanam para-daivatena: "The impersonalist Brahman is... Because Krsna's effulgence is impersonal Brahman, so here is He." And dasyam gatanam: "Those who are devotees, those who have accepted Krsna as the master, for them here is Krsna." And mayasritanam nara-darakena: "And those who are materialistic-they simply think Krsna is ordinary boy or man-He is also there. But who are these boys? They are playing with the same person who is Brahman, who is Bhagavan, or who is ordinary man, according to different calculation. But these boys who are playing with Him, they have accumulated many, many lives' heaps of pious activities." They are not ordinary men.
So all these gopis, all the cowherds boy in Vrndavana, they are not ordinary living entities. They have approached that stage after many, many pious activities. Yesam tv anta-gatam papam [Bg 7.28]. After brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kaṅksati [Bg 18.54]. Their position is different. Therefore they have reached that unalloyed stage: without any consideration, simply loving Krsna. That stage they have passed already. There is no such consideration. Pure love. That is pure love. Pure love means anyabhilasita-sunyam jnana-karmady-anavrtam [Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.1.11].
So it is not a thing that one should attain the transcendental loving platform of Krsna by studying. No. Vina mahat-pada-rajo 'bhisekam [SB 5.12.12]. It can be achieved by the grace of Krsna or by the grace of Krsna's devotees. It is not that because one is very learned, he will become Krsna conscious. Or because one is rich, therefore he will become Krsna conscious, or because one is great mystic, therefore he will... No. That will come... Vina mahat-pada-rajo 'bhisekam. It cannot be achieved without touching the dust of lotus feet of a great devotee. That is the effect. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has recommended,
So this association is required. If you can make your Krsna consciousness society perfectly Krsna conscious, wherever you will go, they will become Krsna conscious, simply by your presence. So you have to become perfectly Krsna conscious. There should be no adulteration. That adulteration means that knowledge and fruitive activities and material desires. If Krsna consciousness is free from these three kinds of contamination, then that is pure. [end]
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