680706SB.MON
Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.9

Montreal, July 6, 1968
Prabhupada:
Prahlada Maharaja, considering himself born in the lowest, atheistic family, he thinks that "When Brahma and other big demigods failed to satisfy the Nrsimhadeva, how it is possible for me? I am neither born in a very scholarly family or devotee's family." Because a devotee is supposed to take birth in the family of a brahmana or very rich king or princely order or mercantile family. But Prahlada Maharaja was born in a very rich family, and his father was also brahmana. And so... But unfortunately, his father was atheist. Therefore, in spite of his becoming born in the brahmana family, he was designated as demon, daitya.
So because Brahma and other demigods asked Prahlada Maharaja to pray, therefore he is suggesting, he is guessing that "Material qualification is no assessment for approaching the Lord." He says that manye, "I think." Manye, "I think," dhana. Dhana means wealth. Abhijana. Abhijana means to take birth. Sridhara Swami says abhijana means sat-kule janma, to take birth in high family, in brahmana family, in rich family. And rupam, sundarya, srutam, saundarya. Rupa means beauty, and srutam means education. Ojah, indriya-naipunyam. Ojah means power of sense. A man who can use his senses very nicely, he is called ojah. Just like the vultures. The vulture, he can go three, four miles up, but he can see... From that four miles away, he can see whether there is a carcass. So simply by sense power one does not become very great. The example is this: although this creature, vulture, has gone very high... We are human being. We cannot see three, four miles away anything. So sense power... There are different animals who have got different kinds of sense power. Just like dogs. They can smell..., from distant place they can smell whether somebody, outsider, is coming, and he will at once begin barking. Similarly, there are fishes. They have got power of touch. The small fishes can understand that a big fish is coming from miles of distance simply by touch, by connection with water. So the sense power or living power... Suppose if somebody thinks that "I am living for a hundred years," you are living for hundred years, but you go in the forest. You will find one tree is living for seven thousand years. So these powers, by sense power, by your strength of money or by education... Everything is described. Or aristocratic birth, and tejah. Tejah means luster of the body, kanti. Tejah and prabhava, pratapa, influence. Balam means bodily strength. Suppose you are Sandoz. You have got very good... Just like in your country there are some box fighters, very strong and stout. That is called balam. Paurusam, udyama. Udyama means industrious. Just like a very poor man, he becomes by his energy very, very rich man. There are many instances in the world. That is called paurusam. Buddhi. Buddhi means intelligence, prajna. And yoga. Yoga means astanga-yoga, the eightfold practice of yoga system.
So Prahlada Maharaja says that "All these qualifications are not good assessment for approaching the Supreme Personality of Godhead." He is nullifying. Do not think that because you have got good education or scientific knowledge, then you can understand what is God. That is not possible. Just like the other day we were, I was reading one magazine. In the Bible it is said that God said "Let there be creation," and there was creation. Similarly, in the Bhagavad-gita also, we understand that Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca: [Bg. 7.4] "These eight gross and subtle material elements, they are My differentiated energy." So these statements of Bible or Bhagavad-gita... We can understand that God created this cosmic manifestation. But in the paper we read the other day that the scientific men believe that there was a chunk in the beginning, and all of a sudden it burst out and the planets came out. [break] So anyone can understand that God is all-powerful. He can create. But the scientist says that "There was a chunk, and creation took place from the chunk." Just see. When you say that God created, one can understand that God is... If a man can create such nice things, skyscraper buildings, very complicated bridge, engineering work, so God is great, He may have greater brain, so He has created this cosmic manifestation. There is a, I mean to say, standard to believe. But how the scientists believe that there was a chunk? And what is the explanation? I cannot understand. From the chunk everything come out. And who made the chunk? The next question should be that "Wherefrom this chunk came?" There is no answer. Therefore Prahlada Maharaja says that all these material qualification cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Now, how God is satisfied? Ete dhanadaya dvadasapi gunah parasya pumsah aradhanaya na bhavanti. You cannot purchase God by your all these material acquisitions. No. That is not possible. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah: [Bg. 18.55] "One can understand Me simply by devotional service." Nobody can understand. Bhaktya mam. What is that bhakti? That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita:
When one is very advanced in knowledge, brahma-bhutah... Brahma-bhutah means one who has understood the Brahman, the Supreme. And a brahmana means brahma janatiti brahmanah, one who has advanced to such knowledge. Therefore in India it is said that a brahmana is addressed as panditaji. Not panditaji like our late Jawaharlal Nehru. Panditaji means one who knows Brahman. Therefore brahmana's title is pandita. And a ksatriya's title is thakura saheb, maharaja. Not maharaja-thakura saheb. And a vaisya's title is sethji, and a sudra's title is chowdari. There are respectable terms for the different classes of men. So this bhakti, it is not simply sentiment, but it is to understand actually what is God. It is science of God. Otherwise how it is said in the Bhagavad-gita that brahma-bhutah prasannatma? One who has understood the Supreme, the Absolute, he is called brahmana, brahma-bhutah. And the symptom is that... How can I understand that he is a brahmana and has understood Brahman? The immediate answer is brahma-bhutah. The test is, one who is completely in knowledge of Brahman, the symptom will be prasannatma: he will be always cheerful. There is no question of anxiety for him. That is brahma-bhutah. Prasannatma na socati na kanksati [Bg. 18.54]. There is no lamentation; there is no desire. That is brahma-bhutah stage. There is no desire.
Even a hundred years, or, say, about 150 years before, there was in Bengal there was a nice king, Radha-Krsna Chandra. He went to a learned brahmana, and he wanted to help him, that "Can I help you?" So the brahmana says, "Oh, I don't require any help. Oh, I am very happy. I have got this tamarind tree. My wife takes some tamarind leaves and makes some soup, and some of my disciples give me some rice. So I have got everything, plenty. Why shall I take your help?" Formerly the brahmanas, real brahmanas, they refused to take any charity from others, even up to this date, because according to Vedic system, when charity was to be given, it is to be given to the brahmanas or the sannyasis. That is real charity. Datavyam. They should be given. Because they are always engaged in Brahman, therefore charity given to a brahmana or a sannyasi goes to Brahman. That is the idea. At the present moment the advertisement is daridra, daridra-narayana: "Charity should be given to the daridra, or the poor." But the Vedas, why they recommended that charity should be given to the brahmanas? And the brahmanas, they do not require. They are so satisfied, but still, people persisted: "The brahmanas should take some charity," because the idea is, if the brahmanas accept the charity, that money goes directly to Brahman, or God. That is the idea. So brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54]. When one is situated in that position, that he has no lamentation, no demand, no anxiety, that is called brahma-bhutah stage. And next, by becoming into brahma-bhutah stage, what are other symptoms? Samah sarvesu bhutesu: "Oh, he is equal to everyone." Then, when one has attained this perfection of life, then he can execute devotional service. Mad-bhaktim labhate param. And by that devotional service, one can understand what is God.
In other place also in the Bhagavad-gita it is said that manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3]. Now what is siddhi, perfection? Siddhi means this perfection, brahma-bhutah stage. No hankering, no lamentation. That is called siddhi, perfection. This hankering and the full of anxiety, this is materialistic. This is materialistic. In comparison to other animals... They have no anxiety, but human being, they have advanced a type of civilization that everyone is in anxiety, always full of anxiety. So Prahlada Maharaja says in another place that this anxiety is due to acceptance of the false, material civilization. Sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat [SB 7.5.5]. They have accepted a type of civilization which is asat. Asat means which will not exist. Therefore they are always full of anxiety.
So Prahlada Maharaja says the same thing in a different way, that the Supreme Personality of Godhead can be worshiped or satisfied by a devotee, not by others. In other place also the Lord says,
He said that "Anyone who offers Me a little flower, a little fruit, a little water, with devotion..." This is the real thing. Because God is so great, He is supplying foodstuff. Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. "He is supplying all necessities of life to millions and trillions of living creatures, and He is asking me a little flower and little fruit and little water? He is begging? Is He a beggar?" No. The real thing is yo me bhaktya prayacchati: "One who gives Me in devotional love." So God is always anxious of your love, not your material things. Srila Rupa Gosvami has described that as somebody offers you very nice, palatable dishes, varieties of foodstuff, but unfortunately, if you have no appetite, these are all useless because you cannot eat, there is no appetite, similarly, you can make a show of offering so many things to God, but if you have no devotional love, that is not accepted. That is not accepted because God is not poor. He is not begging from you.
So Prahlada Maharaja says the same thing: bhaktya tutosa bhagavan gaja-yutha-paya. These material acquisitions, wealth, education, beauty, and so many other things which is very much evaluated in the material world, they are not qualifications for satisfying the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but bhakti. Bhaktya tutosa. The example is that there was an elephant who was in danger. He was being dragged by an alligator in the water, and he prayed to Lord Visnu, and he was saved. The example is that the elephant was not even human being. He was animal, but still, because he prayed to the Lord with devotion, so Lord immediately came to save him. This is the recommendation of all the Vedic scriptures. So bhaktya tutosa. You can satisfy simply by your love. Bhaktya means bhakti. Bhakti means bhaja sevaya. Bhakti... Simply you have to develop your service attitude. Service attitude is already there. We are servants by constitution, but we are serving maya. We are so constitutionally servant that after very, very high education, taking all these degrees, oh, we are moving door to door, that "Give me some service." So this service is my constitutional position, but I am serving my lust, my greediness, kama. Kamadinam kati na katidha palita durnidesas. We are serving actually, but instead of serving God, we are serving kamadi, our lust, our greediness, our senses. In one word we are serving our senses. So the position is there, but when you turn that service spirit to God, that is your success of life. Otherwise it is simply waste of time. Kamadinam kati na katidha palita durnidesas. Dictated by the lust, by kama, by serving kama, we sometimes do something which is very, very, abominable. Just don't you see the fight? The Pope says that "You cannot use contraceptive method. It is sinful." But actually people are doing that because dictated by kama, lust. It is actually very sinful, it is brun-hatya, murder. So how you can be that happy by continually committing murders? It is not possible. Therefore every religion, the contraceptive method will never be supported. It is brun-hatya maha-papa, according to Vedic literature. So they are now proposing that you cannot use contraceptive devices, but people have become mad after lust. They must use. They are putting the population theory, but I don't believe in it. The population theory, that "Population is increasing; therefore it should be stopped by contraceptive method," Malthus's theory, in economics, they are following that. But actually there is no such problem, because if we understand from Vedic literature, from Upanisad, it is said, nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam eko bahunam vidadhati kaman: (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13) "That Supreme Personality of Godhead is one, and the living creatures are many, many, without any number." Asankhya: you cannot count how many living entities are there. So both of them are eternal, God and the living entity, nityo nityananam. Cetanas cetananam. Cetana means living. So He is also a living entity, God, and we are also living entities. But what is the difference? That eka, eka, that one singular number living entity, or Krsna, or God, eko bahunam vidadhati kaman, He is supplying all the necessities of other living entities. So how there can be any population problem if God is supplying everything?
But there is restriction. How there is restriction? When people become godless, there is restriction of supply. Just like practical experience. I am saying from my practical experience that in my childhood I saw that India was exporting millions of tons of rice and wheat and other grains also, oil seed grains, huge export business. That India is now begging grains from other countries. You see. Why? Because they are gradually becoming godless. The population theory I don't believe, because if Krsna is supplying, eko bahunam vidadhati kaman... And actually we find that there is no population problem. Amongst the animals, amongst the birds, there is no contraceptive method. They are increasing their population, and they are being fed by God. So why in the human society the population theory is so acute? Because they are becoming less than animals. The animals, they beget, they mate at a certain period, but a human being, at the present moment, they have no such restriction. Any time. Therefore they want contraceptive method.
So this godless civilization is so acute that it is very difficult to make them understand God consciousness or Krsna consciousness. But still, as a matter of duty, we have to present, submit, these teachings of Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam because we are following the teachings of Lord Caitanya, who wanted. He said that prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama. All over the world in all the cities and all the villages, everywhere this philosophy of harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam, kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha [Cc. Adi 17.21], this philosophy should be preached. And He also stated in the Caitanya-caritamrta that,
He has ordered all Indians, manusya janma. All Indians means those who have taken birth as human beings. Janma sarthaka kari. This is very important. The Indians, they have got the opportunity of making their life successful because the spiritual knowledge, the spiritual treasurehouse, is there in India. So janma sarthaka kara para-upakara. First of all you learn yourself what is Vedic knowledge, what is spiritual life, and go and distribute to the rest of the world, para-upakara. They are suffering. This is the mission of Lord Caitanya.
That is the order. In this old age I have come to your country. Why? Because we are trying to follow the footprints of Lord Caitanya; therefore we have come. Otherwise, in old age who goes out of home? Nobody goes. And anyway, it is our duty to present. What is that presentation? The presentation is yare dekha tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa, very simple thing. You haven't got to manufacture anything. Just like there are many swamis, they come from India, but they manufacture something. But we have no power to manufacture. We simply present what is ordered by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He has ordered, yare dekha tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "Whomever you meet, you simply present the instruction of Krsna." And this instruction of Krsna is Bhagavad-gita. And what is that Bhagavad-gita? Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Just be surrendered to Krsna; be Krsna conscious. This is... So everything is there. We haven't got to manufacture anything. And simply by strictly following the orders of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu everyone can become the spiritual master. Spiritual master means who is strictly following the orders of his superior. He is spiritual master. Spiritual master does not mean that he has got four hands or eight legs or three heads. No. One who is strictly following the orders of his predecessor, he is spiritual master. Just like Arjuna was told by Krsna that "This system, parampara system, disciplic succession of spiritual masters, is now lost." Sa kalena yogo nastah: "That yoga, that system of yoga is now lost. Therefore I am making you again My disciple."
So if you follow the instruction, although you are not present before Krsna, if you follow the instruction of Arjuna or a faithful servant of Krsna, then you understand. What was spoken to Arjuna, you can also understand. It is not very difficult. Prahlada Maharaja also is speaking in that capacity because he is also a disciple of Narada. So he is saying, bhaktya tutosa bhagavan gaja-yutha-paya. These material acquisitions are no good for understanding Krsna or God. Simply you become a devotee. And how devotional attitude becomes elevated? That is also mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita and all Vedic literatures, especially in Bhagavatam, that atah sri-krsna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. By your material senses you cannot understand what is Krsna. Namadi: the first beginning of understanding Krsna is to understand His name. This is the beginning of bhakti. Nama adi. Nama, the name, should be the first. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommends, harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. Because immediately we can understand what is the form of God, how does He look. It is very..., not immediately. But this nama we can hear. Krsna has given us the capacity that as soon as somebody chants Hare Krsna, even a small child can hear. Oh, he... They imitate. Now we go on the road, and the small children, they say, "Hare Krsna." Just see. Nama is so strong that the boys, they also chanting Hare Krsna. It is so easy. We have seen it. The small children immediately, they clap, "Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna." And some of our students' children, in Buffalo they are dancing, in San Francisco. I received recently one letter from the mother of my disciple. He (she) wants to instruct his two children, other two children. So it is so nice. It doesn't require any material acquisition. Simply God has given you this nice apparatus, ear. Simply you hear Hare Krsna.
So bhaktya tutosa bhagavan gaja-yutha paya. Yatha kevala-bhaktyaiva gajendraya tustuyavah (?). The example is Gajendra, the elephant. It was not even a human being. Now, how he satisfied? You have seen that picture of, that... Here I don't find that picture in my apartment, that a calf is by the side of Krsna, and it is trying to lick up the body of Krsna like this, and Krsna is embracing immediately. What this animal has got? No education, no strength, no beautynothing of the sort. Simply he has got the feeling: "My Lord, I love You." That's all. Bhaktya tutosa bhagavan gaja-yutha-paya. So this is the universal form of spiritualism, the chanting of Hare Krsna. Anyone... It is practical. All my students here in the Western world, America and Canada and other parts, none of them are either Hindus or Indians. I think I have... I have got only one or two Indian disciples in these parts. And all of them, they are foreigners. They belong to foreign religion. They belong to foreign country. How they are understanding? Do you mean to say these educated boys are dancing and chanting without understanding? Are they fools? No. They are realizing bhaktya, because they have adopted the means of bhakti. Bhaktya tutosa bhagavan gaja-yutha-paya.
So this bhakti is open for everyone. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah [Bg. 9.32]. It doesn't matter whether he is born a Hindu or brahmana or nonsense or heathen. Doesn't matter. Simply if he takes the path seriously, then te 'pi yanti param gatim: he attains the highest perfection of life. Simply one has to follow. The same thing is confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. And Prahlada Maharaja also is confirming here, viprad dvi-sad-guna-yutad aravinda-nabha padaravinda-vimukhat svapacam varistham: "My dear Lord, I think a svapacam, svapacam varistham..." Svapaca means... Svapacam varistham. Svapaca. Sva means dog, and pacati, one who cooks dog. That means for eating purpose. They are called candalas, dog-eaters. In India still, in the Assam side, there are still dog-eaters. They enjoy kukurrpita. Kukurrpita. They make a kind of cake by burning a dog. So they are called svapaca. Svapaca means dog-eaters. So Prahlada Maharaja says, viprad dvi-sad-guna-yutat. Viprad dvi-sad-guna-yutad aravinda-nabha padaravinda-vimukhat. A brahmana who has got full qualification, twelve qualification, satya-samo-damas-titiksa arjavam ksanti, jnana-vijnanam astikyam... Brahmana means very qualified, a first-class man, all qualified. So Prahlada Maharaja says that "If a brahmana, even though he is qualified with all the twelve qualities, but if he is not a devotee, then I think a candala who is born of a family of dog-eaters, if he is devotee, he is varistham. He is glorious. He is glorious." Viprad dvi-sad-guna-yutad aravinda-nabha padaravinda-vimukhat svapacam varistham. That is the opinion of all great sages. There are many such passages. Svapacam varistham. Candalo 'pi dvija-srestha hari-bhakti-parayanah.
So one has to become, because this devotion is from the spiritual platform. It is not the material consideration. Material consideration is that personal beauty, personal strength, wealth, education. These are all material. But when there is bhakti, this is from spiritual platform. The spiritual platform, the spirit soul has no connection with these material qualifications. Therefore Prahlada Maharaja says, "Even though a brahmana has got all the qualifications..." They are all, after all, material qualifications. The brahmanas means they are situated in the modes of material goodness, the ksatriya means they are situated in the quality of material passion, the vaisya means they are situated in the mixed quality of passion and ignorance, and a sudra means who is situated in the material quality of the modes of ignorance. And those who are less than that, the sudras, they are called candalas or svapaca. So a brahmana is estimated the high-class man. Why? That is also materially estimation. But if he has no devotion to the Lord, then that is... That means he has no spiritual qualification. Then a person who is born in the family of dog-eaters, if he has got this bhakti, spiritual qualification, he is more than that.
viprad dvi-sad-guna-yutad aravinda-nabha
padaravinda-vimukhat svapacam varistham
manye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitartha-
pranam punati sa kulam na tu bhurimanah
"Because that person, although he is born in a candala family, because he becomes a devotee, he can deliver his forefathers. But the person who is simply puffed up, born in high family, he cannot deliver himself, what to speak of others." He cannot deliver even himself, and what to speak of others.
So this verse we shall discuss next meeting. Thank you very much.
Devotees: Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: Any questions? [break] ...very good, but it has got a good sound also. Yes? [break]
Hamsaduta: ...kama artha and moksa are the four goals of life, but otherwise there wouldn't be any description of the four goals of...
Prabhupada: Please stop. Dharma-artha-kama moksa [SB 4.8.41, Cc. Adi 1.90]. Then what is your next question? Because they are already godless, the world is already sick. What is the purpose of dharma? Dharma, the Srimad-Bhagavata says, sa vai pumsam paro dharmah. Paro dharma means the highest quality dharma. What is that? Yato bhaktir adhoksaje. The purpose of dharma-artha-kama-moksa means to come to this platform of bhakti. The Bhagavata says that,
The purpose of dharma artha kama is to come to the platform of bhakti. If one does not come to that platform, simply as a matter of formula and rituals, the Bhagavata says, it is simply waste of time. Srama eva hi kevalam. Why Prahlada Maharaja says that viprad dvi-sad-guna-yutad aravinda-nabha padaravinda-vimukhat? That is very good, to be in the platform of goodness, but you have to make further progress. Goodness is not perfection, because this world is so that even in the platform of goodness there is passion and ignorance. It is not unmixed. Sattva, sattva-guna. Sattva-guna is the goodness. So one has to transcend the platform of goodness. That is called suddha-sattva. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, traigunya-visaya-veda nistraigunyo bhavarjuna: "My dear Arjuna, so far the Vedic injunctions are concerned, they are material, traigunya." Somebody is in goodness, somebody is in passion, somebody is in ignorance. Therefore the division is brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra. "But," He advised him, nistraigunyo bhavarjuna, "just transcend to the three qualities of this material nature." That transcendental position is this bhakti. So unless one comes to the platform of bhakti, simply by dharma artha kama moksa will not give him the highest perfection. The Srimad-Bhagavatam, therefore, begins with this understanding: dharma projjhita-kaitavo 'tra. Kaitava means cheating. Cheating. So in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, the so-called religiosity, which is more or less cheating, is projjhita, prakrsta-rupena ujjhita, is completely swept over. So dharma artha kama moksa is not the highest perfection. Generally, people, they take to religiosity for material gain, artha, dharma, artha. And material gain means to satisfy the senses, kama. And when they are frustrated in satisfying the senses, they then want moksa. So after keeping in moksa, brahma satyam jagan mithya... Moksa means this world is false, and Brahman is satya. But because he has no Brahman engagement, therefore, even after leaving everything to search out Brahman, he comes again back to this material world for philanthropy work, for feeding the poor, for hospitalization. So this is coming and going, coming and going, coming and going. So real status of perfection is that you have to transcend even this position of moksa. Dharmah projjhita kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2]. The Sridhara Swami, a great commentator on Srimad-Bhagavatam, he says, atra moksa, moksabhisandhy api nirastam: "Oh, the Srimad-Bhagavatam is above the idea of liberation." So unless we come to that point, pancama purusartha, fifth dimension... The dharma, first, the artha, second, kama, third, moksa, fourth, and devotion is the fifth, fifth platform. Adhoksaja, adhoksaja. There are different stages of understanding: pratyaksa, paroksa, aparaksa, adhoksaja, aprakrta. The ordinary understanding, direct perception, is called pratyaksa. Now, higher than the pratyaksa understanding is paroksa, means to gather knowledge from the higher authorities. And above that, aparoksa, realization. And above that, adhoksaja. Adhoksaja means beyond the understanding of these material senses. And above that, there is aprakrta, completely transcendental. So the bhakti is on the transcendental platform, beyond the adhoksaja. [break]
Devotee (1): Is it all right to desire Krsna?
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the only desire you should have. Aradhito yadi haris tapasa tatah kim [Narada-pancaratra]. If your desire is only concentrated on Krsna... Just like the calf. He came to Krsna: "Krsna, I want You. That's all." And Krsna embraces. That's all. If you simply want Krsna, that is all perfection. Aradhito yadi haris tapasa tatah kim. If you have simply accepted Krsna, there is no need of any more austerities or penances and knowledge. You have taken the real thing. And naradhito yadi haris tapasa tatah kim. And if you have not come to that stage, to accept Krsna, then all your energy wasted in so-called penance and religion andall spoiled. So if you actually began to love Krsna, it is very nice. [break]
Woman: (indistinct)
Prabhupada: Simply by loving Krsna. It is very easy. You love here, there so many. You just try to love Krsna and stay in transcendental state. Love is there, but we are misplacing our love. That is our folly. Place that love to Krsna. You haven't got to learn how to love. You know. Everyone knows. So you place that love to Krsna, and you are always... In the Bhagavad-gita it is said,
mam ca vyabhicarini-
bhakti-yogena yah sevate
sa gunan samatityaitan
brahma-bhuyaya kalpate
[Bg. 14.26]
"Anyone who is always engaged in unalloyed devotional service," sa gunan samatityaitan, "he has already transcended all the material qualities." Brahma-bhuyaya kalpate: "He is on the path of becoming Brahman." Brahman means transcendental stage. So simply by engaging yourself in devotional service, immediately you come to the Brahman platform. Immediately. All these boys who are engaged in the..., they are on the Brahman platform. They are not on the platform dharma artha kama moksa. They have already transcended. Yes?
Guest (2): You questioned about contraception method, not the birth. The world is not composed not entirely of brahmanas. There are sudras, too, who are oriented exclusively towards kama. Now they are sudras because they are sudras, because they are not anything else. Well, but they receive medical care as if they were brahmanas.
Prabhupada: But do you mean to say sudras should be allowed to kill? Law, the state law, does allow that "He is a sudra. He is a lower class of man. Let him commit murder, and the law will not be applicable to him"? Does it mean? This contraceptive method is equivalent to commit murder. So either you are sudra or a brahmana or ksatriya, but it doesn't matter. If you commit murder, then you are putting yourself in difficulties.
Guest (2): Is it true that in India sudras are kept more leniently than brahmanas are?
Prabhupada: No. No. Why?
Guest (2): I just wondered.
Prabhupada: No. The law does not ask, "Are you brahmana or are you sudra?" But according to Vedic system, rather, brahmanas are treated very leniently because they are not so sinful. Just like Asvatthama. He happened to be a brahmana, and he committed a great sin, killing the five innocent... (end)

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