Morning Walk – September 26, 1972, Los Angeles

720926MW-Los Angeles [27:49 Minutes]

We don't require anybody's bread simply we prepare capatis

Prabhupada: Where is my overcoat? I thought you were bringing it. [indistinct]

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: …takes care of the cow and gets the milk so out of the milk he makes ghee, so the richer section will pay this ghee, he gets some money and from the cow dung he gets fuel.

Devotee: Fuel.

Prabhupada: And while churning the ghee the buttermilk is used by him with capati it is very nice.

Devotee: Do you only eat capatis?

Prabhupada: Oh yes we don't require anybody's bread simply we prepare capatis and with the buttermilk with a little salt and chilli, oh it is very nice. So he has no problems.

Devotee: Just from one cow?

Prabhupada: Yes simply by keeping one cow his livelihood is [indistinct]. [break]

Karandhara: [indistinct] a little field [indistinct].

Prabhupada: The scientist, [indistinct]?

Svarūpa Damodara: What? [laughs] trees and the flowers grow from a seed?

Karandhara: [indistinct] from a seed how does that happen?

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs]

Prabhupada: What is the chemical composition? Do it.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes, in order to germinate it's… Normally the.embryo the living forces inside sleeping inside the seed so when under favorable conditions.

Prabhupada: They will find something which they cannot explain.

Devotee: Yes [laughs].

Prabhupada: The scientist means ultimately they will find something which they cannot explain.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: Then their responsibility is finished, "something is sleeping," that's all.

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs] so they say the embryo.

Prabhupada: What is the use of consulting, what is their thing from sleeping?

Svarūpa Damodara: Something. [laughs]

Karandhara: Yeah that's the question.

Prabhupada: This is their foolishness, you go to them they will manufacture some bombastic word and they will say, "now it is sleeping, [indistinct] stopped."

Devotees: [laughter]

Prabhupada: [indistinct]. Go to a doctor some disease he explains some fungus this that some so many… you cannot understand, you see? Neither he understands. Just like I was in the drug business. So instead of writing water they say aqua distilata, you see, so that the patient may not know.

Svarūpa Damodara: Understand [laughs].

Prabhupada: Because if the patient sees water [laughs] he'll say, "I am paying fees for water?-And this rascal is giving me."

Devotees: [laughter]

Prabhupada: Just like aqua distilata, this is not. Never allowed. That is their business.

Svarūpa Damodara: Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita, "I am the seed giving father," so seed is coming from Krsna.

Prabhupada: Then you accept Krsna. Why do you try to explain from their nonsense ideas? [laughter]

Svarūpa Damodara: So they make experiments in the… In the botanic laboratory how a plant comes out from the seed so they [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Even up to millions of generations they will never be able to find out what is that. Simply waste their time and take money from the government and live very comfortably.

Devotees: [laughter]

Prabhupada: Nice payment. What do you think?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes

Prabhupada: [laughs] All rogues and thieves, yes. The whole world is a society of cheaters and cheated. To ordinary man also the so-called agitated-if you say, "Krsna is cause of the sea." Then, "Ah this is all imagination-science says like this." But he does not understand what is science.

Devotee: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: So if the scientists understands that the living force inside the seed is Krsna, Krsna's energy. Then he will immediately forget his speculative... eh concept.

Prabhupada: Yes…

[break] they will say, "yes we are trying in future we shall find out."

Devotee: Just a few more years.

Svarūpa Damodara: In the meantime they will die.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: And ah… [laughs]

Prabhupada: Before finding out Krsna will take them away, to become void.

Devotee: [indistinct] [break].

Svarūpa Damodara: In Vrndavana every… all the birds and everybody is singing about the glories of Krsna. [break]

Prabhupada: Yes. A seed like mustard seed contains a big banyan tree.

Devotee: Banyan tree in which form?

Prabhupada: Eh? You've seen banyan fruit, a fig?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes, it's very small.

Prabhupada: Very, very small seed and each seed contains a big tree. How it is potentially kept there? Let the scientists explain.

Svarūpa Damodara: Just like the… ah sesame, the sesame seed.

Devotee: Sesame seed?

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes they are that big, about that size.

Prabhupada: No it is smaller than sesame seeds. And such a big tree and millions of figs and within the figs millions of seeds, potency.

They are kept... potency. This is the potency of Krsna.

Svarūpa Damodara: I've seen inside the fig, Srila Prabhupada, that small fig.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: There were so many small small insects.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: When we opened it-it just came out flying-all over.

Prabhupada: Ah yes, from insect flies come and from the flies birds come, this is the…

Karandhara: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Everywhere there is living being and these rascals say that the moon planet there is no living being. How we can believe?

Devotee: There was a meeting a few weeks ago and they sent some space probe to Venus.

Prabhupada: Yes?

Devotee: And it's the Russians.

Prabhupada: What? First of all develop this moon they have left it.

Devotee: [laughs]

Prabhupada: Just see they are childish, childish, he is playing with something and then [indistinct].

Devotees: [laughter]

Prabhupada: Simply rascals! And the government is rascal and paying them.

Svarūpa Damodara: They find a useful [indistinct].

Prabhupada: How this grass is coming? Nobody has given there seeds how it is coming? Unless there was seed. So within this stone cliff there was seed.

Devotee: Jaya.

Prabhupada: You see it is coming and no gardener is employed there and it is coming. Not only that, big big temple in India mosque.stone, as soon as there is little crack, vegetation coming.

Svarūpa Damodara: There are some plants Srila Prabhupada which do not give flowers and that so they do not give fruits in the... In the general sense but they can be... There may be... You can cut one of the branches and put it in the soil and they will grow.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: Does that mean that the seed is inside the plant inside the branch?

Prabhupada: Yes potential.

Devotee: Because the seed contains Krsna's potential energy. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. That is Krsna's energy one energy He has given that the material energy is given start then from material energy so many varieties of life is come out.

[break] vividhaiva srūyate, and it will come out so nicely, anyone will appreciate there is a big brain, svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca, one can appreciate in this plan there is a very planning brain.

Devotee: It's so beautiful, it is magical.

Prabhupada: Everything these are the Vedic, parasya saktir vividhaiva srūyate svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca [Svetasvatara Upanisad 6.8]. Svabhaviki, just like flower is coming, so the painting the color the display the symmetries is so nice that it requires a very nice painter, artist to draw that. But it is coming out by the potency of Krsna, svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca. The knowledge is working perfectly, everything, where is that science?

Svarūpa Damodara: There is no question that huh… there should be no doubt about this but the…

Prabhupada: But they are so rascals they will not agree.

Devotee: Otherwise it is in studying plants and flowers [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Neither do they know how many plants and flowers are there.

Svarūpa Damodara: Nowadays they are also crossbreeding from one plant to... with another and so they change the... Some of the internal structure of the purist... For example the orange it can be mixed...

Prabhupada: But that is not difficult, mix with somebody... Something else then it becomes another thing composition, that is your chemistry. But originally how things are coming that is the question.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: Not that mixing, mixing anyone can do what is the necessity of a scientist any gardener can do. They are making experiments, what is this experiment? [indistinct]?

Simply bluff. What a child can do they are doing in the name of scientific research. What is the use? There are so many, 2 million varieties of plants, suppose by mixing them you make another two or three.

Devotees: [laughs]

Prabhupada: What is your credit? Just see the fun, they can simply bluff foolishly, that is all.

Svarūpa Damodara: They just want to play some games.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarūpa Damodara: Just to…

Prabhupada: Childish just like children are prone to play, this thing that thing that thing that and ultimately breaker it. One sense childish that's all. [break] Done nothing real problem you cannot check death, you cannot check birth, you cannot check old age and you cannot check disease.

Svarūpa Damodara: So the most important fundamental questions are left over. Without huh...

Prabhupada: Yes. They do not touch it.

Svarūpa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Because it is beyond their [indistinct]. What is difficult task, they have left it at that [laughs] and they are now mixing with one plant to another with a child can play.

Devotee: The government, I once asked the government that I'd like to do research about what happens after the time of death.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: But the government would give no money.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: I summoned once the government.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Devotee: I summoned... I want the research about what happens after the time of death.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Devotee: The government would not give anybody money for that research. They think, "What is this?" waste of time [indistinct].

Prabhupada: There is no need of research it is all explained in the Vedic literature.

Devotee: [laughs]

Svarūpa Damodara: Is it not also the mercy of Krsna Srila Prabhupada that people tend to forget about Krsna? Is it a mercy or…

Prabhupada: It is not mercy it is punishment.

Svarūpa Damodara: That the living entities…

Prabhupada: Tan aham dvisataḥ krūran [Bg 16.19] that is explained..

Svarūpa Damodara: This…

Prabhupada: Those envious persons they are put into such condition of life…

Svarūpa Damodara: Hm.

Prabhupada: …that they will never be able to understand what is God, that is punishment.

Svarūpa Damodara: Oh.

Prabhupada: That is explained in Bhagavad-gita and without knowing God he will have to transmigrate from different types of body sometimes like big tree, sometimes ant, sometimes dog, sometimes man, sometimes tiger this is required-fate. All these conditioned soul's within this material world they are that way suffering.

Svarūpa Damodara: Just [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Just like they are driving this car they are thinking, "oh I have got a car. This is maya. I've got a car I can..." Even he is meeting accident, he is still he is thinking, "oh yes I've got a good car." He does not know that the good car is for his death. Not only that they are killing so many animals on the road, ants and some other big animals they are killing at least small ants they are killing but they are becoming responsible for killing those small animals.

Devotee: [indistinct] hostility for ever escaping from the cycle of life [indistinct] pure devotee.

Svarūpa Damodara: Well it is by the mercy of Krsna.

Prabhupada: That is mercy.

Devotee: Otherwise they would never be able to explain [indistinct]

Prabhupada: No, simply indulge, loko 'yam karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg 3.9], karma-bandhanaḥ this is the word used, yajnarthat karmano 'nyatra loko 'yam karma-bandhanaḥ.

Devotee: Karma-bandhanah means [indistinct] activities.

Prabhupada: Yes, bound up by the laws of material nature. [indistinct]

Svarūpa Damodara: Hm. [break]

Devotee: The doctors say that [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: Sometimes infections the germs are attacking the body. [indistinct] various tiny germs are attacking the body.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Devotee: Is that really what is taking place-germs are attacking the body? [indistinct] [break]

Prabhupada: Ayurvedic principles, the germ is not attack. When you go... When you develop a certain type of disease the germs grows and disease becomes visible when your internal function are not in order. The example is just like if you make a place filthy you'll find so many germs in place.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: …not the germs are coming and make it filthy.

Svarūpa Damodara: Well the germs are already there but they find a suitable food in to grow in a...

Prabhupada: Just like in a bed, bed bugs they do not come outside you keep your bed unclean and you perspire by contact the bugs will come.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: So the conclusion is germs do not attack but if you make the condition favorable the germs will grow. They do not know hygienic principles the doctors, they do not advise their patients hygienic principles. The germs are growing, they are seeing that, "oh the germs are infecting." That is another foolishness.

Devotee: The disease is due that nothing is clean?

Prabhupada: Ah yes. Therefore in the Western countries so many diseases.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: That is very very unclean. In India you won't find so many diseases. They take... Use sufficient water-three times taking bath, washing their cloth, washing the floor everything hygienic, cleaning it.

Devotee: Then the germs won't come there?

Prabhupada: No. As soon as you keep things unclean, you'll find cockroaches, this germ that germ. But if you keep very clean everything, flies cockroaches they will not come.

[Car doors closing]

asaucam neti caracaraḥna vidhu asritah bhūtana[?], so they are keeping these dogs eh? So that is another source of growing so many germs disease.

Devotee: Dogs.

Prabhupada: But they keep the dog on the bed.

Devotee: Yeah.

Prabhupada: Their best friend [laughs].

Svarūpa Damodara: In our home we are not allowed to touch the dog.

Prabhupada: No.

Svarūpa Damodara: Or outside the house.

Prabhupada: Yes the dog cannot enter in the house, [indistinct], what to speak of... he must [indistinct].

Svarūpa Damodara: The medical doctors say that inside the body there is a white blood corpuscles are the defensive mechanisms so when some germ develops they say the white blood corpuscles is not good enough or is not enough to defend the coming germs. So that is why the disease attacks.

Prabhupada: Yes they will say something because you have [indistinct], to satisfy you, and you have to be satisfied because you cannot [indistinct].

Devotee: If you ask them they say they do not know, we do not have the patience.

Svarūpa Damodara: But the common people believe these things, everybody that's why the…

Prabhupada: The common people are rascals. They are called sūdras, sūdra means rascal less intelligent. Janmana jayate sūdraḥ, everyone is born a sūdra he [indistinct]. We are introducing this reformatory method to make them into brahmanas. Otherwise everyone is sūdra.

Svarūpa Damodara: Everyone in this country Srila Prabhupada there is, there is some sort of health insurance. Some sort of health insurance, almost everybody so that means they put some money.

Prabhupada: Yes. To pay the doctors and hospital care, hospitalisation. Because they know that their science will not be able to keep them healthy, in spite of all talks by the scientists he has to be assured of his treatment by paying money.

Svarūpa Damodara: But nobody came to save my money.

Prabhupada: At least they think like that. If money is my [indistinct] if you have got money then you have everything. Money means a few scrap paper that's all. That is also another cheating, I am paying you a $100 it is just scraps of paper [indistinct], "oh I've got big amount [indistinct]" but that is not dollar that's paper. And it is understood that in exchange of this paper you can get gold but you'll never get gold. That is a permanent cheating.

Devotee: Now the government admits that they will not have enough gold to cover the amount of money. It used to be that they had to keep a reserved [indistinct] they said they had it reserved [indistinct].

Prabhupada: This way?

Devotee: Enough gold [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Is it not?

Devotee: Either we go to Venice or what is that Regent Street. Regent Street?

Prabhupada: Oh yes you can Kardiya… Cardiff.

Devotee: [indistinct]?

Prabhupada: I think that will be shorter.

Devotee: Oh yes. [end]