Morning Walk – May 4, 1974, Bombay
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Morning Walk
- May 4, 1974, Bombay 740504MW-BOMBAY [23:22 Minutes]
Dr. Patel: Almost everything. All His saktis excepting Him.
Dr. Patel: Even though They are one in... Separate in body.
Prabhupada: Yes. Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate [Cc Madhya 13.65, purport]. So Radharani is the hladini-sakti. So when the Para-brahman wants to enjoy, He does not enjoy in this, the material energy. He expands His own pleasure potency. That is Radha-Krsna tattva. Tad-dvayam caikyam aptam caitanyakhyam prakatam adhuna . "They have again become united in the form of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu." Radha krsna nahe anya. Sri krsna caitanya, radha krsna nahe anya. Radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmad ekatmanav api deha...
[aside:] Hare Krsna.
[break] ...same thing in every respect. We imitate, "I am the lord of everything." That is also imitation.
Dr. Patel: Yes, that is also imitation. We are imitating gopis, not Krsna. [Gujarati] Ah, his representative, he will put on him. [break]
Prabhupada: Giriraja, who is the Giriraja?
Giriraja: Govardhana.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Patel: You are also Govardhana, enlarger of the cows.
Or govardhana-padapa-tale.
"The conjugal love between Radha and Krsna, when I shall understand?" Rupa-raghunatha-pade haibe akuti: "When I shall be very much eager to the favor of Srila Rupa Gosvami, Raghunatha Gosvami, it may be possible I can understand what is Radha and Krsna." This is the process. So Rupa Gosvami and other Gosvamis, they never said that "In Vrndavana we have seen Radha-Krsna."
Dr. Patel: They were searching, search of Radha.
Prabhupada: Search of Radha. That is Gaudiya Vaisnava, vipralambha, in separation, feeling, "Where is Krsna? Where is Krsna? Where is Krsna?" Govinda-virahena me. Sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda-virahena me.
Hare Krsna. Go on. Pariksit Maharaja said, when he was sitting on the bank of the Ganges, prepared for meeting death within seven days, all the great personalities, sages, saints, kings, they came to see him. So he said that "My dear brahmanas, here is Ganges, and you are also present here. So take me as your surrendered soul. I am surrendered to you. So at the present moment let that taksaka, the snake-bird, or anything may come and bite. I don't care for it. Please go on with the krsna-katha. Go on with your krsna-katha." Yes.
Dr. Patel: Then came Sukadeva. That is the point Sukadeva comes.
Prabhupada: No, Sukadeva later on came.
Dr. Patel: Yes, after that.
Dr. Patel: You must act like Pariksit.
Passerby: Hare Krsna!
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.
[break] ...and some European..., one European was coming. So as soon as we face to face, so I had to get down. They forced me.
Dr. Patel: You know that way they behaved with Gandhiji in South Africa.
Prabhupada: Beaten him like anything. He would have died. [break] Fisher's, Fisherman's island. "I shall again turn them into fisherman's island."
Dr. Patel: If you are citizen you may [indistinct] nonviolence.
Prabhupada: Germany is the bitterest enemy of Britain.
Dr. Patel: Stalin.
Prabhupada: No, Germany, whole Germany.
Dr. Patel: Hitler.
Prabhupada: They do not like to speak in English also. Yes, I have seen it. Even they know English, they'll not speak. In the bank they could speak a little, little English, but they avoid. Then I took... What is that boy that first went to...?
Prabhupada: Sivananda. Then I... Sivananda talked in Germany.
Dr. Patel: It is a hate. Hating. They [indistinct], I mean Germany, the First World War, and we had very bad... [break]
Prabhupada: ...two wars is due to Germany's hatred to Britain. That's all. There was always competition in colonization between France, Holland...
Dr. Patel: Germany. All of them.
Prabhupada: No, not Germany. Not Germany. Germany never tried for colonization.
Dr. Patel: Belgium, such a small thing, they have half of the Central Africa like a pyramid standing on its tip. [break]
Prabhupada: Britishers were maintaining the British Empire at the cost of India. Soldiers, money...
Dr. Patel: Indian Army was uncivil, totally. Even today it is so. Indian Army fought very... [break]
Prabhupada: Pathans, Sikhs, they fought so nicely.
Dr. Patel: This Mount Hazeno[?] battle, which I read very... [laughter] They... [break]
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: Why?
Devotee: They're in the hospital.
Bhagavata: Caranaravinda was in the hospital.
Prabhupada: So who is take care him?
Giriraja: "One must hear from disciplic succession. Anu means following, and anu means always. So one must always follow the disciplic succession and not hear from any stray professional reciters." [break]
Dr. Patel: That is neophyte.
Prabhupada: ...neophyte stage and, means, regulative principles.
Giriraja: "Those who are simply attracted to temple worship but do not know the philosophy of bhakti are in the neophyte stage." [break]
Prabhupada: ...still India's spiritual culture, that people were not trained up in the bhakti science; simply they go to the temple, [makes sound of bell-ringing] "dung, dung, dung." That's all. That has finished.
Dr. Patel: [indistinct].
Prabhupada: Eh?
Dr. Patel: In the south there is...
Prabhupada: No, everywhere. Everywhere. They do not know. In the temple there is no discussion scientifically about Krsna or anything. You see? [Hindi]
Dr. Patel: They become lusty.
Dr. Patel: Krishna Shankar Shastri is speaking very...
Prabhupada: Huh?
Dr. Patel: Krishna Shankar Shastri from Nariya[?] [indistinct] place.
Prabhupada: He's a learned scholar, I know.
Prabhupada: ...there is no sex life. [break]
Giriraja: "...is so potent that the more one advances in this line, the more he loses his attraction for material life."
Dr. Patel: [indistinct] people used to castrate themselves. They always want sex.
Prabhupada: All right. That is artificial.
Dr. Patel: I have read somewhere. One sect of sadhus who [indistinct].
Prabhupada: That is not the way.
Dr. Patel: Have you read it? I have read it.
Prabhupada: Even I do not... No. These are all nonsense.
Giriraja: "One who is actually deriving..." [break]
Prabhupada: That is the disease, material disease, to become lusty. So if one actually hears from the authority rasa-lila, then he is no more lusty. That is the test. That is the test.
Prabhupada: Kama is the basic principle of material life. That is explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad [SB 5.5.8]: "Both men and women, they are attracted in this material world for this sex life." Mithuni-bhavam etad. Tayor mithah. They are... Now, just see in this beach. They are coming all dressed, and the man is attracting woman; woman is attracting man. This is business going on here.
Dr. Patel: You are really... Oscar Wilde has written once...
Prabhupada: Yes, this is the fact. We can see it. We can see it. That's all. Everywhere the same business. In the Western world they are becoming more and more naked. You see? Mini, miniskirt.
Dr. Patel: What they call it?
Bhagavata: Streaking.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. What is that called, costume?
Prabhupada: Yes. Topless. Topless.
Dr. Patel: Topless and bottomless.
Prabhupada: These things are going on. That means they are attracted. Attracted. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad. They'll dress... Woman will dress very nicely so that she can attract man, and man will also do something which will, he'll attract woman. Mithuni-bhavam tayor mitha... In this way, when they are united-hrdaya-granthim ahuh [SB 5.5.8], a very strong knot: "Oh, you are mine. I am yours." [laughter] "You are mine. I am yours." In this way they pull on this material life. And then, gradually, "Now we must have good apartment to live and enjoy sex life." Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad tayor mithah hrdaya-granthim ahuh, tatha grha. "Now have skyscraper building." Ksetra: "Land. We must produce food grains." Tatha grha-ksetra-suta: "We must have children."
Prabhupada: No, no, this is... This is the material life.
Dr. Patel: That's right. You are right.
Prabhupada: This is material... Tatha grha-ksetra-sutapta. Apta: friends. I must show: "Just see how I have got big house, nice wife, good bank balance. Come and see. And just glorify me, 'Oh, you are very successful, although you are going to be dog next life.' " This is going on. Atho grha-ksetra-sutapta-vitta janasya moho 'yam. This is illusion. This is illusion. Janasya moho 'yam aham mameti [SB 5.5.8]: "Now I am such and such big man, minister." That's all. And he's... The minister is going to be dog next life. You see? That he does not know. That he does not know. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karma... [Bg 3.27].
Dr. Patel: I don't think they should be dog, become dog. They should become hogs.
Prabhupada: Yes. Vit. Vit means stool. Sva-vid-varaha-ustra. Ustra means camel, and khara means ass. So these grhamedhis, they have been described as the sva vid-varaha ustra khara. Bhagavata is very strong [laughs] in criticizing. Therefore in the beginning it is said, dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra [SB 1.1.2]: "All types of cheating religion is rejected." Dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra. Kaitava means cheating. Sridhara Maharaja..., Sridhara Swami, he has... Paramo nirmatsaranam: "This Bhagavata is meant for paramo nirmatsaranam, those who are above this material existence, paramahamsas." Bhagavata is not meant for ordinary men.
Dr. Patel: Who can make a distinction between milk and water.
Prabhupada: Yes. No, no, means he accepts only the milk, not the water. Similarly, this whole world is mixture of spirit and matter, so he rejects matter; he takes only spirit. That is paramahamsa. Go on.
Giriraja: "Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura points out that according to Bhagavad-gita, the Brahma day and the Brahma night are periods of solar years expanding 4,300,000 multiplied by one thousand..." [break]
Prabhupada: Four, I think. This one?
Satsvarupa: Yes, 747. Jumbo.
Prabhupada: It is 447, yes. [break]
Bhagavata: ...celebrate.
Prabhupada: The celebration is you have to fast day and night and four times offer worship to the Lord Siva.
Dr. Patel: And drink bhaṅg also. [other Indian men make indistinct comments]
Prabhupada: No, no, that is not recommended. But they can do... They do all now...
Prabhupada: Not necessarily.
Bhagavata: Not necessary. [end]
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