Morning Walk – May 4, 1974, Bombay

Prabhupada: Everything is perverted reflection. Janmady asya yataḥ: "Everything is born from the Absolute Truth." So unless there is something in the Absolute Truth, how it can be reflected here? Everything is there.

Dr. Patel: Almost everything. All His saktis excepting Him.

Prabhupada: Athato brahma-jijnasa. Janmady asya yataḥ.

Giriraja: [reading from Krsna book] "They began to say that 'The chief gopi, Radharani, who was taken alone by Krsna, must be very proud of Her position, thinking Herself the greatest of the gopis. Yet how could Krsna take Her alone, leaving all of us aside?' " [break]

Prabhupada: ...song by Rūpa Gosvami, radhe jaya jaya madhava-dayite.

Dr. Patel: Radhe jaya jaya madhava...

Prabhupada: Madhava-dayite, gokula... Eh?

Giriraja: Taruni.

Prabhupada: Gokula-taruni manḍala-mahite. Radhe jaya jaya madhava-dayite, gokula-taruni, all the manḍala-mahite. She is the most beautiful amongst all the young girls in Gokula. Radhe jaya jaya madhava... Rūpa Gosvami's praying,

And Jiva Gosvami says, radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmad ekatmanav api, deha-bhedam gatau tau . Radha-Krsna... Krsna expanded Himself by His pleasure potency. That is Radharani. Ekatmanav api deha-bhedam gatau.

Dr. Patel: Even though They are one in... Separate in body.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Radha-krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktiḥ.

Dr. Patel: Hladini-saktiḥ...

[aside:] Hare Krsna.

[break] ...same thing in every respect. We imitate, "I am the lord of everything." That is also imitation.

Dr. Patel: Yes, that is also imitation. We are imitating gopis, not Krsna. [Gujarati] Ah, his representative, he will put on him. [break]

Prabhupada: Giriraja, who is the Giriraja?

Giriraja: Govardhana.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Dr. Patel: You are also Govardhana, enlarger of the cows.

Prabhupada: Govardhana-padapa-tale. This is the... This is the bhajana of Gauḍiya Vaisnava. He radhe vraja-devike ca lalite he nanda-sūno kutaḥ. Kutaḥ: "Where you are?" Gauḍiya Vaisnava will never say that "We have seen." Kutaḥ: "Where you are?"

Or govardhana-padapa-tale.

We have to follow the Gosvamis to understand Radha-Krsna tattva. Directly we cannot understand.

"The conjugal love between Radha and Krsna, when I shall understand?" Rūpa-raghunatha-pade haibe akuti: "When I shall be very much eager to the favor of Srila Rūpa Gosvami, Raghunatha Gosvami, it may be possible I can understand what is Radha and Krsna." This is the process. So Rūpa Gosvami and other Gosvamis, they never said that "In Vrndavana we have seen Radha-Krsna."

Dr. Patel: They were searching, search of Radha.

Prabhupada: Search of Radha. That is Gauḍiya Vaisnava, vipralambha, in separation, feeling, "Where is Krsna? Where is Krsna? Where is Krsna?" Govinda-virahena me. Sūnyayitam jagat sarvam govinda-virahena me.

Dr. Patel: "The whole world is sūnya in absence of..."

Prabhupada: This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's teaching. Govinda-vira...

This is the summit of bhajana, when one will be crying and there will be tears, torrently, and one will see everything as vacant for being separated from Govinda. That is the topmost summit of krsna-bhajana.

Hare Krsna. Go on. Pariksit Maharaja said, when he was sitting on the bank of the Ganges, prepared for meeting death within seven days, all the great personalities, sages, saints, kings, they came to see him. So he said that "My dear brahmanas, here is Ganges, and you are also present here. So take me as your surrendered soul. I am surrendered to you. So at the present moment let that taksaka, the snake-bird, or anything may come and bite. I don't care for it. Please go on with the krsna-katha. Go on with your krsna-katha." Yes.

Dr. Patel: Then came Sukadeva. That is the point Sukadeva comes.

Prabhupada: No, Sukadeva later on came.

Dr. Patel: Yes, after that.

Prabhupada: Yes. So we should be always engaged in krsna-katha. Oh, danger is always there. This is a place...

Dr. Patel: You must act like Pariksit.

Prabhupada: You don't care for danger. You go on chanting. That's all. Padam padam yad vipadam [SB 10.14.58]. This is a place where padam padam vipadam: every step there is danger. How much dangerous position you'll save? Better go on chanting Hare Krsna, that's all.

Passerby: Hare Krsna!

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.

[break] ...and some European..., one European was coming. So as soon as we face to face, so I had to get down. They forced me.

Dr. Patel: You know that way they behaved with Gandhiji in South Africa.

Prabhupada: Beaten him like anything. He would have died. [break] Fisher's, Fisherman's island. "I shall again turn them into fisherman's island."

Dr. Patel: If you are citizen you may [indistinct] nonviolence.

Prabhupada: Germany is the bitterest enemy of Britain.

Dr. Patel: Stalin.

Prabhupada: No, Germany, whole Germany.

Dr. Patel: Hitler.

Prabhupada: They do not like to speak in English also. Yes, I have seen it. Even they know English, they'll not speak. In the bank they could speak a little, little English, but they avoid. Then I took... What is that boy that first went to...?

Bhagavata: Sivananda.

Prabhupada: Sivananda. Then I... Sivananda talked in Germany.

Dr. Patel: It is a hate. Hating. They [indistinct], I mean Germany, the First World War, and we had very bad... [break]

Prabhupada: ...two wars is due to Germany's hatred to Britain. That's all. There was always competition in colonization between France, Holland...

Dr. Patel: Germany. All of them.

Prabhupada: No, not Germany. Not Germany. Germany never tried for colonization.

Dr. Patel: Belgium, such a small thing, they have half of the Central Africa like a pyramid standing on its tip. [break]

Prabhupada: Britishers were maintaining the British Empire at the cost of India. Soldiers, money...

Dr. Patel: Indian Army was uncivil, totally. Even today it is so. Indian Army fought very... [break]

Prabhupada: Pathans, Sikhs, they fought so nicely.

Dr. Patel: This Mount Hazeno[?] battle, which I read very... [laughter] They... [break]

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna.

Giriraja: "Sukadeva Gosvami has used the word sraddhanvita for one who is trained in the spiritual life. Sraddha, or faith, is the beginning. One who has developed his faith in Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the supreme spirit soul, can both describe and hear." [break]

Prabhupada: Why?

Devotee: They're in the hospital.

Bhagavata: Caranaravinda was in the hospital.

Prabhupada: So who is take care him?

Bhagavata: Mahadeva. [break] ...authorities.

Prabhupada: Anu. Anu means "follow." Anusrnuyat. Srnu. Srnu means "hear." Kriditam ca idam ca vikridita vraja-vadhūbhiḥ, visnoḥ anusrnuyat. Don't directly read. Don't directly. Anusrnuyat: "Hear from the authoritative person."

Giriraja: "One must hear from disciplic succession. Anu means following, and anu means always. So one must always follow the disciplic succession and not hear from any stray professional reciters." [break]

Prabhupada: There is on raga stage. One must have passed the sadhana stage...

Dr. Patel: That is neophyte.

Prabhupada: ...neophyte stage and, means, regulative principles.

Giriraja: "Those who are simply attracted to temple worship but do not know the philosophy of bhakti are in the neophyte stage." [break]

Prabhupada: ...still India's spiritual culture, that people were not trained up in the bhakti science; simply they go to the temple, [makes sound of bell-ringing] "dung, dung, dung." That's all. That has finished.

Dr. Patel: [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Eh?

Dr. Patel: In the south there is...

Prabhupada: No, everywhere. Everywhere. They do not know. In the temple there is no discussion scientifically about Krsna or anything. You see? [Hindi]

Prakrtaḥ. They are on the material platform; they're not on the spiritual platform. But this rasa-lila hearing is meant for persons who are actually on the spiritual platform. But they hear from the material platform; therefore...

Dr. Patel: They become lusty.

Bhagavata: Bhagavata-saptahas. Bhagavata-saptahas.

Prabhupada: Ah, bhagavata-saptaha. It is all nonsense. Simply they are hearing from the material platform some karma-kanḍiya vicara, that "If you hear..."

Dr. Patel: Krishna Shankar Shastri is speaking very...

Prabhupada: Huh?

Dr. Patel: Krishna Shankar Shastri from Nariya[?] [indistinct] place.

Prabhupada: He's a learned scholar, I know.

Dr. Patel: He had also returned from tour. [indistinct] commentary very well. [indistinct] In Nariya[?] he's supposed to be the best scholar in Sanskrit, not only a big bhakta also, but a Vaisnava. [break]

Prabhupada: ...there is no sex life. [break]

Giriraja: "...is so potent that the more one advances in this line, the more he loses his attraction for material life."

Dr. Patel: [indistinct] people used to castrate themselves. They always want sex.

Prabhupada: All right. That is artificial.

Dr. Patel: I have read somewhere. One sect of sadhus who [indistinct].

Prabhupada: That is not the way.

Dr. Patel: Have you read it? I have read it.

Prabhupada: Even I do not... No. These are all nonsense.

Giriraja: "One who is actually deriving..." [break]

Prabhupada: That is the disease, material disease, to become lusty. So if one actually hears from the authority rasa-lila, then he is no more lusty. That is the test. That is the test.

Dr. Patel: He becomes tri-vidham narakasya… dvaram… kamaḥ krodhas tatha lobhas. This kama is always first everywhere in our scientists, I mean...

Prabhupada: Kama is the basic principle of material life. That is explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad [SB 5.5.8]: "Both men and women, they are attracted in this material world for this sex life." Mithuni-bhavam etad. Tayor mithaḥ. They are... Now, just see in this beach. They are coming all dressed, and the man is attracting woman; woman is attracting man. This is business going on here.

Dr. Patel: You are really... Oscar Wilde has written once...

Prabhupada: Yes, this is the fact. We can see it. We can see it. That's all. Everywhere the same business. In the Western world they are becoming more and more naked. You see? Mini, miniskirt.

Dr. Patel: What they call it?

Bhagavata: Streaking.

Dr. Patel: No, no, no. What is that called, costume?

Prabhupada: Yes. Topless. Topless.

Dr. Patel: Topless and bottomless.

Prabhupada: These things are going on. That means they are attracted. Attracted. Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad. They'll dress... Woman will dress very nicely so that she can attract man, and man will also do something which will, he'll attract woman. Mithuni-bhavam tayor mitha... In this way, when they are united-hrdaya-granthim ahuḥ [SB 5.5.8], a very strong knot: "Oh, you are mine. I am yours." [laughter] "You are mine. I am yours." In this way they pull on this material life. And then, gradually, "Now we must have good apartment to live and enjoy sex life." Pumsam striya mithuni-bhavam etad tayor mithaḥ hrdaya-granthim ahuḥ, tatha grha. "Now have skyscraper building." Ksetra: "Land. We must produce food grains." Tatha grha-ksetra-suta: "We must have children."

Dr. Patel: No, but according to the Taittiriya Upanisad...

Prabhupada: No, no, this is... This is the material life.

Dr. Patel: That's right. You are right.

Prabhupada: This is material... Tatha grha-ksetra-sutapta. Apta: friends. I must show: "Just see how I have got big house, nice wife, good bank balance. Come and see. And just glorify me, 'Oh, you are very successful, although you are going to be dog next life.' " This is going on. Atho grha-ksetra-sutapta-vitta janasya moho 'yam. This is illusion. This is illusion. Janasya moho 'yam aham mameti [SB 5.5.8]: "Now I am such and such big man, minister." That's all. And he's... The minister is going to be dog next life. You see? That he does not know. That he does not know. Prakrteḥ kriyamanani gunaiḥ karma... [Bg 3.27].

Dr. Patel: I don't think they should be dog, become dog. They should become hogs.

Prabhupada: Yes, dog or hog, but the same. There is no much difference. Sva-viḍ-varahostra-kharaiḥ [SB 2.3.19]. These animals have been especially mentioned. Sva means dog, and viḍ-varaha means hog. Sva viḍ-vara...

Dr. Patel: Viḍ-varaha: "dirty-eating hog." Not clean-eating.

Prabhupada: Yes. Vit. Vit means stool. Sva-viḍ-varaha-ustra. Ustra means camel, and khara means ass. So these grhamedhis, they have been described as the sva viḍ-varaha ustra khara. Bhagavata is very strong [laughs] in criticizing. Therefore in the beginning it is said, dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo atra [SB 1.1.2]: "All types of cheating religion is rejected." Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo atra. Kaitava means cheating. Sridhara Maharaja..., Sridhara Swami, he has... Paramo nirmatsaranam: "This Bhagavata is meant for paramo nirmatsaranam, those who are above this material existence, paramahamsas." Bhagavata is not meant for ordinary men.

Dr. Patel: Who can make a distinction between milk and water.

Prabhupada: Yes. No, no, means he accepts only the milk, not the water. Similarly, this whole world is mixture of spirit and matter, so he rejects matter; he takes only spirit. That is paramahamsa. Go on.

Giriraja: "Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura points out that according to Bhagavad-gita, the Brahma day and the Brahma night are periods of solar years expanding 4,300,000 multiplied by one thousand..." [break]

Prabhupada: Four, I think. This one?

Satsvarūpa: Yes, 747. Jumbo.

Prabhupada: It is 447, yes. [break]

Bhagavata: ...celebrate.

Prabhupada: The celebration is you have to fast day and night and four times offer worship to the Lord Siva.

Dr. Patel: And drink bhahg also. [other Indian men make indistinct comments]

Prabhupada: No, no, that is not recommended. But they can do... They do all now...

Bhagavata: So we should observe this festival, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Not necessarily.

Bhagavata: Not necessary. [end]