book on the orign of life
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Translation: "Learned circles have positively concluded that the infallible purpose of the advancement of knowledge, namely austerities, study of the Vedas, sacrifice, chanting of hymns and charity, culminates in the transcendental descriptions of the Lord, who is defined in choice poetry."
(More...) Satsvarupa: "Human intellect is developed for advancement of learning in art, science, philosophy, physics, chemistry, psychology, economics, politics, etc. By culture of such knowledge the human society can attain perfection of life. This perfection of life culminates in the realization of the Supreme Being, Visnu. The sruti therefore directs that those who are actually advanced in learning should aspire for the service of Lord Visnu. Unfortunately, persons who are enamored by the external beauty of visnu-maya do not understand that culmination of perfection, or self-realization, depends on Visnu. Visnu-maya means sense enjoyment, which is transient and miserable. Those who are entrapped by the visnu-maya utilize advancement of knowledge for sense enjoyment. Sri Narada Muni has explained that all paraphernalia of the cosmic universe is but an emanation from the Lord out of His different energies, because the Lord has set in motion, by His inconceivable energy, actions and reactions of the created manifestation. They have come to be out of His energy, they rest on His energy, and after annihilation they merge into Him. Nothing is, therefore, different from Him, but at the same time the Lord is always different from them.
(More...) Prabhupada: If you are scientist, you create a similar brain like you. That you cannot do. But somebody has created your brain. And who is that person? Professor Einstein, big scientist, but he could not create another Professor Einstein so that after his death the work would continue. Because the brain creator, the brain of scientist created by somebody, that is not in your hand. You cannot create another similar brain. That is not possible. But if you are surprised with the mechanical arrangement of the small watch, why you should not study the mechanical arrangement of a great scientist? But as the mechanical arrangement of the watch is made by some brain, similarly, your brain or Professor Einstein's brain, that is also made by another scientist. And who is that scientist? We are glorifying the brain of the scientist, but we are not glorifying the scientist who has made the brain of the scientist.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: That's why we title our book as The Origin of Life in Matter. We do not talk simply "life" because...
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: The title is The Origin of Life and Matter, and then there will be a subtitle called "Life is a Manifestation of Life Only."
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: "Life is a Manifestation of Life Only." I mean "Life Comes from Life."
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Then we have some tentative titles of the chapters, and the first one is "A Unique Differentiation between a Living Spirit and a Non-living Matter."
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: This will be tentatively planned to be write by me, and the second chapter is "The Eternality of the Living." That's also by me. And then the third chapter, it is called "A Look at the Natural Laws Regarding the Origin of Life and Matter." In this there are different sections. First section is "Quantum Mechanical Demonstration." That will be written by Richard Prabhu. He's a mathematician.
(More...) Prabhupada: That theory, mathematics, you presented...
(More...) Prabhupada: So it is very nice. You have dedicated to Hare Krsna. Then?
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: The second one is "Order Cannot Arise from Disorder." This will be based on mathematical arguments.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: And third one is "The Statistical Disproof of Darwin's Theory." This is on advanced mathematics. That also Richard Prabhu's duty.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: And then on fourth chapter we have a section called "False Theory," namely that life originates from matter. This will be Madhava Prabhu's...
(More...) Prabhupada: About false theory. [laughter] Very good. Very good. It will be very nice. You have all Krsna's blessing, do it nicely.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Then from fifth chapter it will be "Evolution Versus Transmigration."
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: And explanation. That will be written by me.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: And then on the sixth chapter there will be a topic called "Molecular Evolution." This will be, taking the jumbles of the scientific findings, but we use those jumbles and turn around to Krsna.
(More...) Prabhupada: Hah. Molecular evolution takes place when the life is there.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Actually when they say molecular evolution, it talks only about molecules. They don't talk about life. Because they don't know what life is.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: So they talk only about molecules. That everybody knows, that molecules are around and it's evolving. But they don't know that there is life. They take...
(More...) Prabhupada: That is their defect. That is their defect. We want to educate them on this point.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: And on the seventh chapter there is that Prabhupada's..., that theory of acintya-sakti.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: We want to present it in some sort of very good arguments, foundations are there. It will be our collective effort.
(More...) Rupanuga: There is another devotee, Jnana dasa, in Germany, who is a graduate from Oxford University, a big school. And we have invited him to come to this meeting, but he did not respond. Maybe he will come and help in the future.
(More...) Rupanuga: He has... What is his field?
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Oh, yes. His topic was classical, statistical [indistinct] proof. That was allotted to Jnana dasa Prabhu, to Germany. Rupanuga Maharaja sent a telegram, and I also personally wrote a letter saying that he should participate in writing himself[?]. He has a [indistinct] background, he told me in [indistinct].
(More...) Prabhupada: Yes, this is nice attempt. Krsna will help you. They are wiping out Krsna, and your business will be to establish Krsna. Hmm.
(More...) Prabhupada: This I want. You are nicely educated. Now by dint of your education, you prove that background is Krsna, that's all. Then your education will be perfect. Otherwise you are one of these fools and rascals, that's all. The particular type of education, mathematics, chemistry, physics, what you have learned after working so hard, now you should, by your educational..., departmental education, you prove that the background is Krsna. Then your education is perfect. That is the verse, idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va.
(More...) Prabhupada: Nature, visnu-maya, nature. They're bewildered simply by seeing the nature. Then?
(More...) Satsvarupa: "Therefore, all the sages and devotees of the Lord have recommended that the subject matter of art, science, philosophy, physics, chemistry, psychology and all other branches of knowledge should be wholly and solely applied in the service of the Lord. Art, literature, poetry, painting, etc., may be used in glorifying the Lord. The fiction writers, poets and celebrated litterateurs are generally engaged in writing of sensuous topics, but if they turn towards the service of the Lord they can describe the transcendental pastimes of the Lord. Valmiki was a great poet, and similarly Vyasadeva is a great writer, and both of them have absolutely engaged themselves in delineating the transcendental activities of the Lord, and by so doing they have become immortal. Similarly, science and philosophy also should be applied in the service of the Lord. There is no use presenting dry speculative theories for sense gratification. Philosophy and science should be engaged to establish the glory of the Lord. Advanced people are eager to understand the Absolute Truth through the medium of science, and therefore a great scientist should endeavor to prove the existence of the Lord on a scientific basis. Similarly, philosophical speculations should be utilized to establish the Supreme Truth as sentient and all-powerful. Similarly, all other branches of knowledge should always be engaged in the service of the Lord. In the Bhagavad-gita also the same is affirmed. All 'knowledge' not engaged in the service of the Lord is but nescience. Real utilization of advanced knowledge is to establish the glories of the Lord, and that is the real import. Scientific knowledge engaged in the service of the Lord and all other similar activities are all factually hari-kirtana, or glorification of the Lord."
(More...) Prabhupada: That is perfection. If you can write this book nicely, all together, it will be a great service to Krsna. And Krsna will bless you and help you.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Then in the eighth chapter there will be...
(More...) Prabhupada: Just make that Dr. Agarwal also interested.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: "Defects and Errors in Scientific Research," it will be a title, and we will find out all the mistakes that normally found in scientific research. That will be written by Madhava Prabhu.
(More...) Prabhupada: And add "and how to make it perfect." Find out the defects. Don't be, what is called...?
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: No, we want to bring the..., our four defects in our senses, in the sense perception. Then...
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Yes, there are four defects.
(More...) Prabhupada: And if you go beyond the sense perception, that is perfection.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: That will be Madhava Prabhu's duty.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Then on the ninth chapter there will be a topic, "The Ultimate Research," our own[?] research.
(More...) Prabhupada: Ultimate research is to find out the brain.
(More...) Prabhupada: That's it. Absolute. Then there is no more defect. Everything is perfect. That is stated, dhamna svena sada nirasta-kuhakam param satyam dhimahi. Nirasta-kuhakam, where there is no defect, that is vaikuntha-dhama. Dhamna svena nirasta-kuhakam param satyam dhimahi. The Absolute Truth, we offer our respectful... That is the beginning of Bhagavatam. Nirasta-kuhakam, where these defects cannot enter. Just like sunshine. In the sun, darkness cannot enter. There is no possibility of darkness going there. Is it possible? So similarly, in Krsna, krsna surya-sama maya andhakara [Cc Madhya 22.31], there is no question of defect there.
(More...) Rupanuga: [aside] Read that other ones.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Yeah, in this respect I wanted to base this on [indistinct]... that ultimate research, that brahma-jijnasa.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: That is the research topic.
(More...) Prabhupada: Hmm. Now this subject matter should be taken up seriously in the human form of life. That is the suggestion. Atha..., atha, atah, now you have got this human form of life, therefore you discuss about the Absolute Truth. Param satyam dhimahi. Yes?
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: Next one is, next chapter is "Matter Originates from Life." That Madhava dasa Prabhu's. And on the eleventh chapter there will be Rupanuga Maharaj, Prabhu's...
(More...) Prabhupada: Matter is a manifestation of life's energy. We can daily experience: the matter, hair, is growing. Cut, again growing. Why? Because there is life. Dead body, hair never grows. Is it not?
(More...) Madhava: Well, the scientists will say it's just recombination of matter.
(More...) Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, when there is body dead, no hair grows.
(More...) Prabhupada: They can use some bombastic word, but they, who is layman, we see this is the position. And you do not know how it is being done, but the energy is there in you. That is called acintya-sakti, inconceivable energy. That is there. Now you shave every morning, and next morning, again millions of hairs. You do not know how it is being happened. But it is happening, and this is called acintya-sakti. From Krsna such big, big things are coming out. Even Krsna may not know, but Krsna has got the inconceivable energy by which it is coming. The same example.
(More...) Devotee: People will speculate so many theories as to why the hairs are coming out, but then after some time they will see that theory is wrong; they'll have to present a new one.
(More...) Devotee: And until they come to understand that Krsna is pushing it, then they will never understand what's actually causing everything to grow.
(More...) Dr. Wolf-Rottkay: False ego.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: The last but one is called, entitled, "Intellectual Analagam[?], Psycho-Social Implications." That will be Rupanuga...
(More...) Rupanuga: It was their idea. In a book like this there has to be some social conclusion as to the effects of such atheistic theories.
(More...) Prabhupada: Yes, the people are being misguided. That we want to stop. They have got this human form of body, that is an opportunity to understand himself and God and act accordingly. Now they are being misled. It is a social disservice. Cheating. In the name of scientist, they are exploiting this innocent person, taking their money and spoiling it without any good result.
(More...) Rupanuga: My idea is that they are... Actually, the scientists are preaching void. They are preaching to the people...
(More...) Prabhupada: But what is the necessity of preaching void? Void is void, that's all.
(More...) Rupanuga: There's nothing to say about that. But because they're saying that, the people think that at the time of death there's nothing, so they want sense gratification. So the scientists are selling them their gadgets. They're selling them cars and things to keep them in sense gratification.
(More...) Prabhupada: We can see when a man is in coma, he cries, he suffers. Before death, when a man is coma, sometimes tears come. Now why he says there is nothing? Imperfect knowledge, that's all. Misguiding people.
(More...) Rupanuga: The last chapter's the nicest.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: The last chapter is-that Srila Prabhupada suggested-that was "The Original Idea Is Krsna."
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: That is the concluding chapter. That will be a collective effort from the...
(More...) Prabhupada: That's nice. Very good. Do it. Sincerely pray to Krsna and He will give intelligence. Now write nicely. Tesam satata-yuktanam, dadami buddhi-yogam [Bg 10.10], Krsna will give intelligence, yena mam upayanti te, "such intelligence which will help him to come back home, back to Me."
(More...) Rupanuga: If we are strong in the principles, then we will have the intelligence to write this book.
(More...) Satsvarupa: "To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me."
(More...) Rupanuga: It will take us some time.
(More...) Prabhupada: It may take, that is... But do it very nicely. How many pages will it be?
(More...) Prabhupada: That's nice. Then we shall immediately publish. What the title you have given?
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: It's called The Origin of Life and Matter. The origin of everything. When one talks about the life here in the material world, one cannot leave matter. Because the scientists, what they are doing, is the materialists taken it for granted. They do not ask who made this matter. So they've started at, "Oh, matter is already there, given by nature." So they'll take the matter and then start life. That is their conclusion. So we want to bring it that matter is also from life.
(More...) Prabhupada: No, how you'll find it? Give me. Unless you have an index list... The purport of the verse is that even Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu-He is God Himself-He felt, alone, unable to do this task. He felt. So this is the position. You are cooperating; therefore I am getting the credit. Otherwise, alone what could I do? Ekaki amara nahi paya bolo. Caitanya Mahaprabhu Himself wanted our cooperation. He is God, Krsna. And therefore cooperation is very important thing. Nobody should think that "I have got so great ability. I can do." No. It is simply by cooperation we can do very big thing. "United we stand; divided we fall." This is our... So be strong in pushing on Krsna consciousness, and Krsna will help. He is the strongest. Still, we must be combined together. Saṅkirtana. Saṅkirtana means many men combined together chanting. That is saṅkirtana. Otherwise kirtana. Saṅkirtana. Bahubhir militva kirtayati saṅkirtana. Bahu. Bahu means many; many combined together. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission: combined together. All nations, all persons, they should combine together. There is hope in our Society, combination. There are Hindus; there are Muslims; there are Christians; there are black, white. Combine them. That looks very beautiful, just like combination of many flowers. There is black flower also. It looks nice, very nice. Each and every flower take alone, it is not beautiful, but when they are combined together, it looks very beautiful. It is attractive. And that is wanted. Because from the spiritual platform we are all working. Panditah sama-darsinah [Bg 5.18].
(More...) Prabhupada: Very good. You chant Hare Krsna and be one of our members. Your son is also very good. Mother good, son good. According to our Indian estimate, son acquires the quality of mother and the daughter acquires the quality of the father.
(More...) Svarupa Damodara: We plan to have our book about five hundred pages. And we should finish it by fall. We feel it's major work. The difficult part is that establish from science, comparative study... And we have finished that. Next stage is... It's not very difficult. It's about, they call, fossil, these bones. We're going to say something about it, but that's not much. Then conclusion...
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