Talk with Lalitā Prasād – March 2, 1972, Birnagar

720302TA-BIRNAGAR [139:44 Minutes]

I purchased it from you, you purchase it from me

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] [whispers]

Prabhupada: [Bengali]

So Bhavananda is sleeping in the car?

Syamasundara: Yes he is feeling sick.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Prabhupada: [Bengali] [break]

[Whispering]

Gurudas: the United States. In 1938 cause Bhaktivinode Thakura had said that he shouldn't go. He said I tried to disobey him [indistinct] [Bengali] [break]

Syamasundara: You just got started on this?

Jayapataka: [indistinct] start already

[Conversation in the background is loud]

Syamasundara: Let's just finish.

[Bengali] [break] [Bengali]

Acyutananda: To pay off that gardeners debt.

Prabhupada: Well I have already promised him to pay on his debts but he, he said yes but he did not come. I am prepared to pay whatever his debt.

[Bengali] [faint sound] [break]

Prabhupada: Do not keep there. There is tendency for fallen down.

Syamasundara: I'll just wash my hands then I'll sit it nicely.

[Bengali] [break]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Hmm. Ah. Family.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] a religious ceremony he will have [Bengali] He can do everything.

Syamasundara: [laughs]. These are the sevites?

Lalita Prasada: Sri sevites.

Syamasundara: Sri sevites.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] has more ink bottles than anybody. [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Hm… Then there is the signature of the seven persons. Rules and regulations? Of Sri Bhaktivinode-gosthi. Constitution. Constitution this charitable religious literary association or society called Sri Bhaktivinode-gosthi is constituted and composed of seven members. Some of them paying subscription annually and others for life paying subscriptions at a time. Including the sevite of the Ulla Sri Bhaktivinode Dvaras Mandir in the municipal town of Birnagar in the district of Nadia, West Bengal and the gosthipathi of the society. All of whom will form the mem…

Prabhupada: [Bengali]

Lalita Prasada: Eh?

[Bengali conversation]

Syamasundara: All of whom will form the managing executive committee and governing body and will be eligible to become office bearers and will hold posts as 1. President and Vice president. 2. Secretary and joint or assistant secretaries. 3. Treasurer and librarian. 4. Accountant. 5. Auditor. 6. Manager. 7. Gosthipathi. 8. Sevite and his assistants to perform seva and pūja of deities at the said Mandir. And will hold any other post or posts which will be created afterwards by the committee as under the rules. Subscription of life member shall be annually 300 rupees at a time.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: The subscription for ordinary member shall be rupees one per month or rupees 12 per annum.

Prabhupada: 300 for whom?

Syamasundara: Life members.

Prabhupada: Life members.

Syamasundara: At a time.

[Bengali conversation]

Syamasundara: These members will be solely and wholly in charge of the money.

Gurudas: Who?

Syamasundara: These members.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] technical constitution. [Bengali] technical constitution… [indistinct] legal.

Syamasundara: Yeah. Legal code? Yeah. These seven members? [indistinct] says these members. That is the seven members?

Lalita Prasada: Seven members regular members. [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Yeah.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] most of members. [Bengali] [indistinct] account what has gone wrong? [laughs]

[Bengali]

Syamasundara: It sounds like our constitution.

Prabhupada: It is the same.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] [Bengali conversation] in my own mind [Bengali conversation]. 5000 invaluable. You will never [indistinct]. Kept 5000 books.

Devotee: Books.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Is the library here?

Devotee: Yes. We purchased the iron[?] here.

[Bengali conversation]

Prabhupada: …lease for development… [Bengali] We hold the lease from you.

Lalita Prasada: For how many years? Legal limit?

Prabhupada: Legal limit, so 99 years.

Lalita Prasada: 99 years.

[Bengali conversation]

Prabhupada: Bas, simple fact. Simply lease for so many years with option to revive. [Bengali]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Prabhupada: We don't want proprietorship, you give us lease.

Lalita Prasada: Lease.

Prabhupada: For 99 years. For Development that's all. [Bengali]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Prabhupada: [Bengali] Now I require massages.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Where would you like to take massage? In the sunshine?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Syamasundara: In the sun?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Massage. We will take massage.

[Bengali conversation]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] very good that you are keeping them. [laughs] I am very glad.

[Bengali conversations]

Prabhupada: You also take bath?

Devotees: Yes.

Prabhupada: [indistinct]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Gurudasa: That bathing ghat by Bhaktivinode's…

[Bengali conversation]

Devotee: Yeah, I'll show you the temple.

Gurudasa: All right.

Devotee: I'll just take you to the…

Gurudasa: You know I just did a round by the birth site. It was wonderful.

Devotee: Around of [indistinct] of beads

Gurudasa: Beads. Now I'll do some film.

[simultaneous Bengali / English conversations]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] [indistinct] home be at home. Logic. [Bengali]

Prabhupada: Be at home. Logic [Bengali]

Syamasundara: B H… be at home. Oh. [laughs]

Prabhupada: We're at home.

Syamasundara: [laughs]

Prabhupada: We are at our father's house.

[Bengali conversation] two hours [Bengali]

Prabhupada: Bas. [Bengali]

[Bengali conversation]

Syamasundara: There's a place [indistinct].

[Bengali conversation]

Bengali devotee: [reading newspaper] Russia France and Britain. [Bengali]

[break]. A tide of discussion between India and Pakistan. Russia [indistinct] France and Britain want.

[Bengali conversation] [break]

Lalita Prasada: I get sun.

Syamasundara: Sun. You will go out for some sun also? So you are leaving?

Lalita Prasada: Ah.

Syamasundara: Okay.

Lalita Prasada: I get sun... in the winter sun come, come... that way.

Syamasundara: So you will move over and sit here?

Lalita Prasada: Ah. I sit [indistinct].

Syamasundara: Ah.

[Bengali conversation]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] room.

Syamasundara: Eh?

Lalita Prasada: You're staying?

Syamasundara: We will sit there?

Lalita Prasada: Nah. [Bengali]

Bengali devotee: The room is.

Syamasundara: That's all right I don't need to go anywhere.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] another room.

Syamasundara: All right.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Okay. [laughs]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: We want to walk. Okay, all right.

Lalita Prasada: A guest.

Syamasundara: We'll go see. Thank you. [break]

Prabhupada: [Bengali conversation in the garden].

He looks like his father also.

Syamasundara: His mother appears very beautiful also in those photos.

Prabhupada: Hm.

Syamasundara: Shining face. That man is reading the newspaper to him. Every day he gets all the news.

Prabhupada: This is the system, old aristocratic.

Syamasundara: Ah.

Prabhupada: Every old man should engage a man to read the news.

Syamasundara: Oh.

Prabhupada: Spread it.

Syamasundara: On the ground?

Prabhupada: Yes. Watch the bottle. It will be dry within 10 minutes by the time I take my.

Yadubara: I shouldn't wring that should I?

Prabhupada: No, simply make this. Here that's all spread. Spread it that is sufficient. Hari-nama hari-nama. It will be dry in 10 minutes. Yes he knows, that's it.

Syamasundara: [laughs]

Yadubara: Easy way to iron.

Syamasundara: These are old temples?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Syamasundara: These are very old temples?

Prabhupada: Yes. At least 200 years.

Syamasundara: Hm. Always they have worshipped Visnu in this temple? Krsna.

Prabhupada: Formerly they used to worship goddess Kali.

Syamasundara: Is that boy some relation?

Prabhupada: No.

Syamasundara: Just a friend. Society. A good boy.

Prabhupada: I have given him the suggestion the whole thing is solved in one minute. He also agrees.

Syamasundara: Lease.

Prabhupada: Lease.

Syamasundara: 99 years.

Prabhupada: That's it.

Syamasundara: Not for proprietorship for development.

Prabhupada: What is the use of proprietorship?

Syamasundara: What do we care? [laughs] Krsna is the proprietor.

Prabhupada: 99 years, our life, your life, your grand your son's life… We have to give some service so long the body is there, otherwise what shall I do with the property? Everything will remain here.

Syamasundara: He knows that you are in a position to develop it until some.

Prabhupada: Yes, 99. So one bucket cold water and one bucket hot water and one soap.

Syamasundara: One hot and one cold.

[indistinct discussion] [break].

Prabhupada: Bhavananda is a good massager.

Syamasundara: Yes. How big is the property here? Does it extend around some distance?

Prabhupada: 20 bigas.

Syamasundara: 20 bigas, oh that is large.

Gurudasa: Has he agreed to your proposals Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Syamasundara: So should we get? Draw up some papers or?

Prabhupada: He'll do it.

Syamasundara: He'll do it. Very nice. [laughs] So before you leave India.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Syamasundara: All these things finished.

[break]. I was I always used to dream that you would take us to these places. [laughs] [break]

Prabhupada: So we require a few cars from America.

Syamasundara: Yes.

Devotee: Jeeps.

Syamasundara: I think heavy Jeeps.

Prabhupada: That is.

Syamasundara: Cars like that rough.

Devotee: Like UNICEF Jeeps.

Syamasundara: Or Land Rovers.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: That's all right. There is bathroom? No?

Syamasundara: Yes… And some more men also I think are required.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Syamasundara: [indistinct] they'll all come out.

Gurudasa: They don't want to come anyway.

[indistinct conversation]

Prabhupada: I've got enough for…[break]

Devotee (2): Jagannath Puri also.

Gurudasa: Dvarkadisa, where the boats.

Syamasundara: Where is Dvaraka dhama

Devotee: Dvaraka dhama.

Gurudasa: Dvaraka dhama when we get some amphibious Krsna conscious. Hare Krsna… [break]

Prabhupada: … And was purchased by Bhaktivinode Thakura at Rs.150.

Acyutananda: All of it?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Syamasundara: Per biga?

Prabhupada: No for the whole plot.

Acyutananda: [laughs]

Prabhupada: That was 20 bigas.

Syamasundara: In Mayapur that man from the Caitanya Math has bought 150 acres.

Acyutananda: That's about Rs.10. Less than Rs.10. [break]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] who had some excess money in hand. [break]. After producing they want cash in their hand. The capitalist will take, hold it for some time naturally the price will increase and they will sell it. That system is still going on but it is very dangerously made.

People do not bring out the commodity they simply speculate, "I purchased it from you, you purchase it from me," so the goods are there and transaction is going on. I sell to you, you sell to him, you sell and so on and people do not get the goods. There is scarcity and it is lying somewhere and the speculation is going on.

Syamasundara: Somewhere else.

Prabhupada: Yes. And because the goods are not coming the market is increasing, you see. This rogueism is going on and there are so many banks although I have no money. Suppose I want to purchase one lakh worth of grains. Somehow or other if I have Rs.20,000 the bank will give me 80,000.

So the market is increasing, I'm not selling and when it is to my full satisfaction I sell, I pay the banks money and take a large huge profit. This is going on, in every commodity. Things are not coming out it has become gold exchange. But they will sell just at the beginning of the next season.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Prabhupada: Otherwise they will be put into knots. [break]

Syamasundara: No, no as long as you are here I'm not afraid.

Prabhupada: Ah, the population has decreased.

Syamasundara: They have driven them away. Or killed them.

Prabhupada: When there is… Just like you do not go to the forest [indistinct] infested with many animals. Similarly they also do not come to the human society and the bigger population.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Prabhupada: This is the safe, bhayam dvitiyabhinivesataḥ syad [SB 11.2.37], for forgetting Krsna all the living entities they are afraid of one another.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Prabhupada: That's all. They have forgotten that Krsna is the center he is our father. So there is no fear but that they have forgotten. Now, isad apetasya viparyayo 'smrtiḥ, they have forgotten that we are brothers. Therefore fight, we have got equal rights to enjoy the father's property but no, I am taking more you are starving. And this is going on. Krsna consciousness will solve all these questions.

If everyone has got the right to enjoy father's property why one should take more? This is the best idea of communism, these things are there in Bhagavata. Bhagavata says whatever is there in the sky, whatever there is on the land and whatever there is on the water they belong to the Supreme Lord. So every living entity has the right to enjoy it as it is allotted by the Lord. This is Bhagavata's contribution.

Syamasundara: Hm. In other words if a man is born a King he is allowed to enjoy like a King?

Prabhupada: Yes King is to manage these affairs.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Prabhupada: If everything is property of God, you are all sons of God. So King's business is to see that nobody is encroaching upon other's property. Nobody is fighting and he equally distributes the produce, that is the king's duty. He has to see that whether brahmanas are executing their duty, ksatriya's, vaisyas according to their division, this is King's duty. To make him Krsna conscious but King is simply interested with the tax. No education, so-called King, and the king is finished, now the people have taken in the name of people's government but it is an oligarch.

It is for the interests of a few men and all of them rogues and thieves just like Gandhi started indigenous manufacture. Buy sell car, by manufacturing one's own cloth, now that became a show and the government started big big factories owned by capitalists. So Britishers were taking one rupee and eight annas per pair and they are now taking twenty-one rupees eight annas. Twenty times increase, government does not say anything because they are getting tax in different ways, excise tax, sales tax, income tax and the tax is distributed amongst the government servants. People do not get any benefit.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Prabhupada: 20% of the tax collected, they distribute for the people's welfare and 80% divided, divided by the governors, rajputies, secretaries and government servants-this is the position. One side the capitalist is exploiting and the government is taking tax from them and the government means a few men they are enjoying, that's it. This is all over the world I can see, and they want that the people should be engaged in fighting in the name of nationalism and they will enjoy that's all.

They have no good idea for the betterment of the position of the citizens. What we are doing every government should have done it-Krsna consciousness but the rascals they simply plunder the citizens and enjoy. Wine women and flesh-this is the position. [break] [indistinct], they are mlecchas and taking the dress of the king, killing the whole world. [break].

[Bengali conversation]

LalitaPrasada: [Bengali].

12 lakhs and all under the [indistinct] and putting a temple on that land only to get rid of it. 30 bigas to get the site, your site[?].

Prabhupada: [indistinct] it start by...

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Prabhupada: Otherwise there is meeting 4 o'clock?

Syamasundara: Not today.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Syamasundara: Not today tomorrow.

Prabhupada: Not tomorrow. The press reporter?

Syamasundara: Oh is there a press meeting?

Gurudasa: I don't know.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Syamasundara: Oh.

Prabhupada: The press reporters from Navadvipa will come.

Syamasundara: Hmm.

Prabhupada: After four. So we must reach there by five, it will take 2 ½ hours. So by half past two we must get out.

Lalita Prasada: Half past two [Bengali].

Prabhupada: Let us...

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Prabhupada: [Bengali] prasadam ready.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali].

Syamasundara: So at about 2 o'clock I will begin working on the car and try to make that horn work.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Without horn, not possible?

Syamasundara: No, well we can do that again. [laughs]

Prabhupada: What's wrong with that?

Syamasundara: It's dangerous.

Lalita Prasada: Bell, ringing a bell.

Syamasundara: Dinner plate.

Lalita Prasada: Bell. Hanging bell [Bengali].

Syamasundara: No Prabhupada's plate. You know plate? Brass plate.

Lalita Prasada: Bell. Bell we use that.

Syamasundara: Oh Yeah [laughs].

Lalita Prasada: Bell. Ding dong bell.

Syamasundara: [laughs]

Gurudasa: [laughs] Hare Krsna. [Japa]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] [break]

[plays a part of Prabhupada's recording Bengali conversation]. Sideways, side view [Bengali].

Syamasundara: Only from the side?

Lalita Prasada: All the back.

Syamasundara: Only from the side?

Lalita Prasada: On the back.

Syamasundara: Ah.

Lalita Prasada: This side.

Syamasundara: Left side?

Lalita Prasada: Left side. [indistinct] for me heavy.

Syamasundara: Ah. Ah... No eyeglasses?

Lalita Prasada: Eyeglasses [Bengali] use, coming cataract.

Syamasundara: Ah.

Lalita Prasada: Full of cataract.

Syamasundara: Ah.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] This side I can see.

Syamasundara: Ah... One eye is better than no. A one-eyed uncle is better than no uncle.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] this eye I had no view [Bengali]. I want a doctor to test my eye. Well life is shortened that way. Life is shortened.

Devotees: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: If I operate with the cataract life will be shortened.

Gurudasa: Oh yes, yes.

Lalita Prasada: The affect on the whole system.

Gurudasa: Yes, yes that's a fact.

Lalita Prasada: And even if I live for 100 years [indistinct] have to die 40 years ago. [indistinct]… Any operation lessens the longevity of life.

Gurudasa: Yes yes.

Gurudasa: Longevity of life. Because then something else has to replace that…

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] you are no young men [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: The [indistinct] are diminished. Diminished.

Syamasundara: Hm… But when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out?

Lalita Prasada: Beg your pardon?

Syamasundara: You said that when you are speaking on religious subjects then your strength comes out.

Lalita Prasada: Yes, yes. On religious, I don't see any difficulty. A sense of ploy from heaven. God sends His, I don't know. [Bengali]. So that it is possible to sing the name of God and know what is holy.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: They're fond of maya.

Gurudasa: Servants of maya.

Lalita Prasada: The illusory energy, I call. Illusory energy. Illusion.

Gurudasa: Yes illusion.

Lalita Prasada: Illusory energy is mayas shakti, [indistinct], illusionary. Have you bed? Bedding?

Syamasundara: Bedding? Yes they are in Mayapur.

Lalita Prasada: In Mayapur only?

Syamasundara: In our camp.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] another morning at the Ganges

[Gong sounds]

Syamasundara: Yes we go bathing there.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] 400 years ago [Bengali] jan-nagar[?] straight to the north.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Prabhupada: Up to Gandhinagar.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: From jan-nagar[?] And at Ganga[?] it tries to. Took turn and then it came towards south. Towards East and then it goes a bit further [indistinct] 500 years ago [indistinct] time when Mayapur was discovered again, Thakura's expressed[?] But again that was stopped and the course has taken another way. By… Other side [indistinct] how the Ganges has shifted from one side to another… [indistinct] out 20 miles…Ganges shifted.

Syamasundara: Hm. 20 miles?

Lalita Prasada: Yes [indistinct] Ganges, at Mayapur and 12 lakhs of people on the [indistinct] where you are now building this thing.

Syamasundara: Hm? 12 lakhs?

Lalita Prasada: 12 lakhs. Now [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Biggest temple in Bengal. We are rising.

Lalita Prasada: That will be.

Syamasundara: Yes. One of the biggest in India.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct]… will be glad.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: Longest. Longest.

Syamasundara: Eh? Tallest.

Lalita Prasada: Longest.

Syamasundara: Yeah.

Lalita Prasada: 200 feet in Bengal there is no [indistinct]. Jagannath temple near [indistinct] Jagannath Puri that is 108 feet high.

Syamasundara: 180?

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct]… Here, here 150 .

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: You know this?

Gurudasa: Yes in Orissa.

Lalita Prasada: Orissa.

Syamasundara: In San Francisco California we have New Jagannath Puri.

Lalita Prasada: Oh yes.

Syamasundara: In San Francisco.

Lalita Prasada: In San Francisco.

Syamasundara: And we have every year a big Ratha-yatra.

Lalita Prasada: Yes flyer I've seen.

Syamasundara: You've seen picture?

Lalita Prasada: I've seen a picture.

Syamasundara: [laughs] And in London also Ratha-yatra.

Lalita Prasada: Very good. In London her Majesty should join the Ratha. I think I have a picture.

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] Candra eh?

Syamasundara: I think we have now six temples in England.

Lalita Prasada: Six?

Syamasundara: Six temples in England.

Lalita Prasada: One in eh?

Syamasundara: London, Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff,

Lalita Prasada: Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff?

Syamasundara: Yes,

Gurudasa: Edinburg.

Syamasundara: Edinburgh.

Lalita Prasada: Edinburgh?

Syamasundara: Scotland and Dublin.

Lalita Prasada: Edinburgh, Dublin?

Syamasundara: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: Ireland and Scotland.

Syamasundara: Yes Ireland and Scotland.

Gurudasa: [Sings along with kirtana in background] bhaja bhakata-vatsala sri-gaurahari.

Lalita Prasada: Ah. In London there are two classes of men. One [indistinct] in Ireland. Irish in England?

Syamasundara: In London?

Lalita Prasada: Ireland.

Syamasundara: Ireland. Ah.

Lalita Prasada: Ireland is independent?

Syamasundara: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: Not under the British rule?

Syamasundara: No. British have lost their rule everywhere.

Lalita Prasada: Yes everywhere yes Americans have [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Because they are taking to Krsna consciousness they will be saved, America.

Lalita Prasada: Eh?

Syamasundara: America is now taking to Krsna consciousness.

Lalita Prasada: In New York?

Syamasundara: Everywhere. America is taking to this Hare Krsna chanting.

Lalita Prasada: Simple.

Syamasundara: Simple.

Lalita Prasada: America [indistinct]

Syamasundara: No. Yes.

Lalita Prasada: In all the states?

Syamasundara: All the big cities.

Lalita Prasada: All the states?

Syamasundara: over 60 temples in America. Established by Srila Prabhupada.

Lalita Prasada: In the States, where the states? [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Yes. Every big city, one big big temple.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] the pūja is?

Syamasundara: Throughout the day.

Lalita Prasada: All through eh?

Syamasundara: All through, starting. Mahgala-arati starts at 4 o'clock. mahgala-arati, mahgala-arati 4 o'clock.

Lalita Prasada: 4 o'clock.

Syamasundara: Morning.

Lalita Prasada: Morning.

Syamasundara: Going up to sundara-arati at 9 o'clock at night. And throughout the day at least 10, 12 arati. 10 or 12 times, prasadam is offered, arati.

Lalita Prasada: Bhog bhog.

Syamasundara: Bhog.

Lalita Prasada: Bhog. [Bengali conversation]

Gurudasa: Hare Krsna [indistinct]

[Bengali conversation, someone has asked for mrdahga]

[Bengali conversation with Srila Prabhupada]

Syamasundara: You don't eat?

Lalita Prasada: By the grace of God. Get some milk [indistinct] five years… They are bhaktas they can approach to Godhead. [Bengali] [Bengali conversations] they are like monkeys.

Syamasundara: Monkeys?

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] are like monkeys. [laughs]

[Bengali Prabhupada and others]

Prabhupada: Let us go… call them.

Syamasundara: We are going now?

Prabhupada: No. Then later.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] take lunch?

Syamasundara: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] somebody.

Syamasundara: Oh yes there is one boy he has jaundice. One boy.

Lalita Prasada: Take fruit juice?

Syamasundara: Only fruits, fruits, that's all. I think he takes.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] that is the difficulty.

Syamasundara: At this time of year?

Lalita Prasada: Ah. [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Ah. [laughs]

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] you go.

Syamasundara: All right. [Microphone being moved]

Lalita Prasada: …break it, very costly.

Syamasundara: About Rs.1000.

Lalita Prasada: Eh?

Syamasundara: Rs.1000

Lalita Prasada: 1000, Oh! You can [indistinct] bad work there is.

Syamasundara: Eh? Where?

Lalita Prasada: Bad work

[referring to bad workmanship in the house and advising to beware]

Syamasundara: Bad work. Ah.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] the money.

Syamasundara: But on good work, nothing. About one rupee.

[Bengali conversation]

Syamasundara: [Moving stuff]. I will. I would like to bring my wife and child everybody in… Well maybe? How long it takes by train to come here? How long by train to come here?

Lalita Prasada: Ah. Two hours.

Prabhupada: Two hours by train from Mayapur, from Navadvipa?

Lalita Prasada: Navadvipa. [indistinct] 20 minutes.

Syamasundara: 20 minutes?

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] is five minutes. 10 miles from this place.

Syamasundara: From here to Navadvipa?

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Krsna-nagar? Ah.

Lalita Prasada: Krsna-nagar [indistinct].

Syamasundara: Ah. I see in total 18 miles. Yeah.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] straight.

Syamasundara: Okay. Yeah.

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] not long distance [indistinct].

Syamasundara: So from here there is train direct to Krsna-nagar.

Lalita Prasada: If you go [indistinct].

Syamasundara: Yeah straight.

Lalita Prasada: Straight, you make a straight line.

Syamasundara: Yeah [laughs]

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] [Bengali conversation]

Syamasundara: Okay we will go.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation]

[Kirtana in background]

[Bengali conversation]

Syamasundara: Hare Krsna.

Lalita Prasada: Hare Krsna [indistinct] what you want somebody comes?

Syamasundara: Eh?

Lalita Prasada: You want [indistinct] comes?

Syamasundara: Yes.

[Bengali conversations and silence for 5 mins] [break]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali] Nehru [break]

Gurudasa: Passport?

Lalita Prasada: Passport... In all the world.

Gurudasa: In what year?

Lalita Prasada: 38.

Gurudasa: 38. Oh!

Lalita Prasada: When I retired from service.

Gurudasa: Ah.

Lalita Prasada: Just I asked my officer to give me passport.

Gurudasa: Oh.

Lalita Prasada: It took me only five minutes.

Gurudasa: Five minutes?

Lalita Prasada: Jawaharlal Nehru gave me a passport.

Gurudasa: Oh.

Lalita Prasada: He took 5 minutes, I offer you, six, there was six also to get passport and I only got it within two minutes, five minutes. The passport officer there Adleston[?] in charge, he was astonished, "how could he issue?" But you're officer is my officer.

Gurudasa: [laughs]

Lalita Prasada: Hear[?] that everywhere, Oh. And he came [indistinct] to get the passport to a seat[?] [indistinct]

Syamasundara: Jaya.

Lalita Prasada: That passport is still with me. Little things [indistinct] I couldn't go very early.

Gurudasa: Oh.

Lalita Prasada: My health is bad.

Gurudasa: Oh.

Lalita Prasada: I present you Gods position [laughs] I got ill... sick.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: So I haven't done that. Because my father that Bhaktivinode told me, "you do not go out of India."

Gurudasa: Oh he told you?

Lalita Prasada: Still I could go [indistinct]

Gurudasa: Oh still that is… then got ill.

Lalita Prasada: Yes and his wish [indistinct] so I got a little.

Gurudasa: Oh.

Lalita Prasada: I couldn't move.

Gurudasa: Haribol.

Lalita Prasada: Bhaktivinode's wish how can I disobey?

Gurudasa: Yes. Impossible.

Lalita Prasada: Though I tried to do it. But.

Gurudasa: Impossible.

Lalita Prasada: And his wish is on him.

Gurudasa: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: And they have come then above you[?].

Gurudasa: Yes, yes…

Lalita Prasada: [indistinct] I rented, I rented just as... but [break] I rented, I rented but in Bengali.

[speaking French] je ne sais pas [indistinct]

Gurudasa: Oh.

Lalita Prasada: He very glad to see me. A number of years ago [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Ah.

Lalita Prasada: Mahgala [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [Bengali] [break]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversations with Prabhupada].

Prabhupada: Give me water, cold water.

Lalita Prasada: Cold water. Ah. Ho! Holiya! Holi!

Holi: [indistinct]

Lalita Prasada: Cold water. [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Cold water?

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada].

Gurudasa: You also photographed that poster?

Lalita Prasada: Eh?

Gurudasa: You also photographed that portrait?

Lalita Prasada: Fo…?

Gurudasa: That famous photo.

Lalita Prasada: Photo?

Gurudasa: You photograph that one?

Lalita Prasada: You like [indistinct]

Gurudasa: Acha, that one is famous all around the world.

Lalita Prasada: All over the world.

Gurudasa: All over the world.

Lalita Prasada: That was done by me, originally. You saw in the album?

Gurudasa: Yes.

Lalita Prasada: That was very [indistinct]

Gurudasa: But this one especially.

Yadubara: He has this on the album also.

Gurudasa: It is very famous…

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada]

Gurudasa: You can ask Srila Prabhupada [indistinct]

Yadubara: Srila Prabhupada?

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada].

Yadubara: Srila Prabhupada would you like to have a photo with Lalita Prasada?

Lalita Prasada: [laughs].

Prabhupada: Ah. Yes.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada].

Prabhupada: [indistinct] …sit down here. No.

Yadubara: I don't think he can move very well.

Prabhupada: No he cannot move, I can move.

Yadubara: Yeah.

Prabhupada: Where shall I sit?

Yadubara: It would be best if he could turn. I'm not sure if he can do that, and you could sit here.

Prabhupada: I will sit down here.

Yadubara: Yeah, you could sit on the chair here.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Yadubara: And if he can turn a little, I can take the photo from there.

Prabhupada: [Bengali]. Mystical?

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Yadubara: We'll do a candid and a portrait, also.

Gurudasa: Hare Krsna.

Yadubara: Lalita Prasada, can you look this way?

Prabhupada: [Bengali]. You should always address him "Thakura Maharaja."

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada]

Yadubara: Very nice. Thank you very much.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada].

Prabhupada: The car is ready or not?

Gurudasa: I think Syamasundara is just finishing fixing.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada].

Gurudasa: Syamasundara prabhu!

Yadubara: Syamasundara how long will it be?

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Syamasundara: Five more minutes.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada]

Yadubara: He says five more minutes.

Prabhupada: Hm.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Yadubara: No no. [laughs]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada].

Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja and Lalita Prasada Thakura both are from the very beginning strict brahmacaris.

Gurudasa: Ohh!

Syamasundara: [Outside] Try it now.

Lalita Prasada: Age of six I was disgusted with making [indistinct].

Gurudasa: Oh.

Prabhupada: That means from the past life you were a…

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada and others].

Prabhupada: Finished?

Syamasundara: No. I need one small piece of wire. I wondered…

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada]

Syamasundara: Electric wire about this long.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversations with Prabhupada and others]

Syamasundara: [laughs] He's got everything.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversations with Prabhupada and others] Krsna-nagar. You have come here.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Lalita Prasada: There you will turn and come here [Bengali].10 miles.

Prabhupada: And the road? [Bengali]

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversation with Prabhupada and others]. 15 miles [indistinct] one hour [Bengali conversations with Prabhupada and others, whispers to Prabhupada].

Prabhupada: Where is Bhavananda?

Yadubara: He is sleeping.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali]

Yadubara: I think he is a little bit sick.

Lalita Prasada: [Bengali conversations with Prabhupada and others, whispers to Prabhupada] [end]