Room Conversation – September 29, 1972, Los Angeles

720929R1-Los Angeles [09:10 Minutes]

This is called tit-for-tat

Prabhupada: [Bengali]

Svarūpa Damodara: Eh?

Prabhupada: [Bengali]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Bengali]

Prabhupada: Oh simply warning?

Svarūpa Damodara: Just warning.

Prabhupada: Ah acha. hirud tinak die vidya vidya high tine tine tak, hirud tinak die vidya vidya high tine tine tak, hirud tinak die vidya vidya high tine tine tak.[?] [door opens]

Pradyumna: Srila Prabhupada something about the tickets. We have those around the world tickets, we have round the world tickets and those tickets have a certain amount of. Have an itinerary. The itinerary is that we go from.

Prabhupada: That you understand, I cannot remember.

Pradyumna: Well eh, there's just one thing, that Karandhara wanted me to ask about. That the tickets are going to be ah, $1900 apiece.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Pradyumna: And Karandhara just wanted you to know that the money is coming out of the book fund.

Prabhupada: Yes. Ask Karandhara to see me. Yes… That is the... Called tactics. If the teachers are rascals themselves then there won't be any fight. There should be [indistinct]. You know the tigers in the circus?

Karandhara: Yes. They pull out the whip but they never hit the tiger.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Karandhara: They never hit the tiger.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Karandhara: They just crack the whip.

Prabhupada: The tiger is so afraid simply by seeing that-he shuddered. Summarily it is not used. Simply in the hand. That is tactic. So if a tiger can be trained in that way, an animal, a ferocious animal and they cannot train the children? It needs a good teacher[?] Children will cry they will fight but you have to create. Teachers [indistinct] [LOUD] TAK! TAK! TAK! Immediately they stop.

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs]

Prabhupada: I have seen it… In our childhood I remember two teachers, we were so afraid we would going 50 miles away to avoid.

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs]

Prabhupada: It is [indistinct] even though [indistinct]. "What is Bhagavan doing he has had so many accidents." It was going in the [indistinct] immediately transferred. He created such an atmosphere simply by seeing, all the children cried.

Svarūpa Damodara: Even in the [indistinct] we have some afraid-some type of fearness with the professors also [indistinct] we don't have any.

Prabhupada: Well that is required or deviance is the first form…

[Long pause]

So you have, recording department has not paid me.

Karandhara: Not paid?

Prabhupada: Not paid and so what is that?

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs]

Krsna-kanti: I mean about the credit?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Krsna-kanti: Yes its royalties. We pay from the records that sold.

Prabhupada: And when it will be sold?

Krsna-kanti: Well the first record will be ready in about a week.

Karandhara: They are bringing it [indistinct] did they get more work done on it?

Krsna-kanti: Yes [indistinct].

Prabhupada: There was, there was a contract between a teacher and his students, law students. So the students says, "Sir I have no money I shall pay you when I practical." [indistinct] so he says, "all right." So after learning the law, so he was not going to the court… [indistinct]

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs]

Prabhupada: [laughs] So this proposal is like that.

Svarūpa Damodara: [laughs]

Prabhupada: Making recording, there is no sales, [indistinct] there is no sales, so when there is sales I'll pay [indistinct]

Krsna-kanti: It is common standard practice in the recording...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Krsna-kanti: So when the sale is made the artist.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Krsna-kanti: Artist don't usually get paid [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Artist do not get paid?

Krsna-kanti: No.

Karandhara: Sometimes they get advancement but goes against our future development. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Oh yes. So you can practice it. Then the teacher did one practice he found a suitable criminal.

Karandhara: He [indistinct] in the court.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Karandhara: He [indistinct] in the court.

Prabhupada: Yes. So.

Karandhara: No respect for him.

Prabhupada: He wanted defense to rebel so then he said finally, "my Lord either you let him pay you know now he is practising." This is called tit-for-tat.

Karandhara: Tit for tat?

Prabhupada: [indistinct] Tit-for-tat. The student was also clever but the teacher was also more clever. All right.

[Devotee's leave offering their obeisances]

Prabhupada: turn it off?

Devotee: No it's [indistinct]… [end]