Room Conversation – October 18, 1977, Vṛndāvana

Conveyance

Tamala Krsna: ...would that be all right? Of course, first they're going to finish this gate. Should I go and see it tomorrow?

Prabhupada: Not...

Tamala Krsna: Just inquire? [aside:] You can keep chanting.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Tamala Krsna: I just told them to keep chanting.

Prabhupada: You did not read that conveyance?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, I did today. There's some things we have to get clarified.

Prabhupada: What is that?

Tamala Krsna: Well, first of all a conveyance is drawn up according to the sales agreement. So without seeing the sales agreement, it's very hard to know if everything is accurate. The sales agreement is kept with the Central Bank of India in Calcutta. So we're...

Prabhupada: Do not copy?

Tamala Krsna: No, we had never made a copy. So I think the easiest thing would be to give Jayapataka Maharaja a letter of authority. He'll get the agreement, and even right in the bank or else at the temple in Calcutta he can make a copy and send us a copy and redeposit the original with the bank. And that's one point. Then another point is that the land on which the building was erected doesn't actually belong to Mr. Patodiya. It belonged to a Bengali gentleman, and in fact it's not owned by Mr. Patodiya. It's leased for ninety-nine years, of which eighty-five years still remain. So this conveyance more or less... It appears that every guarantee is only given for the duration of that lease-another eighty-five years. So the obvious question is what happens after that eighty-five years? Of course, a lawyer, a solicitor, can tell us this very easily, but I'm thinking that it might be helpful that when Jayapataka is sending us the copy of the sale agreement he may also get a copy for Mr. Patodiya of that lease agreement which Mr. Patodiya has with the Bengali gentleman, so that we can see what the position is after eighty-five years. Giriraja and I were studying it pretty closely. So what we're going to probably do is we'll give the copy of the conveyance draft to one of our Life Member lawyers, friends, you know, friends in Delhi, and in the meantime, while he's looking at it, we'll get the necessary documents from Calcutta. Then we'll settle it up. Not difficult.

Prabhupada: There are other? Other occupants?

Tamala Krsna: There are other occupants? I don't follow your question, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: As we have taken...

Tamala Krsna: ...others have also taken. Yes. But we can find out what they're doing. Should Jayapataka do these things? I think he is the proper person, not Satadhanya. Jayapataka is more experienced with these kind of things, legal works. In any case, we're dealing with it. Then there's also the issue of who is responsible for paying the various corporation taxes and things like that.

Prabhupada: The occupier.

Tamala Krsna: The occupier. Not the owner, not Patodiya. We are responsible.

Prabhupada: As other occupier.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I mean I was just going to say, what's really required is for Jayapataka just to meet the..., one or two of the association people, people who occupy there, and just find out how they are doing. I discussed this already with Giriraja. The main thing is that we have to have a copy of the sale agreement so that we can see that the terms of the conveyance agree with the terms of the sale agreement. That's the biggest issue.

[kirtana] [break]

Upendra: Prabhupada? Pisima's nephew has come.

Prabhupada: Visvambhara?

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Hmm. Vrndavana asked for some money as a loan.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. I see.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anyway he is struggling with a Business.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. I see.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I want to give it to him.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You send a Telegram and bring him here.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Okay.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. I have made the arrangement. You are here,they are here, I will have it done.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. This is my decision.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Okay. Yes. I will do accordingly.]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Visvambhara: [Transl. I am sending him a Telegram and I also, I have to go back, I am going back after two days. Mother will stay here.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anyway I have arranged for them.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. That I will, I am sending the Telegram. And after reaching Calcutta. Before coming here I tried to convince them to come.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It will be nice if it's done in your presence. Just to know exactly what arrangements I have made. This is my point.Is there any difficulty?]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Today is…To get the Telegram and come here may be possible in two days. Let us see what happens.]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Visvambhara: [Transl. Today is Tuesday, no?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today is Wednesday.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes, Wednesday.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anyway he is struggling, that's why.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes I know. That publishing company.]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Visvambhara: [Transl. That is very good. Before coming here I told Madan, they were not at home.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Visvambhara: [Transl. When I informed them before coming, none of them were at home.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Who?]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Vrndavana. I think he went out for work. That's why I told Madan to inform me about their plan.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He was not at home, so where was he?]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Perhaps he went out for work. May be he went to his office.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Does he have a shop?]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes, he has got a shop.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. He was not at home, everything was closed?]

Visvambhara: [Transl. They told me at home that he will return at 10.30 at night. I thought I will send my mother with him. That's why I booked two tickets.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Anyway somehow make some arrangement and bring him here. My condition is critical. Whatever arrangement I have made, you all understand it correctly. The papers which were given by your second elder brother that is kept in everyone's name five thousand ruppes per head. But they are not doing anything. So if all that money is given then he can immediately get about fifty thousand rupees. Apart from that I have kept one lakh rupees for each person.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Very good arrangement.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is very good that you have come here by the will of the Lord.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Me and mother also became very sad.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. In the presence of all of you, so that they may not say-our father has not given us anything though he has got so much. He has taken your mother's money.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Yes.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. So see what you can do.]

Visvambhara: [Transl. Alright.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Go now.] [break]

Dr. G. Ghosh: [Transl. I was inquring from outside.Here I come.] He had his morning Complan?

Bhakti-caru: No, not as yet.

Dr. G. Ghosh: [Transl. Did he have it last night? Or this morning?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. He only drank Pomegranate juice in the morning.]

Dr. G. Ghosh: [Transl. Pomeogranate juice and Complan?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Complan he…]

Bhavananda: Preparing.

Dr. G. Ghosh: Preparing. [Transl. That is good.] His pulse has definitely improved, and the swelling too has come down. [break]

Bhavananda: Now you're resting nicely? Not.

[break] I think that you...

[break] Because up until then you were taking some small amount of solid food.

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